U.S. Presidential Election #5

[Thestarider]

 

[MrBox]

 

 

[MrBox]

 

[MrBox]

 

[itsme]

 

[ww_watcher]

On 10/16/2016 at 5:57 AM, MrBox said:

How can you call Obama an asshole and praise Trump? After all what  I've seen, Obama has done much good for the U.S.. He repaired a lot of the errors done by little Bush and strengthened the economic power after the banking crisis. 

 

You haven't seen diddly squat Mr B. You are as blind and ignorant as you can be.

When Obama moved into the WH we were only in three conflicts world-wide; now we are in >10 involving several Eastern European countries, most of the middle east, and most of north Africa; and we are on the edge of a third world war. He has even enabled an enemy to gain nuclear weapons tech. Also since then Civil rights movement has been set back 50 years, our Bill of Rights is under a concerted attack like never before, we've had one ambassador assassinated in Libya because he was going to blow the whistle on the arms deal between the US State department and certain tribes in Yemen and Boko Haram in Nigeria (missing $8M USD went to this group). Tension, between the police and the black community, is at an all time high, mostly instigated by the worst kind of entitlement issues ever supplied. Our US Financial Deficit has tripled, our border has become a sieve -with big holes-, education has gotten worse, good paying jobs have all but disappeared, Christianity, which just happens to be the best source of the right way to treat others, is all but destroyed in America, health care got even more expensive at the expense of those who are having to foot the bill for those who can't (which I can accept) or don't (which I can't) pay their own way in life and if you can't afford it you get fined by the IRS for more than you would have had to pay in the first place -but couldn't afford it. We have a record number of illegals coming in to the US for nefarious reasons (i.e. not looking to support their families). Forced acceptance of Islam as a religion of peace and the abandonment of moral statutes as well as the family unit; which, I might add, is the thing most needed in the Black community to heal itself. The list is long and distinguished. 

He has repaired nothing but he has found an incredible number of gullible people like you to toot his horn.

[MrBox]

 

[ww_watcher]

On 10/16/2016 at 8:32 AM, MrBox said:

I Agree. Trump dug his own Grave. Now he has to lie in it.   

I Disagree. There is a exterm difference between the two:

• You seem to underestimated the danger Trump represents (a comparison with school kids makes no sense). In particular his increasingly frequent statements about the correctness of the vote make me wonder, if he want to accept his loss.
• Clinton is a very average politician. She may not be the perfect canidate for the job that could be found, but in the current election she is the only sensible choice. She will make at least an average job and may even be a very good president (like Obama).

You have done no homework, you ignore history, and the depths of your ignorance of common knowledge is unfathomable. The Clinton's have left a trail of death and mayhem so obvious that Helen Keller could have picked up on it. Obama's legacy to the American People is the near destruction of America - from the inside. Obama has taken credit for things he didn't even do. It is common knowledge whether you think so or not, but, since you seem to think you know no much, answer me a question. How did President Obama actually earn his Nobel Peace prize? Keep in mind that, up to the time he received the award he had not actually accomplished anything as President, and he has been asked to return it by the Norwegian Nobel Prize Committee since they believe it was awarded by mistake and for mere wishful thinking. I challenge you not to post anything else until you can answer that question...and be able to prove it.

[MrBox]

 

[albacore]

5 minutes ago, ww_watcher said:

You have done no homework, you ignore history, and the depths of your ignorance of common knowledge is unfathomable. The Clinton's have left a trail of death and mayhem so obvious that Helen Keller could have picked up on it. Obama's legacy to the American People is the near destruction of America - from the inside. Obama has taken credit for things he didn't even do. It is common knowledge whether you think so or not, but, since you seem to think you know no much, answer me a question. How did President Obama actually earn his Nobel Peace prize? Keep in mind that, up to the time he received the award he had not actually accomplished anything as President, and he has been asked to return it by the Norwegian Nobel Prize Committee since they believe it was awarded by mistake and for mere wishful thinking. I challenge you not to post anything else until you can answer that question...and be able to prove it.

I believe you are right in what you say. Clinton has a trail of wrong doing and illegal activities that the world ignores to justify their delusion of her.  People who live in the US see things differently than those who live in parts of Europe or other parts of the world for that matter.  Arguing with someone living in Germany about what the perceptions are and the reality we know living in this country vs their knowledge gained by media spin is really worthless.  I stopped that long ago here.  People who don't live here really are clueless and dependent on the media for data.  The problem is the media is influencing the race for Clinton.  If someone lived here it is more obvious.

But I will say that a disturbing trend is Trumps negatives vs Clintons with American voters. His are much higher.  Not that hers are not high, but his are around 50% from latest polling. I feel that he may not be able to overcome that.  Generally what he says I agree with.  And many other people do too.  But how or the way he says it appears to be the problem.  Also the way the media portrays the sound bite is not really fair.  If he can not fix the negative perception in the next couple of weeks I don't see how he can win.   He is in politics and when in that business you do have to play the game a little anyway.  He just doesn't want (or can't) for some reason.  

Having Clinton as President would not be good in my opinion.  But to be honest it is looking like she may get away with all of her bad and still get in because her delivery is more political, less bombastic, and less "in your face".  Sad actually.

[ww_watcher]

When I said Obama takes credit for things he didn't do, (nor was his leadership responsible for it) I give, as an example of this, when he announced to the American People he had taken out Osama bin Laden. It was allegedly done by SEAL Team 6 under the direction of JSOC. It was just one task on a list of things to accomplish that day. No proof was ever given other than a grainy photo of ObL while he was sick. He was given a burial at sea? Why? And why is all but one of that team dead except for the one touting the deed?

[ww_watcher]

3 minutes ago, albacore said:

I believe you are right in what you say. Clinton has a trail of wrong doing and illegal activities that the world ignores to justify their delusion of her.  People who live in the US see things differently than those who live in parts of Europe or other parts of the world for that matter.  Arguing with someone living in Germany about what the perceptions are and the reality we know living in this country vs their knowledge gained by media spin is really worthless.  I stopped that long ago here.  People who don't live here really are clueless and dependent on the media for data.  The problem is the media is influencing the race for Clinton.  If someone lived here it is more obvious.

But I will say that a disturbing trend is Trumps negatives vs Clintons with American voters. His are much higher.  Not that hers are not high, but his are around 50% from latest polling. I feel that he may not be able to overcome that.  Generally what he says I agree with.  And many other people do too.  But how or the way he says it appears to be the problem.  Also the way the media portrays the sound bite is not really fair.  If he can not fix the negative perception in the next couple of weeks I don't see how he can win.   He is in politics and when in that business you do have to play the game a little anyway.  He just doesn't want (or can't) for some reason.  

Having Clinton as President would not be good in my opinion.  But to be honest it is looking like she may get away with all of her bad and still get in because her delivery is more political, less bombastic, and less "in your face".  Sad actually.

Yeah, you're right. Kalevipoeg seems to think through what he says and isn't far off even working with info that was terribly filtered by the media. Maturin has also made some good points, but Mr Box frustrates me. So I will take you advice and ignore the brick wall.