berty_47

Thank you, you are a very good observer. Now make a summary of Martina's day, starting with the visit to B-7 in the afternoon, the time she was together with Nelly somewhere (and after that already drunk). Then the night with these weird people, Martina in fuck-clothes and fuck-me shoes. Totally drunk home at 6am. And tricked Alberto because she waited until he was out of the house. Have a nice day Alberto, working well in the Spanish heat. I'm looking forward to the friendly hug tonight.

Tonight, it seems, we're getting to see something of Martina's real life for the first time, that has been subject of so much speculation. Martina looks like a whore, totally disfigured with makeup. Dreadful. Alberto finally wake up and throw the whole pack out. The two greedy fat women, the stupid guy (has already drunk half a bottle of alcohol and is already slurring. see 00:05 in the kitchen where he is staggering around.) and Martina as well. And then lock the apartment well. I'm really devastated, it's all worse than I could ever have imagined. I'm really shocked and disappointed.

Much has been written about this afternoon visit of Martina by Nelly. But what happened after that? Around 6:00 p.m. Nelly has made herself beautiful. 18:10 Martina left B-7, presumably with Nelly. Alberto was really upset when he realized Martina wasn't at home. She left the apartment completely untidy and A had to clean the dishwasher. He was visibly angry doing this. 21:33 Martina at home. Funny greeting. 21:38 Martina prepares a cigarette and goes onto the balcony. She seems high or drunk or both. Alfredo (a real wimp) immediately follows her. And now the usual game.starts... 22:02:45 M can hardly get up and keep on her feet. Nelly not home yet.

Very well observed. There are definitely many reasons. e.g. fell into the bushes (Note: Nelly was in her bed all night) From my own experience: If you grabbed a little harder with your hands (fingernails) while fucking from behind. Let's wait and see if Alberto asks her about it....

After the nice Saturday party, I had hoped that the two would turn things in another direction. Two days later I am very disappointed with the further course. Everything back as it was. While there is endless discussion here in the forum, things happen in reality at night that someone should explain realistically. What does she do alone from 19:38 to 00:24 (five hours), coming home to leave again from 01:09 to 02:56 (two hours)? Thank you BubbaG, Moosecini and Noldus for your timetable. BubbaG wrote: She left at 19:38 and returned at 00:24 five hours out on the town with out Taco or Al. He's in bed ready to work for her entertainment WTF OBTW, she changed to very short shorts fixed the hair and left at 00:39 with Taco. Addendum/update to your information: (partially already mentioned by others) 19:08 Fuck in living room 19:34 Martina left (without Taco) Freshly fucked but unsatisfied…. 00:29 back in apartment, mobile phone conversation in background 00:40 left apartment with Taco 0:58 back with Taco. 01:02 went into bedroom, dressed bra, short conversation with Alberto who was already asleep 01:09 left the apartment again 02:56 back at home (difficulty with balance) 03:04 on the balcony 03:30 to bed ….. 13:00 Martina still in a deep sleep

To your first question: Martina was alone in the pool. First she played with the ball and Taco. After that, Bogdan jumped into the pool. Then they played with the ball, i.e. threw it. Martina mastered it very well (see replay 16:50). There was no direct contact involved. However, Alberto was a bit irritated watching the two in the pool and he threw Taco into the tool. When Taco was back outside, the two continued to play. To your second question: as described: at 9:10 p.m Alberto came back af B-7 to pick up something forgotten (a white bag) and went then outside with Bogdan (in his swimming trunks). I have no idea where Alberto came from after more than two hours. And no idea where Martina and Nelly have been meamwhile. In any case, Martina and Alberto returned to their apartment at 10:36 p.m. with the stroller/shopping trolley filled with all the utensils, including the white bag that Alberto picked up from Bogdan.

In order to supplement your positiv report: Yesterday was an interesting event. I would like to share my observations here. That was probably Alberto and Martina's party, but they celebrated it in B-7. Alberto and Martina probably prepared the paella at home and brought all the ingredients with them. Alberto has obviously prepared a real treat on the grill. Martina helped him a lot (Cam 4.3 14:30) In any case, the pan was completely empty at the end. For our friends from the USA, Down Under, etc.: Paella is the national dish of the province of Valencia, where Martina (and Alberto?) come from, and is now world-famous. The wonderfully creamy rice stew with fine saffron is a firework of flavors made from everything the Spanish province Valencia has to offer: fish, crustaceans and meat. Martina then also prepared the dessert, a kind of sangria. Great recognition. Watching the participants interact with each other was really interesting. The body language between Martina and Bogdan was something special... (18:50:16. Martina really has skills that probably drive most men crazy in seconds. She managed (with bare breasts) to lure Bogdan into the pool. She cut a very good figure playing ball with him. Bogdan was a bit embarrassed under Nelly and Alberto's observation. When Martina and Alberto went home, they were accompanied by Nelly (without Bogdan?) and they were probably celebrating somewhere together (see camera 4-1 19:18:40). However, at 21:10 Alberto came back to pick up something forgotten and went outside with Bogdan (in his swimming trunks). And who was Nelly at that time? Sorry for this long report. For me it was like a stage play, a lot was so beautiful and yet so unreal. I have seen many positive aspects. Alberto in particular was in a really good mood. Now we are looking forward to the next act in this theater play.

Thank you, when I saw it in Karol's apartment, I knew I'd already seen it. It is really nice.

Thank you very much. Very interesting.

You wrote: "Or the rejection slap she gave to Alberto in the bedroom after his shower to impede his advances (accidental or not)?" There is a story behind this: (at approximately 6:04 pm) Martina deflected all touches from Al as she lay on the bed. When he wouldn't stop, she slapped him in the face. However, there is a background to this: At 5:28 p.m. when Martina wanted to leave, she was sitting on the couch. In passing, Al wanted to give her a kiss, then she slapped him on the stomach. He then slapped back at her arm. It's all harmless if you believe it... At 18:06 Martina starts an attempt to make amends. However, Al was not convinced or enthusiastic about this. He is manipulated daily and doesn't realize it or he's a masochist who needs that. See 18:13 a perfect example.

For information only: According to CNN: organizers officially canceled the festival, saying that the "adverse and unexpected weather conditions that are expected to continue throughout the day oblige us morally and out of responsibility to put an end to our 2022 edition."

What happened in apartment M and A is strange. Is it all coincidence or was the apartment deliberately switched off UM?. And why? In any case, Nelly planned a nice evening for the two. She wrapped two large red wine glasses in a towel and some food. She was super excited. Bogdan let the two of them leave the house very relaxed. So I doubt the statement that Bogdan would have anything against this relationship, but not Alberto. Seems to be the other way around. Bogdan seems to like Martina very much. As soon as Martina lay in the hammock, Bogdan lay with her. They had a nice chat. By the way, Nelly brought back the long trousers that Martina wore. I understood it like this: there are many mosquito flies or gnat where they plant to go. Nelly showed Martina her legs with bites. Martina in Nelly tight pants and no bra, wow. Looked really sexy. Nelly brought back the two red wine glasses, one was filled with something like salt? I'm sure the two had a nice evening together. It remains very exciting.

Sorry Deepdave and many others. I probably misunderstood some things. Please excuse me, I'm sorry. However, for me the really substantive questions are still open. So you think that Alberto agrees with Martina's way of life because he entered into an agreement of his own accord? Do you think Alberto is really happy in this relationship?

Thanks you BubbaG for your info. I didn't notice this fraud by Martina. However, Martina made a big mistake: she didn't know that Alberto had just woken up and noticed that she wasn't in bed yet. 4:53 am Alberto woke up and goes to the bathroom. 4:54 Alberto back in bed and checked with his arm if Martina is in bed, the bed was empty. 4:55 Martina sneaks into bed and pretends to be asleep. 4:58 Alberto wakes up, Martina strokes him. 4:59 Alberto kisses her and stands up. What an idiot. Interesting to see how Martina cheats on him and how he reacts to this botched trick.

Thank you philo for your report which I can confirm. I guess !!! it was Luis with whom Martina was on vacation in Croatia and with whom she has been on the phone for many nights. If that's the case, then the assumptions about the course of the Croatia holiday together were simply wrong. As you reported, things got very intimate again during the phone call. And Martina keeps these phone calls secret from Alberto. Today she ended the conversation (after a five hour call) shortly before 5 o'clock. If a man really loves a woman, no matter what you call the relationship, he will be very disappointed with such hours of phone calls. Alberto reminds me of a Freddy Mercury song: Oh yes I'm the great pretender, Pretending I'm doing well, My need is such I pretend too much, I'm lonely but no one can tell, Oh yes I'm the great pretender, Adrift in a world of my own, I play the game but to my real shame. But what happened after the phone call really blew me away. Martina went to bed around 5:30 am and started reading the book: Criptomonedas: Qué son, como utilizarlas y por qué van a cambiar el mundo (Gestión 2000) by José Manuel Torres. (Cryptocurrencies: What they are, how to use them and why they will change the world). It's bad enough what she's read up until now on stupid stock market books (e.g. Day Trading FOR DUMMIES”). However, cryptocurrencies/bitcoins are another story once again. She is obviously being advised on this by her phone friend and gets the books from him. During their long phone calls, she discussed the book with him. Alberto slaves away in the summer heat and has no idea in which world Martina actually lives. He has no future place in her world, I'm sure. I also think the eternal discussion about "open relationships" or FWB is completely wrong, as long as it has not been proven whether Alberto was willing to do so of his own accord or whether he only agreed to it out of necessity.

Sorry Adalbert, I was referring to darkman's post (refer to darkmann, posted Friday at 07:08 PM). He wrote (extract): "just to say that the discussion begins with martina's weekend outing to a festival, and as a result of that all the dirty laundry comes out, the relationship with nelly between them, and some martina's horns from years ago with a friend of alberto." if Alberto doesn't say anything about the Nelly affair, that doesn't mean he agrees (see my post from today)

"The fact is that they have said at some point that they are in an open relationship" What is the source for this statement as a fact? If it's true, why did Alberto accuse her of cheating now? Why did he blame her for the Nelly case? Do you see the total contradiction in your words?

Sorry Adalbert, you wrote "so I think they made up after their little arguing yesterday". I think this was a very strong argument. And it makes a lot of things easier to understand, at least for me. If it is true that Martina fucked with a good friend of Alberto's and even left him for a short time, then there is now an explanation for Alberto's behavior. The fact that he has now accused her of this after such a long time proves how deeply she has hurt him and that he cannot forget it. That's why he tolerates her adventures for years and obviously suffers greatly from their self-centered, ruthless behavior, but he's deluding himself. The fear of loss that the bird will fly away is greater. When I see him dancing around her every day, terrible. He finally has to admit that living with Martina will never work out. Just imagine: Martina and Alberto on a Sunday walk on La Rambla with a cute baby in a stroller. Can anyone seriously imagine that? But it gets even worse: Martina cheats on Alberto several times a week, namely with her emotional affairs. She often spends hours on the phone (e.g. from 1 a.m. to 4 a.m.) with a man. When things get intimate, she puts on the headphones or goes onto the balcony or into the bathroom. Alberto once surprised her on the phone at 5 a.m. Not only sex with another person is cheating. Anyone who has an emotional affair is cheating on their partner emotionally, and for many partners that is worse than a sexual affair. Secretly getting involved with another person, whether emotionally or sexually, is a sign of either unmet needs or a neglected bond with your significant other. If Martina doesn't sleep during the day, she calls a lot of people. At night she works her way through some dating sides or similar, writes replies, send voice messages, etc. And then the Nelly case: I don't know how long Martina cheated on her Alberto with Nelly before the night came in Martina's bedroom and Alberto was playing on the PC. I've seen a lot, but never before such passion and dedication between two women. Even though Martina is (visibly) trying hard to fuck Alberto well, it's getting more and more boring. It comes across as "trying to do a good job”. And what does all this mean? I tried to present my point of view which can be completely wrong. My summary is: There is a second Martina world that we don't know, we can only guess (nothing new, but few new details). Martina manipulates her fellow human beings, including us, very strongly. However, new insights have been gained recently. And we will know more soon. Alberto must finally accept the truth, even if it will certainly be very painful for him.

Thanks Darkman or this interesting information. What do you know regarding the case "and some martina's horns from years ago with a friend of alberto" ? My impression is that Alberto has been unhappy about the whole situation for a long time. But he is caught in the circumstances and his helplessness. This has been a toxic relationship for a long time.

Thank you very much. You summed it up very well. Besides, does anyone know how old Alberto actually is? It is said that a person's gait reveals their real age. If that's true, then Alberto is old.

Thanks for the note. You got me. Daughter in law? No. No matter how, she has to get out of her life circumstances, her weird friends, the Russian women and so on.

Sorry, I didn't mean "she should become a high class prostitute" but she should try to live in a completely different environment where she could meet men who can offer her a lot, she also has a lot to offer. This has little to do with sex.

Thank you Adalbert. A small (now long) note regarding Tragedy: Daughters usually have a more intense relationship with their father than with their mothers. I have two adult daughters. 👩🧖‍♂️ I can imagine that Martina is very concerned about how this is going to continue. Finding a way to live without a guilty conscience while getting your siblings to support their parents will not be easy. And one more thing: daughters often look for a man who has similar qualities to their father. Who praises them, who loves them, whom they can adore. Do you see the connection? My personal impression is that Martina is aware of the whole situation and she is looking for a way to lead a completely different life. As soon as she gets into a different living environment, where she meets completely different men (e.g. succesful, good job, without financial problems), she might find a man that a woman like Martina deserves. Do you know the movie "Pretty Woman" with the charming Julia Roberts. If not, watch the movie. And send a copy to Martina.

"OR move them to an apartment worthy of Martina!" You're right. This matter has already been addressed. The difference between B6/B7 is so significant: Size and condition of the apartment, location, pool, terrace and balcony, interior design and much more. It looks like RLC differentiates between Russians/Ukrainians and Spaniards. In any case, there was once a connection to Russia and Ukraine. That might explain why Bogdan is involved. I have been to Russia several times and was surprised by the poor conditions many people live there. Even in big cities like St-Petersburg. However, Leora's apartment in Siberia was spacious and modern.

" OR move them to an apartment worthy of Martina!" You're right. This matter has already been addressed. The difference between B6/B7 is so significant: Size and condition of the apartment, location, pool, terrace and balcony, interior design and much more. It looks like RLC differentiates between Russians/Ukrainians and Spaniards. In any case, there was once a connection to Russia and Ukraine. That might explain why Bogdan is involved. I have been to Russia several times and was surprised by the poor conditions many people live there. Even in big cities like St-Petersburg. However, Leora's apartment in Siberia was spacious and modern.