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Who's going to win the U.S. presidential election? 

Current delegate count:

Republicans: 

  • Trump: 756
  • Cruz: 559
  • Kasich: 144

1,237 needed to win 

Democrats: 

  • Clinton: 1758
  • Sanders: 1076

2,382 needed to win

 

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23 minutes ago, itsme said:

Who's going to win the U.S. presidential election? 

Current delegate count:

Republicans: 

  • Trump: 756
  • Cruz: 559
  • Kasich: 144

1,237 needed to win 

Democrats: 

  • Clinton: 1758
  • Sanders: 1076

2,382 needed to win

 

Does America really need the Clintons back in the White House.  Hillary will make sure the useless Wars they are involved in keep going. She'll Bankrupt America.

Trump has some good ideas and they aren't about War.

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15 hours ago, StnCld316 said:

Does America really need the Clintons back in the White House.  Hillary will make sure the useless Wars they are involved in keep going. She'll Bankrupt America.

Trump has some good ideas and they aren't about War.

I must have slept through the 2000s.  I could swear that it was GW Bush who started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, cut taxes to eliminate the Clinton budget surplus, and put those major war costs on the U.S. credit card.  How clever it was of Clinton to do all that when he was out of office.

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15 hours ago, StnCld316 said:

Does America really need the Clintons back in the White House.  Hillary will make sure the useless Wars they are involved in keep going. She'll Bankrupt America.

Trump has some good ideas and they aren't about War.

It's interesting to look at who's buying Trump's wild and frequently changing positions. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/27/donald-trumps-surge-is-heavily-reliant-on-less-educated-americans-heres-why/

I hate to sound like a snob (or maybe I don't care how you view me) but just about all of my friends (both liberal and conservative) have at least college degrees and NOT ONE sees Trump as anything but a dangerous egomaniac.

 

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2 minutes ago, eagleb1 said:

I must have slept through the 2000s.  I could swear that it was GW Bush who started the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, cut taxes to eliminate the Clinton budget surplus, and put those major war costs on the U.S. credit card.  How clever it was of Clinton to do all that when he was out of office.

GW started them but the others seem to want to keep them going for some reason. Obama I don't know how much he has wasted on this Syria Conflict but it is likely another Trillion or more added to the Debt.

This 9/11 thing was a farce from the get go. I still believe it was an inside job.  But when Governments speak everyone is just supposed to sit back and keep quiet  and take their word as the Truth. Even though most know the 9/11 commission drafted together a pack of lies to protect the Administration.

If by chance Hilary does become President ole Bill will still be pulling most of the strings as her Brain isn't functioning 100%. Of course neither is his.

The only left Major left to happen is to have the Global Monetary System Collapse and throw the world into the Greatest Depression ever. Just about every citizen will get Raped for everything they worked and strived for excluding the Rich Bastards. The Rich will keep getting Richer  and the Middle Class down to the Poor Folks will all suffer.  Those Ration Coupons and Tokens are not far off.

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41 minutes ago, eagleb1 said:

It's interesting to look at who's buying Trump's wild and frequently changing positions. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/27/donald-trumps-surge-is-heavily-reliant-on-less-educated-americans-heres-why/

I hate to sound like a snob (or maybe I don't care how you view me) but just about all of my friends (both liberal and conservative) have at least college degrees and NOT ONE sees Trump as anything but a dangerous egomaniac.

 

You don't sound like one to me.  Everyone has their own views of the situation.  Trumps ego does get the best of him at times it goes along with part of being Rich.  If by chance he does become President he'll have 4 years to prove himself. He can't be any worse that what's currently in place.

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1 hour ago, StnCld316 said:

You don't sound like one to me.  Everyone has their own views of the situation.  Trumps ego does get the best of him at times it goes along with part of being Rich.  If by chance he does become President he'll have 4 years to prove himself. He can't be any worse that what's currently in place.

I certainly won't be around to see it (I'm 80) but history will judge Obama high on the list of effective presidents.  How can anyone ignore what he has accomplished despite the opposition of the Republicans to anything he proposed even if it was their idea previously?  I'll not bother to list what he has done despite the opposition since you seem to have made up your mind.

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4 hours ago, eagleb1 said:

I hate to sound like a snob (or maybe I don't care how you view me) but just about all of my friends (both liberal and conservative) have at least college degrees and NOT ONE sees Trump as anything but a dangerous egomaniac.

 

In my opinion they are ALL egomaniacs or they would not be running for President.  As for dangerous .... that is relative.  I see Hillary and Sanders also dangerous but in different ways than you see Trump.  Not that I am a big Trump guy at all.  Actually I don't really like any of them.  But Hillary and Sanders ..... nah.

I agree with TGB - I also can't find anything that Obama has not that is positive if you really look at it.

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3 hours ago, TBG 150 said:

I still to this day want to know what he accomplished that was a positive for the USA?

You've got to be kidding.  You could Google "obamas top 50 accomplishments"..

Or, I'll save you the trouble http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/magazine/march_april_2012/features/obamas_top_50_accomplishments035755.php?page=all

Were you living in the U.S. in 2009?

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The problem with making a judgement on Obama is that you have to recognize the American President is the leader of the free world. He is not just the President of the USA. As the only super power left in the free world the USA has to take the lead and with leadership comes rewards but also losses. In recent times with the Middle East on fire (let's put aside who set it on fire - Bush/Blair!!!) the US has had to enter wars they didn't want to enter and suffer loss of life far greater than a western country can accept in the 21st century.

That being said Obama has failed miserably. Far from leading the free world he has stepped back from leadership. He has crucially created a vacuum that allowed ISIS to grow and prosper. The devastation of the Middle East is there for everyone to see. The consequent refugee crisis is now destabilizing the continent of Europe and could lead to the break up of the EU (actually that would be a great thing but I digress!!). ISIS has developed a terror network that is now a great threat to Western Civilization. Avoiding conflict at all costs and claiming to be a friend of Islam rather than exercising assertive leadership has shown the US is no longer prepared to fight evil unless it directly on US soil. 

So on the basis of world leadership Obama has been less than useless. Obama is a cool dude who can sing as well as move like a dancer. He has a sensitive soul and is wonderfully idealistic but such appealing traits do not necessarily work well in a leadership position. 

Obama has done nothing to reduce the US debt (I do wonder if anyone in the US is any longer prepared to even attempt to reduce the debt. What the hell, just increase the debt ceiling each year and let our kids pay the interest!).

Obamacare is idealistic but is it affordable?

Business taxes pushing major companies out of the US? Well keep on taxing!

Guns are a terrible thing, especially in the hands of low life and mentally unstable individuals but if we take guns away from the good guys then maybe the bad guys will volunteer to hand in their guns too! 

Iran trying to develop nuclear weapons? Well if we are nice to them, they might stop (or pretend to!).

Cuba is a dictatorship and wedded to communism but they have great beaches so lets just get along!

The UK is our best friend in the world but my Dad was treated badly by them so I'll tell the world that France is our real best friend and tell the Brits to stay a member of a corrupt and undemocratic Federalist superstate regardless of the cost to the one country who has backed the US since the child kicked out the mother (country!). 

Obama has certainly tried to change the world (well at least the US position in it - why does everyone hate us!) but as an outsider I have to conclude that despite charisma oozing from every pore and idealism beaming brightly he has failed, failed and failed again.

God help the world if God doesn't help the USA.  The US needs to work out what it wants to be in the 21st century. The world leader ready to do what is right, the ultimate capitalist country to stay the richest in the world or an insular country set to take the socialist route to low productivity, reduced incomes and higher taxes!

 

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I stand with Van on this one.

God bless America, and God save the Queen. (Sorry Van, I needed to say that; I'm not paying for her. I'm paying for Michelle instead.)

And yes, the US election process is convoluted. I'm Libertarian so I'm ignored, but that might change. Four more years of this Marxist shit and we Americans will get seriously pissed off. We don't do socialism well, any more that most people in the world handle democracy or republics. Excuse me now, I must investigate changing my health care provider for the fifth time or I will be fined by the US Government or incarcerated. Have a nice day.

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1 hour ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said:

I stand with Van on this one.

God bless America, and God save the Queen. (Sorry Van, I needed to say that; I'm not paying for her. I'm paying for Michelle instead.)

And yes, the US election process is convoluted. I'm Libertarian so I'm ignored, but that might change. Four more years of this Marxist shit and we Americans will get seriously pissed off. We don't do socialism well, any more that most people in the world handle democracy or republic. Excuse me now, I must investigate changed by health care provider for the fifth time or I will be fined by the US Government or incarcerated. Have a nice day.

You guys have it more rough than we do in Canada.  In Canada we have Free Health Care for anyone who makes $35,000 or less per year. If you make $35,001 to $48,000 then your Health Care Premium is $450 for the year. If you make $48,001 to $72,000 then you pay a $600 Premium for the year. If you make $72,001 to $200,000 then your Premium is $750 for the year  and if you make over $200,000 then you pay a $900 Premium for the year. These Premiums are collected when they file their Income Taxes so there is no Monthly Premiums to pay. The Tax Rate for over $200,000 is 53%  and 200,000 or less is Taxed at a Rate of 37%.

All Canadians 19 years of age and older are subsidized with Monthly Credits deposited to our Bank Accounts.  The Trillium Benefit which is paid is to offset the cost of what is Paid for Energy and that Credit is $54 a Month from the Provincial Government and then we get a G.S.T.(Goods & Services Tax) Credit from the Federal Government every 3 Months for $75 to offset the cost of what we pay for Sales Tax on our purchases. Any Citizen over the age of 65 gets $110 for the Trillium Benefit Monthly and $130 for the G.S.T Every 3 Months. Then we get a yearly cheque for $50 to replace Light Bulbs in the Home. Child Tax Credit for kids up to 18 years of age is $400 a month per child to a maximum of 5 kids. Home Owners over 65 get $500 Yearly from the Federal Government to help pay their Property Taxes. Plus there are plenty of Loop Holes in the System if you can find them you can get all kinds of Free Money from the Government and never be taxed on it. Canada's current Debt is about $700B  so it doesn't even come near the Trillions the USA Debt has.

Our Elected Officials don't go through the same process. We don't have Primaries and have to get X Number of Delegates.  Each of the Five Parties here has a Leader and the Leader is the one to run for Prime Minister so there is a lot less hassle.

No wonder People are trying to come to Canada.

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That's some pretty progressive taxation in Canada and an excellent socialist welfare system there StnCld, in a country that is consistently remarked to be one of the most stable, affluent and desirable places to live.  No wonder people are trying to come to Canada, I imagine a great many of those people are those Americans who are able to distinguish between democratic socialism and communism/marxism - which really isn't hard to do at all, just take a look at Canada! :D

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