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Here my UK friends can discuss the impending clamp-down on their subject's Internet freedom. It's not as bad as Russia, but such restrictions always increase, on the grounds that it's good for the "body politic."

Orwell predicted cameras EVERYWHERE, but obviously no one in England reads the work of their own authors. Personally, on a visit there in 2003, the place was splattered with cameras and I found it creepy. (Fast forward, they're all over the US now, too.) Our TVs are still not licensed, which would cause massive rebellion here.

If some kind cousins from across the pond would like to explain to the rest of the world what the hell their Almighty Socialist Government is doing, please do it here and don't be afraid to discuss it freely in this thread. Do it while you still can. I fear some of our beloved UK members may decide to refrain from giving their government such access to personal information, and will drop away from us unless they use a proxy service. 😥

 

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1 hour ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said:

If some kind cousins from across the pond would like to explain to the rest of the world what the hell their Almighty Socialist Government is doing, please do it here and don't be afraid to discuss it freely in this thread. Do it while you still can. I fear some of our beloved UK members may decide to refrain from giving their government such access to personal information, and will drop away from us unless they use a proxy service. 😥

 

From what i can gather the only restriction being suggested is that users will have to prove that they are 18 and over.

Whats getting our intelligent politicians in a spin is the best way to do this whether it be by credit card, driving licence or whatever means. But as i understand it you will only have to do it once then you will be free to roam where ever you like. Personally i would not have many resevations in doing this ( i think credit card is probably pushing it a bit though) as after all everybody bar the man in the fucking moon seems to know my email address and is able to send me crap all the time lool. To be on the voting register you have needed to give some fucker the neccessay information already so much of it is already out there anyway flying around in the atmoshere somewhere lol.

Suppose one other way is to use a VPN thus bypassing the UK system entirely. Anyway we shall wait and see what the powers that be come up with eventually i reckon.

By the way @Foamy T. Squirrel where have you got the idea that we have a Socialist Government, yes they are crap up to a point but certainly not socialist. That lot are in opposition with Wurzil Gummage and his crack team ( a bit of an exageration lol) leading it. Though crack is rather a relevent word recently as most of them now it seems have experimented with in one form or another in past years according to their own revelations.

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On 7/16/2019 at 4:09 PM, Foamy T. Squirrel said:

If some kind cousins from across the pond would like to explain to the rest of the world what the hell their Almighty Socialist Government is doing, please do it here and don't be afraid to discuss it freely in this thread. Do it while you still can. I fear some of our beloved UK members may decide to refrain from giving their government such access to personal information, and will drop away from us unless they use a proxy service. 😥

Sorry Foamy, we have a Conservative Government (Trump would fit in very well with them!) at the moment. As regards Internet restrictions, It does not appear to be too intrusive and there are always ways around it!

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2 hours ago, jjkopite said:

Sorry Foamy, we have a Conservative Government (Trump would fit in well with them!) at the moment. As regards Internet restrictions, It does not appear to be too intrusive and there are always ways around it!

Quite agree with you pal,their main concern is stopping young teens and under from being corrupted at a young age which I must agree with in all honesty. They aren't going after perverts like us 😁😁😁

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12 minutes ago, TBG 150 said:

I would bet the 10 year olds know more than I do around here. And I've been around the block a lot more than once in my lifetime.  There? IDK!

Very true no doubt but no one would admit to that lool

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4 hours ago, Robwin said:

 

From what i can gather the only restriction being suggested is that users will have to prove that they are 18 and over.

Whats getting our intelligent politicians in a spin is the best way to do this whether it be by credit card, driving licence or whatever means. But as i understand it you will only have to do it once then you will be free to roam where ever you like. Personally i would not have many resevations in doing this ( i think credit card is probably pushing it a bit though) as after all everybody bar the man in the fucking moon seems to know my email address and is able to send me crap all the time lool. To be on the voting register you have needed to give some fucker the neccessay information already so much of it is already out there anyway flying around in the atmoshere somewhere lol.

Suppose one other way is to use a VPN thus bypassing the UK system entirely. Anyway we shall wait and see what the powers that be come up with eventually i reckon.

By the way @Foamy T. Squirrel where have you got the idea that we have a Socialist Government, yes they are crap up to a point but certainly not socialist. That lot are in opposition with Wurzil Gummage and his crack team ( a bit of an exageration lol) leading it. Though crack is rather a relevent word recently as most of them now it seems have experimented with in one form or another in past years according to their own revelations.

They need another Margaret Thatcher.  She brought the Unions down on their knees.  Everyone else going forward has not had the Testicular Fortitude to try what she had accomplished.  

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1 hour ago, StnCld316 said:

They need another Margaret Thatcher.  She brought the Unions down on their knees.  Everyone else going forward has not had the Testicular Fortitude to try what she had accomplished.  

That bitch(Thatcher)will never be forgiven North of Hadrian's Wall.When the rating system on property was to be replaced by a Poll tax/council tax system she didn't have the guts to use any of the home counties(South of england/London area for fear of upsetting all the wealthy contributors living in these well to do areas who supported her.Oh no she and her cohorts that knew fuck all about Scotland decided that we would be the testing ground for this new system.Were we asked ,no chance .That arrogant cow imposed it on us whether we liked it or not.I'm sorry Stone but bringing the unions to their knees was nothing to be proud of and as for what she accomplished well that my friend is definitely a matter of opinion.For the record I am not a Communist or a Fascist.I am a Scot who wishes Scotland to be Independent so being Labour or Conservative(never)doesn't really enter into my politics.Rant over

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28 minutes ago, Dave 27 said:

That bitch(Thatcher)will never be forgiven North of Hadrian's Wall.When the rating system on property was to be replaced by a Poll tax/council tax system she didn't have the guts to use any of the home counties(South of england/London area for fear of upsetting all the wealthy contributors living in these well to do areas who supported her.Oh no she and her cohorts that knew fuck all about Scotland decided that we would be the testing ground for this new system.Were we asked ,no chance .That arrogant cow imposed it on us whether we liked it or not.I'm sorry Stone but bringing the unions to their knees was nothing to be proud of and as for what she accomplished well that my friend is definitely a matter of opinion.For the record I am not a Communist or a Fascist.I am a Scot who wishes Scotland to be Independent so being Labour or Conservative(never)doesn't really enter into my politics.Rant over

No Politician has a Clean Track Record just look at Trump in the US tells everyone he's a Genius when he's really an Asshole who won't admit it. 

She must have done some good as she was Re-Elected a couple of times to be UK's PM for 11+ Years.

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1 hour ago, Dave 27 said:

That bitch(Thatcher)will never be forgiven North of Hadrian's Wall.When the rating system on property was to be replaced by a Poll tax/council tax system she didn't have the guts to use any of the home counties(South of england/London area for fear of upsetting all the wealthy contributors living in these well to do areas who supported her.Oh no she and her cohorts that knew fuck all about Scotland decided that we would be the testing ground for this new system.Were we asked ,no chance .That arrogant cow imposed it on us whether we liked it or not.I'm sorry Stone but bringing the unions to their knees was nothing to be proud of and as for what she accomplished well that my friend is definitely a matter of opinion.For the record I am not a Communist or a Fascist.I am a Scot who wishes Scotland to be Independent so being Labour or Conservative(never)doesn't really enter into my politics.Rant over

Never understood why many were so hostile against the poll tax. Everyone uses all the services so why should only house holders pay .?

Now as far as Scottish Independance ooooohhhhhh tetchy subjet there lol. All i can say to the scots is be careful what you wish for.

And Unions well, they were/are their own worst enemy lets leave it there lol.

And if you want to mention the miners, which you haven't, Labour closed far more mines than the Conservatives ever did but labour supporters conveniently ignore that point lol.....Bloody donkeys.

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Regarding my comments about Socialism: Let me just refine Socialism to be called what it is: "State Capitalism," where the state controls major means of production of goods and services, and redistributes them by political whim. This is done to enhance the political power of the ruling elite, and economic liberty is often taken from those who generate the wealth and given to those who do not generate wealth but can be trained to become large, dependent and dependable voting blocks.

It's not unlike the United States. For example, the US Federal government controls the primary retirement system, the primary Medical system, the public education system, the student loan system (all of which were problems when run by Free-Enterprise and Free-Markets, but are now "fixed and operate perfectly" :dodgy:) The Obama Administration even nationalized GM and gave it to the Unions to run. Of course, the English did that with formation of British Leyland Motors. That worked out great, didn't it?

Let's just say the UK's version is "Socialism Lite," new and improved. Buy it or else. But at least you "voted" for it.

(Russia and China have it worse, along with Venezuela and North Korea. They are "State Capitalist Extra Bold" and certainly need to control their people by force and dictates. And I miss my RLC ladies because of it.)

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England changed to UK by popular demand.
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6 hours ago, Robwin said:

Never understood why many were so hostile against the poll tax. Everyone uses all the services so why should only house holders pay .?

Now as far as Scottish Independance ooooohhhhhh tetchy subjet there lol. All i can say to the scots is be careful what you wish for.

And Unions well, they were/are their own worst enemy lets leave it there lol.

And if you want to mention the miners, which you haven't, Labour closed far more mines than the Conservatives ever did but labour supporters conveniently ignore that point lol.....Bloody donkeys.

Hi Rob,I would like to clear up a few points here:

(1)I omitted to say that I was not against the poll tax but just the way we were used to test it.

(2)Scottish Independence is not a dance😀(see your post pal)

(3)I deliberately didn't mention the miners because once again(not unlike the poll tax)there were sound economic reasons for closing pits but as usual it was her way or the highway.Not all her policies were wrong but IMO she was just an obnoxious person whom I am sure was not universally loved by her own party members.

(4)Unions can make bad decisions just as easily as Government but I think Trade Unions help to keep a sense of balance in the workplace if operated sensibly.

 

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7 hours ago, StnCld316 said:

No Politician has a Clean Track Record just look at Trump in the US tells everyone he's a Genius when he's really an Asshole who won't admit it. 

She must have done some good as she was Re-Elected a couple of times to be UK's PM for 11+ Years.

Hi Stone,I could just as easily sayTony Blair was PM for 10 Years and must have done some good and he was on the opposite side of the house.As you well know it doesn't matter what democracy you live in the opposition in Government always know's best and sooner or later the sitting party runs out of steam and it is the voting public who decide who fucks up next(not to put too fine a point on it).

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2 hours ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said:

Regarding my comments about Socialism: Let me just refine Socialism to be called what it is: "State Capitalism," where the state controls major means of production of goods and services, and redistributes them by political whim. This is done to enhance the political power of the ruling elite, and economic liberty is often taken from those who generate the wealth and given to those who do not generate wealth but can be trained to become large, dependent and dependable voting blocks.

It's not unlike the United States. For example, the US Federal government controls the primary retirement system, the primary Medical system, the public education system, the student loan system (all of which were problems when run by Free-Enterprise and Free-Markets, but are now "fixed and operate perfectly" :dodgy:) The Obama Administration even nationalized GM and gave it to the Unions to run. Of course, the English did that with formation of British Leyland Motors. That worked out great, didn't it?

Let's just say England's version is "Socialism Lite," new and improved. Buy it or else. But at least you "voted" for it.

(Russia and China have it worse, along with Venezuela and North Korea. They are "State Capitalist Extra Bold" and certainly need to control their people by force and dictates. And I miss my RLC ladies because of it.)

A good Scottish morning to you your highness,😀

Your post is very interesting although some of it is quite heavy for me as I am not very well acquainted with US politics.However l thought that your first paragraph(and dare I say it)smacked of Communism which I know is not the case in the USA.

Also I would like to point out to you your use of the word England when referring to British politics.

At the moment we are a United Kingdom and policies and decisions are created and voted on by MP's from four different parts of the country not just England.

I know full well that you being an informed and intelligent person you know all this already but your terminology was wrong.

Am I getting excommunicated from CC for daring to speak out against our Lord and Master😀😀😀😀😀

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10 hours ago, Dave 27 said:

That bitch(Thatcher)will never be forgiven North of Hadrian's Wall.When the rating system on property was to be replaced by a Poll tax/council tax system she didn't have the guts to use any of the home counties(South of england/London area for fear of upsetting all the wealthy contributors living in these well to do areas who supported her.Oh no she and her cohorts that knew fuck all about Scotland decided that we would be the testing ground for this new system.Were we asked ,no chance .That arrogant cow imposed it on us whether we liked it or not.I'm sorry Stone but bringing the unions to their knees was nothing to be proud of and as for what she accomplished well that my friend is definitely a matter of opinion.For the record I am not a Communist or a Fascist.I am a Scot who wishes Scotland to be Independent so being Labour or Conservative(never)doesn't really enter into my politics.Rant over

The primary failure in the "Community Charge" [The Poll Tax] as it was properly entitled was the British Civil Service who were determined to sabotage it. In the UK we have since WWII been really governed by the Civil Service with the politicians making less than 1% difference to government spending, whichever party is/was in power. Michael Mates warned Margaret Thatcher at the time that this was being done and that the proposals would be VERY unpopular. The fundamental idea of everyone contributing something (however small) was good one, but the design by the Civil Servants was poor and the idea to experiment/trial it in North Britain (Scotland) an appalling one. I was raised in Scotland and still support them in the Internationals, but I confess I am very happy not to be living in Salmond/Sturgeonland now. As Robwin says "be careful what you wish for!" 

The BBC fail to acknowledge their left leanings by adopting the language of the political left. For instance government spending/expenditure has become "investment", but it started with the "Poll Tax" which has always had historically unpopular connotations and associations. The failure of the Rating system, with which we all still have to live, is and was the failure to update the valuation base on which it is levied. That is a part (admittedly only a part) of the reason town and city retailers are failing now; the falling rents in town centres have NOT been reflected in reduced rateable values [on which the Rates are notionally based] or the Rate £age charged by councils. Most thinking politicians acknowledge that the basis of local government taxation ought to change but there is no consensus as to how to achieve this.

I suspect Dave 27 and I would actually agree on many things; Unions are a power for good, but had become over-mighty in the 1960s and 70s in the UK, to the point where they attempted to dictate government policy, and neither the rubbish was collected nor the dead buried during the "Winter of Discontent" under the then Labour government. Their power did need reducing at that point. My rant over also :<))

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