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2 hours ago, Thestarider said:

Food for thought

 

I urge you to read two books by Richard Dawkins   ---- "The God Delusion"  and "The Blind Watchmaker."  Yes, it's hard to imagine that everything we are is due to evolution but it's also hard to imagine the vastness of the universe and time since the first single cell life somehow came into being.

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So the logic behind this argument is because a book can't make itself, therefore a higher power created all of existence? This is supposed to be food for thought? 

Show me the evidence that someone created existence. Otherwise this is nothing but speculative trash as all arguments in favor for religion tend to be.

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I'm actually a God believer! 2 reasons. 1) I believe the universe really exists and had to be created by an outside force. In other words we didn't pop out of nothing. If we were created there must be a creator. 2) If there is a creator, it must be good and care about its creation otherwise, there would be no point to anything. In other words nothing would matter at all, we would just be folly entertainment to an evil doer. I won’t believe that otherwise I’d just do risky things until I died. So I think there is a God and I think it is good and it cares about us and how it turns out. The trick after that is trying to figure out what God wants of us. I say us, because everything besides us humans has no concept of the future and only operate on instinct. Ok, then I surmise that there are 2 kinds of people in the world, the decent and the indecent. I think God wants us to do our best to be decent people. I mean indecent people are not going to support the creation, they would work to dismantle or destroy the creation of at the very least be indifferent. Either way, useless and pointless and destructive to the creation. I believe God expects us to create utopia on earth. So, there you have it, the reason I believe in God. It's rather basic, but it does require a few leaps of faith. Since I need to believe that all of this matters, I'm a God believer. I will say this though I don’t believe in God because I have some hope of eternal life. If it happens that’s fine, if it doesn’t happen that’s fine with me too. Feel free to disagree or think I'm out of my mind if you like. ❤️

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On 10/24/2017 at 10:34 PM, miscvoyeur said:

So the logic behind this argument is because a book can't make itself, therefore a higher power created all of existence? This is supposed to be food for thought? 

Show me the evidence that someone created existence. Otherwise this is nothing but speculative trash as all arguments in favor for religion tend to be.

I give you your side and your belief, if you can scientifically explain one small thing to me, that I can't seem to understand, nor can the science community. What starts the heart beating in a fetus ? What makes that little organ pump it's very first beat ? a lot of speculation involved here, just no scientific facts, as no one seems to have been able to figure it out.

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10 hours ago, Thestarider said:

I give you your side and your belief, if you can scientifically explain one small thing to me, that I can't seem to understand, nor can the science community. What starts the heart beating in a fetus ? What makes that little organ pump it's very first beat ? a lot of speculation involved here, just no scientific facts, as no one seems to have been able to figure it out.

First of all, evolutionists have a pretty good idea --- read some books.

Second, even if you don't understand  it, why do you attribute it a mythical source created by primitive man who didn't  understand things we find pretty clear now.

Believe what you want but don't use it to affect my life or expect me to pay to support it.

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Whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things. Sin begins in the mind. You don’t even have to do anything or act out in any way to sin. It comes so easily and naturally to us that we don’t even realize that it is happening most of the time. We tend to let our minds wonder about, thinking about whatever it wishes. It tends to be a safe place for our favorite sin, we hide it away in the inner most parts of our mind where no one can find it and no one knows about it. It’s the perfect hiding spot for the porn magazines and movies or memories of past sexual partners. Reliving and re-experiencing the past, pondering and meditating till your heart’s content, all the while everyone else remains oblivious to your sexual fantasies playing out in your mind while you work, eat, watch tv, talk to your friends or even while having sex with your own partner. The mind is a powerful thing, it is a wonderful tool but it can be a dangerous snare. God’s standard is so high for his law that no one can keep them, this statement alone is so heavy in my own heart that I am ashamed at just how often I offend God with my thoughts. It is no wonder it is written, “For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." War, Religion, Science is Evil's way to confuse all who believes with their minds. The Heart is all God sees... Peace! :angel:

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On 10/24/2017 at 11:35 PM, Amy3 said:

I'm actually a God believer! 2 reasons. 1) I believe the universe really exists and had to be created by an outside force. In other words we didn't pop out of nothing. If we were created there must be a creator. 2) If there is a creator, it must be good and care about its creation otherwise, there would be no point to anything. In other words nothing would matter at all, we would just be folly entertainment to an evil doer. I won’t believe that otherwise I’d just do risky things until I died. So I think there is a God and I think it is good and it cares about us and how it turns out. The trick after that is trying to figure out what God wants of us. I say us, because everything besides us humans has no concept of the future and only operate on instinct. Ok, then I surmise that there are 2 kinds of people in the world, the decent and the indecent. I think God wants us to do our best to be decent people. I mean indecent people are not going to support the creation, they would work to dismantle or destroy the creation of at the very least be indifferent. Either way, useless and pointless and destructive to the creation. I believe God expects us to create utopia on earth. So, there you have it, the reason I believe in God. It's rather basic, but it does require a few leaps of faith. Since I need to believe that all of this matters, I'm a God believer. I will say this though I don’t believe in God because I have some hope of eternal life. If it happens that’s fine, if it doesn’t happen that’s fine with me too. Feel free to disagree or think I'm out of my mind if you like. ❤️

Amy i can't believe people are so naive & ignorant to think that we came from a one cell protozoan & evolved into monkeys ?? Why didn't all the monkeys become human ?? Why are we the only mammals to have a higher understanding of knowledge ?? why didn't the other animals that according to science also came from a one cell protozoan didn't develop like us !!!

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2 hours ago, SPYING 1 said:

Amy i can't believe people are so naive & ignorant to think that we came from a one cell protozoan & evolved into monkeys ?? Why didn't all the monkeys become human ?? Why are we the only mammals to have a higher understanding of knowledge ?? why didn't the other animals that according to science also came from a one cell protozoan didn't develop like us !!!

We are ignorant?  Read a freaking book if you want to know the answer to your naive questions.

As I said before, I recommend books by Richard Dawkins. You should start with "The Blind Watchmaker" and "The God Delusion."  If you have questions after that, we'll try to help you.

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Some people believe in creation simply because that’s what they’ve been taught at church. Many people believe in evolution simply because that’s what they’ve been taught at school.The more I studied science, the less credible evolution seemed. For example, I thought about the mathematical precision in nature and the uniqueness of humans, including our need to know who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. Evolution aims to explain all these things in terms associated with animals, but it has never been able to explain why humans are unique. To me, it takes more ‘faith’ to believe in evolution than to believe in a Creator. When people say that they don’t believe in God, sometimes what they really mean is that they don’t understand God. Rather than offer evidence to support their view, they raise questions such as, “If God exists, why does he allow suffering?” In effect, they turn an intellectual issue into an emotional one. Humans have a “spiritual need.” This includes a need to believe in God. So if someone says there is no God, that person, not you has the responsibility to explain how he or she could reach such a conclusion. Belief in God is entirely reasonable. It conforms to the proven fact that life cannot come into existence by itself. No evidence exists to support the idea that life could spontaneously come from nonliving matter. Like I said, stop thinking with your minds, for the mind is poison. When someone’s self-image or social acceptance is at stake, badgering them with facts isn’t likely to change their minds, that's why I believe in the Big Bang Theory. GOD said it, and BANG it happened...:cool:

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22 minutes ago, ipiratemedia said:

Some people believe in creation simply because that’s what they’ve been taught at church. Many people believe in evolution simply because that’s what they’ve been taught at school.The more I studied science, the less credible evolution seemed. For example, I thought about the mathematical precision in nature and the uniqueness of humans, including our need to know who we are, where we came from, and where we are going. Evolution aims to explain all these things in terms associated with animals, but it has never been able to explain why humans are unique. To me, it takes more ‘faith’ to believe in evolution than to believe in a Creator. When people say that they don’t believe in God, sometimes what they really mean is that they don’t understand God. Rather than offer evidence to support their view, they raise questions such as, “If God exists, why does he allow suffering?” In effect, they turn an intellectual issue into an emotional one. Humans have a “spiritual need.” This includes a need to believe in God. So if someone says there is no God, that person, not you has the responsibility to explain how he or she could reach such a conclusion. Belief in God is entirely reasonable. It conforms to the proven fact that life cannot come into existence by itself. No evidence exists to support the idea that life could spontaneously come from nonliving matter. Like I said, stop thinking with your minds, for the mind is poison. When someone’s self-image or social acceptance is at stake, badgering them with facts isn’t likely to change their minds, that's why I believe in the Big Bang Theory. GOD said it, and BANG it happened...:cool:

The Human is only so unique, because it thinks it is unique. We assume we are the only ones with thoughts, who question our own lives or can speak. Thats because we are not able to fully understand other animals. Except we already know there are some animals who are labeled as intelligent and with a proven self awareness. Why shouldnt they also ask themselves who they are, where they came from and where they will go? In fact: we don't know. Yet we assume they won't, because they're animals and we are humans. And humans are special. Mostly because we killed all other species, that were evolutionary at a certain level, like the neanderthals or several other pre-human races. 

The spiritual need of humans comes from the fear, that everything in life is random. We came from nothing and we will go back to nothing. No sense, no afterlife. Not quite a happy future and the reason to fear death. Since our minds are not able to fully understand the universe, our planet and ourselves, religion in any form is some kind of excuse, some kind of easing. It makes up some reason (different based on religion) and some goal, wether its honor, rebirth, luck or some kind of heaven/hell thing. And it gives the believe, that there is something or someone able to fully understand and control the universe. And if we can't, this has to be some kind of god or gods.

I by myself am strictly against every kind of religion, especially the religions that came out of the jewism, because they're not even made up for good reasons, but to control people in foreign regions. But i do believe, that there is some greater power, maybe some kind of god or many gods. A Power, that gives a shit about everything regarding individual species, but keeps an eye on the whole. Some power, that kills humans, because they'Äre a damn virus, destroying their own planet and erase other species for no reason. Because, if there is a god, like monoisms see it, why should he only be there for humans, caring only for them and support them? If there is a god, humans have to be its biggest enemy.

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The only way to find out is after we pass there is either a whole different World we Enter or it's just Complete Darkness Buried in a 4 Foot Hole in the Ground.

No matter which way it goes, I'm getting Cremated. It will be my only chance to leave this World with a Smoking Hot Body.  :biggrin:

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The only way to sensibly discuss the difference between science and religion is if both parties have an understanding about both subjects. Religionists prove time and time again that they are unable and unwilling to grasp the rudiments of the scientific method or basic logic, and regularly come out with things such as, "OK then, so explain why if there are humans then we still have monkeys, you can't, hah, God and I win again! Fuck your "evolution!"

There is literally nothing you can do to argue with someone who serenely states that the evidence and data in front of them is not real and that they believe the narrative of a 2,000 year old tribal myth put together by vicious barbarians in order to justify the genocide they were carrying out in that region at the time.

Religionists can believe whatever they want, so long as their beliefs do not cause harm, hardship or suffering to others. When this happens then the belief systems underlying their negative actions must be treated as an illness and these people should be removed of any influence and power invested in them.

I don't believe in God, not just because there is no evidence to justify a belief in God but for two other main reasons;

1) The people that most vociferously claim that they are doing God's will are generally downright nasty bastards that will definitely be waiting behind until that camel passes through the eye of a needle before they get into heaven - see Presidents, Prime Ministers, Kings, Queens, Jihadists, Evangelical Snake Oil preachers, The pedophiles in the Catholic Church, the Crusaders etc etc.

2) There is literally no point in giving God any credit for the good things we see about us unless blame is also apportioned to the all seeing, all powerful being for the bad shit too.  In which case, fuck God in all his incarnations. What a capricious, jealous and immature little prick that guy must be.

The universe, reality, is an awesome place full of majesty, wonder and mystery that we are only just starting to understand clearly. And it might well be that our current understanding is a dead end and in 40 years some new scientific or mathematical apparatus will give us a much clearer picture of how we came to be here and what makes everything tick.  That's how science works - it uses the best tools available at the time to improve our understanding of reality and also improve our existence within it - it is entirely down to science that we are having this conversation now, if it was left up to God then we would still be living in caves or wandering the savannah totally at risk to the elements, disease and predators.

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On 01/11/2017 at 1:10 AM, eagleb1 said:

We are ignorant?  Read a freaking book if you want to know the answer to your naive questions.

As I said before, I recommend books by Richard Dawkins. You should start with "The Blind Watchmaker" and "The God Delusion."  If you have questions after that, we'll try to help you.

You have warned me multiple times about trying to rationalise with this individual :biggrin: We know he won't read those books even though you've given him the best advice he's probably ever recevied.  I'm just waiting for one of them to say, "Hang on, I have read it and in my opinion Professor Richard Dawkins, FRS, FRSL, emeritus fellow of New College, Oxford, is talking a load of horse shit."

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On 11/2/2017 at 8:59 AM, Oeemmm said:

The Human is only so unique, because it thinks it is unique. We assume we are the only ones with thoughts, who question our own lives or can speak. That's because we are not able to fully understand other animals. Except we already know there are some animals who are labeled as intelligent and with a proven self awareness. Why shouldn't they also ask themselves who they are, where they came from and where they will go? In fact: we don't know. Yet we assume they won't, because they're animals and we are humans. And humans are special. Mostly because we killed all other species, that were evolutionary at a certain level, like the neanderthals or several other pre-human races. 

The spiritual need of humans comes from the fear, that everything in life is random. We came from nothing and we will go back to nothing. No sense, no afterlife. Not quite a happy future and the reason to fear death. Since our minds are not able to fully understand the universe, our planet and ourselves, religion in any form is some kind of excuse, some kind of easing. It makes up some reason (different based on religion) and some goal, whether its honor, rebirth, luck or some kind of heaven/hell thing. And it gives the believe, that there is something or someone able to fully understand and control the universe. And if we can't, this has to be some kind of god or gods.

I by myself am strictly against every kind of religion, especially the religions that came out of the jewish, because they're not even made up for good reasons, but to control people in foreign regions. But i do believe, that there is some greater power, maybe some kind of god or many gods. A Power, that gives a shit about everything regarding individual species, but keeps an eye on the whole. Some power, that kills humans, because they'Äre a damn virus, destroying their own planet and erase other species for no reason. Because, if there is a god, like monisms see it, why should he only be there for humans, caring only for them and support them? If there is a god, humans have to be its biggest enemy.

This world we live in, has been and will always be the DEVIL'S playground. The day we were born, was a miracle in itself, and the day we know the difference between right and wrong is the day we are ALL judged. The problem is we are all spiritually blind to the truth because we have used our minds to justify, fabricate, others beliefs. Why? because I'm a Dallas Cowboy fan. Simplicity at it's best. What is the truth? what do I believe in, or what should I believe in? Does anyone believe in the Devil? Lucifer, AKA - SATAN. He is the one who creates all the chaos in this world of constant confusion. The Wars, Religion, Science, etc. Without knowing the attributes of your enemy, how will you defend against him? You can not just ignore him as though he were not real, for he is definitely real, every bit as real as GOD Himself. Satan is a fallen angel. Prior to his fall, Satan was known as Lucifer. The name Lucifer means “star of the morning” and “shining one”. Lucifer was God’s chief cherub angel. A cherub angel is God’s highest ranking angel. There are only three cherub angels named in it's entire Gabriel, Michael, and Lucifer. Cherub angels hold the responsibility to protect the holiness of God. They possess indescribable beauty and power beyond anything the human mind can conceive. "LET ME REPEAT MYSELF," "beyond anything the human mind can conceive. Lucifer is described as being full of wisdom, perfect in beauty, full of talent, and near to God. Unfortunately, this highest ranking angel of God fell. He sinned against God and was, therefore, cast out of the presence of the Lord for eternity. Satan is a person. As stated above, Satan is a fallen angel. Angel’s possess personality, intelligence, will, and emotion. Satan has all of the properties of personality, he has the ability to plan, communicate, and make choices for us. He is held accountable for all of his actions by God.

All his names. Lucifer, this is Satan’s name prior to his fall, it means “star of the morning” and “shining one”. Wish I already stated. 

Satan. This name simply means adversary. An adversary is an opponent, rival, or enemy. (No need to Google)

The devil. This name means slanderer. A slanderer is someone who makes a false, malicious statement, especially one which is injurious to one’s reputation. "Wow" is that an attribute or what?

The prince of the power of the air. This refers to Satan as he dominates his worldly human subjects, MEANING WE. 

The god of this age. This is simply a reference to Satan, revealing his rule over the present darkness of this world. (It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us.)

The king of death. This means that Satan has the power of death. THE POWER OF DEATH!!!!!

The prince of this world. This means that Satan is the ruler of this world. (NOT WE)

The ruler of darkness. This name reveals Satan’s rule, authority, and COSMIC power over the present darkness of this world. 

Leviathan. This name is a description of a powerful Dragon-like creature. (Like the one in your dreams))

This is another name used for Satan, the accuser, the deceiver. This name reveals Satan as one who lies to trick or mislead us to believe what he wants us to believe. (Remember, "beyond anything the human mind can conceive.)

Apollyon. This name means a destroyer. A destroyer is someone who causes damage beyond use or repair. ( The Broken Heart, Like Mine!) 

13. Beelzebub. This name for Satan means “the lord of flies,” or “the lord of dung,” or “the dung-god.” (They made her a Star of a Movie, to create FEAR)

Belial. This name is the personification of all that is evil. (A personification is a form of figurative language in which something that is not human is given human characteristics. 

The wicked one. This name reveals that Satan is evil or mischievous by nature. ( I HATE YOU!)

The Tempter. This name reveals that Satan does provoke to cause people to do wrong. ( "oops")

The accuser of the brothers. This means Satan charges or places blame or fault as followers of God.

An angel of light. This name reveals Satan as a deceiver. (Not Again)

A liar. This name reveals that Satan intentionally gives false information. (Religion, Evolution, Etc.)

A murderer. This name reveals that Satan deliberately kills. (Babies, Animals, and Humans)

The enemy. This name reveals that Satan is hostile, feels hatred, opposes the interests of, and intends to hurt God Himself. (Like Us)

And lastly, a roaring Lion. This name describes Satan’s destructive threat. ( What it's the world like today?)

Satan is a fallen angel and angels are spirits. A spirit is an immaterial being. "Like all other angels, Satan is very limited spatially; he can only be at one place at a time. He is not omnipresent like God. Like angels, it is possible for Satan to materialize in human form. (Possession). Satan will never die, he is immortal. This is another characteristic of angels that Satan possesses. Therefore there is nothing that you as a believer or Non- believer can do to destroy him. God created him as an immortal being.

Ponder this, if Satan displayed himself by openly showing his true character than it would be obvious for all to stay away. Instead, he makes himself look as though he portrays good attributes in order to lure you in, therefore, he imitates both God and the Church, Science, and other things. I believe that this is why you see so many heretical religious groups because Satan has imitated God and led the religious group into the worship and following of a made up God. Thus they are in the hands of Satan and not God. 

I don't expect everyone to heed my words, but it's the truth. No man or anything non-human is going to make a Monkey out of me. I planted the Seed, it's up to you to water it, and pray, that God will make it grow. Peace! :cool:

 


 

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