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Why isn't the forum better followed, even back in time? There are already answers to many questions and discussions. Martina brought a friendship bracelet for Alberto. At 10:57 p.m., she unpacked it and put it on Alberto's arm. She had already worn hers upon arrival. However, I see this with mixed feelings. There could be a very obvious reason. I couldn't see that Nelly did this for Bogdan too. Martina came home at 10:44 p.m. Nelly was picked up by Bogdan and Dog. They got to the apartment at 11:41 p.m. When Martina goes to Nelly, it always takes about an hour. Nelly probably accompanied Martina home. Martina is said to live in the Gràcia district. B7 seems to be more inland on hills. You can see beautiful forests from the house and there is usually a light wind. On the family: According to various reports, her father screwed up pretty badly and is (or was) in prison. The family lives in a small town where everyone knows each other (Martina even mentioned the name in a phone call), so not in Valencia. When Martina's parents were visiting her in Barcelona, her father openly showed his dislike for Alberto (was reported). Martina's brother also has a very questionable past. He is unemployed and lives from his family, who don't have much to live on themselves. From my point of view, it is not important whether the brother is gay or not, but why he does not contribute to the family's upkeep. I am aware of several cases where there were two daughters and one son. The daughters took care of their parents for years, the son not at all. After the parents died, the son inherited most of it. The daughters went almost empty-handed. When I now observe how committed Martina is to her studies and her future plans and how reliably Alberto goes about his difficult work, then a tragedy is imminent. I wish them both all the best for the future.

Thank you.

Some questions about this trip: Do Martina or Alberto have a driver's license? Do Nelly or Bogan have a driver's license? Does Alberto own a car (I think he has driven Martina on several dates) Do Nelly/Bogdan own a car in Barcelona? From the timing it could be that Nelly picked Martina up by car (just a guess) Does anyone have a reliable answer?

Completely agree!

It gets even better: Martina is reading a second book: Codigo del Dinero, El: conquista tu libertad financiera (EXITO) Extract: Do you want to achieve financial independence? Would you like to double your income in a year? Do you want to know the secrets of successful entrepreneurs? The Money Code® contains everything you need to know to achieve your financial freedom: *WHAT NOBODY TAUGHT YOU ABOUT MONEY *APPLICATED FINANCIAL INTELLIGENCE and so on.... The author is Raimon Samsó. Another book by Samso: The Money Code: Free, wise and rich (Raimon Samsó). Seems to be the English version of the book she is reading. He wrotes books as “The Manifestation Code: 12 powers to make your wishes come true”. From the ad: This set of principles -as I have ordered and systematized them- they make up "The Manifestation Code" and they are a spiritual technology to make the invisible visible. Although the concepts on which I have based the "12 powers" may seem like a commonplace to you, or you think you already know them, I will provide you with a new meaning for those concepts, please let yourself be surprised. ...... Only 12 steps to learn. All of them in this book. Spiritually enlightened people, the majority, will align their intention with their manifestations and only those who have fallen behind, the minority, in their spiritual development, will suffer an unelected destiny. I wonder who gives or recommends such books to Martina? What is she up to? What does she expect from these books? You have to be a bit naïve to believe that you can change yourself and life so easily.

You are right, Martina is reading the book: “Day trading y operativa bursátil para Dummies” by Francisca Serrano. I can't believe this. Martina call me and I will give you valuable tips on how to successfully lose your money with day trading in a short time. As a beginner you have no change at all. It looks like you've accumulated some money and don't know how to invest it?

Thank you for your comments Deepdave. Since you are the one who is obviously the only one who has very precise knowledge of details of Martina and Alberto and who also reports on them. Your comments should be taken seriously. However, I still believe there are some mysteries that go far beyond what many members of the forum, perhaps including you, can imagine. Time will tell the truth. On the other hand, there are so many totally crazy speculations that lead to quarrels in the forum, which I very much regret. Thank you very much for your inside information. This is the only way to keep speculation under control to some extent. Don't let a few bothers you and continue providing information. A question: Do you personally think that Alberto is really happy in this relationship?

Martina came home at 11:52 p.m. Nelly stayed by the pool. By the way: Martina and Nelly talked to each other for a long time. Martina smoked one cigarette after the other. Much has not yet ended between the two. It was a beautiful day for Tago. He even swam in the pool.

Thanks for the information on the author of the book Martina is reading. He is largely unknown in Germany. Hopefully she knows the background of the author. It is nevertheless remarkable how intensively she reads this book. Last night she read intently from 11:00 p.m. to 1:00 a.m. and made handwritten notes in the book. Now she's coming to the end of the book. For me, this is a clear sign that she has determined to fundamentally change her current life, especially by attending university. However, without changing their entire current environment and lifestyle (e.g. endless nights of partying) this will be very difficult. I wish her every success.

I’m sorry, after sending my post I can’ see anything. However, piedpiper1968 answered to my post. Very strange. Next and last try. It seems some forum members disappeared….. tle wrote: We never see any of the other girls just sitting down and reading a book. This is not entirely true, see Leora et al. However, the special thing here is what kind of book Martina reads. Martina is always good for surprises: she is reading the book for days, even at night: IMBATIBLE, La formula para alcazar la libertad finaciera. Available in English as: Unshakeable: Your Financial Freedom Playbook, by Tony Robbins, an American author, coach, speaker, and philanthropist. In German; Unschlagbar, Die Formel, um finanzielle Freiheit zu erreichen Wow, my compliments to Marina, she has the power to change her life. I wish you much success.

Sorry, it seems you answered my post. I can't see it. I sent it again, can't see anything. Can you see my post?

You're right. But today's discussion paints a very different picture. After all, it wasn't just any forum member, but a good friend. Few weeks ago, I’ve wrote a post regarding Martina’s background. By chance I came across the "xcamfan.com" forum, which is a parallel forum to this forum and has an almost identical structure. There you will find a message from March 27, 2019, created by "Harry1949" under "Fan Page for Martina & Alberto". Since there is already a lot of information in this forum based on assumptions or speculation, I did not repeat the content of the post here. After reading the forum today I’ve decided to copy a part of this post here due to it could be another piece in the puzzle. Refer to the link. "Harry1949" wrote: “Alberto and Martina are married. It was hilarious when word got to their village that they were living 'on cam'. Mom and Dad came to visit. Dad clearly is not a fan of Alberto. Mom peered into each cam in every room. Not certain what she hoped to see? Little men running around in the background. At the end of the 3 day visit they said to Martina 'well you know what is best' and 'at least keep it out of the living room"! That was about two years ago.” If it was Elena with whom Martina had this heated argument, then mentioning the village takes on a new meaning. I believe it was mentioned earlier that Elena was closely related to this village. I have relatively good recordings of the video conversation and can also technically edit them to make them easier to understand. But unfortunately, I only understand a few words of Spanish. A translator could bring a lot of light on this exciting story. Regarding the discussion Puta or not: refer to “Martina and Alberto - home activities #35”, girlsfun replied to MountainSwede's topic in Martina & Alberto (04/15/17) : “...she was very drunk and ask Alberto "I'm your puta , fuck me', she took down her pants and leaned forward and waited for Alberto to do his stuff.”

This morning I decided to take out a premium subscription. So RLC (and Martina) won. I'm hoping to get some more information now about the strange and exciting things going on around Martina. But already on the first day the first new puzzles arose for me: Deepdave wrote: Martina went to meet a girlfriend. Question: Is that a speculation or based on evidence? And "Adabert" obviously knows who she was with and wrote "her name is not starting with N.". Martina got home around 2:40 a.m. Then she exchanged messages with someone on the mobile phone until almost 4 a.m. and then went to bed. My God, what can you do between 9 p.m. and 3 a.m.……. I don't know that, apart from Candela and Nelly, Martina doesn't have any girlfriends that she spend most of the night with. The wildest speculations can go on…..

Thank you for your information. If Split and Dubrovnik are correct then there was no party time. These "dangerous" areas are much further north (about 250 km).

My vote: 5 without tan line and no heavy tanning We have no idea why Martina is traveling to Croatia right now. However there is a lot of culture and beautiful landscapes to see. But exactly at this time there are boisterous parties everywhere. (see Spring Break 2022 Croatia). The term spring break now stands for wild, uninhibited parties with lots of fun, alcohol, loud music, lots of sex and lots of bare skin! From advertising: The four different Spring Break dates in Croatia are from May 26th to June 16th. European Spring Break is celebrated at Zrće Beach! During this period, party people from all over Europe gather at Zrce Beach. Italy, Germany, Spain, Austria… everyone is coming to Novalja to experience 4 wild days. Look forward to a relaxed atmosphere, lots of alcohol, top DJs and a high flirt factor! A lot of young Germans go there and talk about how great it is and how revealing it is and how easy it is to get hold of pretty young women. A lot of gays also meet there. (Not another speculation! For Martina, I think that's completely out of the question.....She probably only visited the culture extensively.) For Spring Break 2022: Go online and see for yourself. https://www.animus-travel.com/spring-break-croatia https://www.ajoure-travel.de/reisereports/sex-wilde-parties-und-jede-menge-alkohol-ausnahmestaat-springbreak/

Thank you for your remarkable contribution. You hit the point exactly. And if you're from Catalonia, which your nickname suggests, then you probably have a lot of background information. Moltes gràcies.

Hi JenniferMom, I like your comments very much. I'm a male with technical education and long experience in the computer and airplanes business. I learned to think logically and in a structured way. Unfortunately, this way of thinking doesn't work at all with people and especially with women. I'm sure you understand what I mean despite my bad english. That's why I like reading your intelligent and profound comments. They help me better understand the way women think. Regarding the comments about the video clip: In my post I asked the question (which remained unanswered): "Why would Alberto encourage her, even yell at her, to go on a date on time?" Every "normal" man would be happy if he could spend a long weekend holiday every hour together with a woman like Martina. He sends her on a date and sits in front of his computer game for hours. Unbelievable. There might be a very simple answer if you think logically. I don't want to speculate here, think about it.

Sorry, I watched the clip several times again. I can't believe your interpretation. Why? I've never heard Alberto yell at her like that before. She ran out of the living room in fear and not in a hurry. And there is a contradiction: Because she then calmly, but visibly upset, drank a coffee and left later. No hurry any longer…. And another contradiction: why would Alberto encourage her to go on a date? She was gone all night, slept for hours, and then treated her servant Albert in an impossible and degrading manner. A strange kind of love... I expect some surprises in the near future. Until then, the quote from Goehte applies: "Sage mir, mit wem du umgehst, so sage ich dir, wer du bist; weiß ich, womit du dich beschäftigst, so weiß ich, was aus dir werden kann." "Tell me who you associate with and I'll tell you who you are; if I know what you're dealing with, I know what can become of you." It's better translated as "with whom you spend your time / the people you surround yourself with" or, simply, "whom you hang out with".

There is a video availble, called (Reallifecam - martina and Alberto pussy eat and fucking on s...) Martina is dressed with sexy slave lingerie (bondage set). I have extracted photos but do not want to publish them for legal reasons. Why on earth does she have this outfit, otherwise you never used it at home? Search for the video and then make up your own mind. Here is a link to a comparable costume: .https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/1236706481/erotisches-3-teiliges-bondage-set-frau?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=sklave+dessous&ref=sr_gallery-3-9

I don't have a sub so I don't have access to the replay feature. But I have several videos of this incident. Everyone who sees this should decide for themselves. It was a shock for me, also for Martina.

Da ich unterwegs war, konnte ich nicht alle Beiträge im Forum verfolgen. Heute jedoch wundere ich mich sehr, dass niemand über den heftigen Zwischenfall am Sontag berichtet hat. Martina war Samstag-Nacht bis Sonntag-früh (ca. 8 Uhr) unterwegs. Dann schlief sie bis nach 14 Uhr. Alberto wurde immer unruhiger und er war sichtlich richtig böse. Als Martina aufwachte ging sie unter die Dusche. Alberto hat das Essen zubereitet, und den Tisch gedeckt (15:06 Uhr) Dann hat er Martina gesagt, das Essen ist fertig. Und hat ihr das Essen in ihren Teller gegeben. Madame Martina hat jedoch provozierend immer weiter geduscht. Und Albert wurde immer wütender. Er aß alleine voller Wut. 15:34 Uhr kam Martina nackt ins Wohnzimmer, ihr Essen stand noch da, war sicher schon kalt, und sie ging wieder. 15:39 Uhr kam sie - oben ohne - um zu essen. Die Atmosphäre war mehr als frostig. Etwa 15:48 war sie mit dem Essen fertig und ging in die Küche. Kurze Zeit später kam sie zurück und es begann eine Diskussion. Nach kurzer Zeit wurde Martina lauter, dann explodierte Alberto. Er schrie sie laut an, klopfte auf den Tisch und sprang auf. Ich kann die Sprache nicht verstehen, aber seine Geste war so als wolle er sagen „verschwinde hier“. Martina ist aufgesprungen und so schnell sie konnte aus dem Wohnzimmer gerannt. Sie war wohl sehr erschrocken über seine Reaktion. Ich hätte ihm so etwas auch nicht zugemutet. Aber seit der letzten langen Nacht vor ein paar Wochen ist er verändert. Ihr Verhalten macht ihm wohl sehr große Probleme. Ca. 16:06 kam Martina entsetzt zurück ins Wohnzimmer und trank einen Kaffee, Alberto war verschwunden. Martina zog sich an und ging weg. Alberto saß stundenlang vor seinem PC-Spiel um seinen Frust zu vergessen. Um ca. 23:45 kam Martina zurück und aß im Wohnzimmer, er spielte immer noch. Danach gab es eine kurze frostige Unterhaltung. Ich habe einige Teile, besonders Albertos Wutausbruch aufgenommen. Weiß aber nicht, wie ich das veröffentlichen kann, ohne Schwierigkeiten zu bekommen. Wäre interessant den Inhalt des Gesprächs übersetzt zu bekommen. Here an automatic English translation, sorry for the mistakes. Since I was traveling, I was not able to follow all the posts in the forum. Today, however, I’m, very surprised that nobody reported on the violent incident on Sunday. Martina was out from Saturday evening til Sunday morning (around 8 a.m.). Then she slept until after 2 p.m. Alberto was getting more and more restless and he was obviously really angry. When Martina woke up she took a shower. Alberto prepared the food and set the table (3:06 p.m.) Then he told Martina, dinner is ready. And gave her the food on her plate. However, Madame Martina continued to shower provocatively. And Albert kept getting angrier. At 3:34 p.m. Martina came naked into the living room, her food was still there, it was probably already cold, and then she left. 3:39 pm she came topless back to eat. The atmosphere was more than frosty. At about 3:48 p.m. she finished eating and went into the kitchen. A short time later she came back and a discussion started. After a short while Martina got louder, then Alberto exploded. He yelled at her loudly, pounded on the table and jumped up. I can't understand the language, but his gesture was as if to say "get out of here". Martina jumped up and ran out of the living room as fast as she could. She was probably very shocked by his reaction. I wouldn't have put that up to him either. But since that last long night a few weeks ago, he's changed. Her behaviour is probably causing him a lot of trouble. At about 4:06 p.m. Martina came back into the living room and drank a coffee, Alberto had disappeared. Martina got dressed and left. Later Alberto sat in front of his PC game for hours to forget his frustration. At 11.45pm Martina came back and ate in the living room, he was still playing. Then there was a brief frosty conversation. I have recorded some parts, especially Alberto's outburst. Don't know how to post this without running into trouble though. Would be interesting to get the content of the conversation translated.

to 1), 2), 3): full agreement 4) and without this adorable girlfriend to fuck 5) with debts to pay to Martina He's fooling himself, but he's suffering like a dog Bad prospects...

By chance I came across the "xcamfan.com" forum, which is a parallel forum to this forum and has an almost identical structure. There one will find a message from March 27, 2019, created by "Harry1949" under "Fan Page for Martina & Alberto". Since there is already a lot of information in this forum based on assumptions or speculation, I don’t want to repeat the content of the post here. However, in case that what is claimed there is true, many of the posts regarding Martina and Alberto's cohabitation and marital status would be largely false. Maybe there is someone here in the forum who can check the post for its credibility. There is whole lot of other interesting information there, including the description that Martina is already 2018 often out and all night long.

Thank you for this helpful information.