JenniferMom

Good to see Alberto has the place tidied up before Martina's return. I was starting to worry.

I hear you Neil but what is the downside? There probably is a downside, there always always is in life. But someone needs to articulate it because I don't see it. Of course, if RLC has two complete total sluts waiting in line to get in ... we can't see that ... that could expose this as a mistake. But I see no reason to see that room be empty and I think these girls were meant to sleep together every night.

Wow. If there is a will, there's a way. If you build it, they will come. Very impressed after all the clamoring here to give these two sweeties a room together ... it has actually happened. Any evidence that they are just not taking the room? The way they acted on that crazy day, I could imagine them saying "Fuck this. Fuck Bogdan. Fuck Nelly ... we are taking that room".

Agree with you KP. But I will add that I think the Peggy Lee point is more applicable if these two are true lesbians and the question is whether they could have a happy life together. As lesbians, if the relationship is based on sex, then it might not last as these two are not very compatible it seems to me. They are not lesbians but are bisexual. I continue to think (hypothesize) that this is a really good FWB relationship forming. So when you look beyond the sex ... they seem to be becoming great friends. They travel together (twice). They cuddle while watching TV. They are playful at B4 parties and such. They both have some sort of a commitment to their man (Nelly more so than Martina) and they also seem to really want this too. The men are tolerating this for now. Great friendships can cause people to ignore traits they would not ignore in a committed relationship ... traits like Nelly's erratic behavior and how she deals with alcohol. Martina might not think she could live with that ... but as a friend, it's almost adorable. And Nelly needs a good friend. The hate for Nelly here doesn't just reside here on Camcaps. I am guessing the RLC girls don't care for her very much either -- but unlike Sera may not express it since she is the bosses wife. I have friends that sometimes I struggle with why I hang with them. Sometimes they are annoying, etc. But a good friend is always there no matter what ... and this seems to be at play here. They are there for each other. It has been said here that their sex is partially based on the fact that their man can't satisfy them sexually. Well this would not be the first time girls got together for this reason. But they are also struggling with big issues ... Nelly with her alcohol issues and Martina with her future. And great friends help each other with tough issues ... sometimes more than a significant other. What is new to me is seeing a possible FWB with attached partners. I know some single girls, parents, etc. who have FWB relationships (or claim to) but have not met anyone who openly says they have this while they are married or at least significantly attached like Martina/Alberto. I would say Martina is playing that Peggy Lee song in her head when she thinks about Alberto being a ni ni.

I thought it was a cute name and he was kinda hot, not gonna lie. Just go with the flow Vette!

Is that Gina in B1 talking on the Terrace with Ariana? Honest to God I still don’t understand what drives traffic here. I was away for a bit and I see Gina dressed so hot on top cam and no posts at all about this??? Meanwhile Bogdan chasing ants and termites and CC Nation is all abuzz about what this means! Maybe it’s commented on in Gina’s thread. Headed there next …

What convinces you of this? Not trying to be argumentative. Just trying to understand. I can believe they perhaps get bonuses for this things like this but not sure I agree all of this is choreographed.

One of the greatest fucking understatements of all time.

I wonder where he is.

Admittedly, lots of focus on Nelly and Martina here today ... but where the hell has Bogdan been? I think early on I saw him vacuuming the kitchen but tonight? What if he is out fucking someone? Does that change anything? Maybe he is in Valencia as well now ... which is Harley's assertion.

How would you prove this?

Whoa Yelt. Martina is not pissed that Alberto's business failed. She is upset that he is not doing anything to get back on his feet. Remember, she doesn't want him to be a "ni ni". And to think spending time here is a total depraved waste ... look at the cultural learnings we are all getting. We now know what a "ni ni" is in Spain!

Dave ... welcome to the party. Very reasoned post and honestly you could be exactly right. But as I said just moments ago, we need to be evidenced-based. The best evidence is what we see on cam. Second best evidence is from translators who have a good track record who we trust. After that, it is pure speculation. Did you read the post about a conversation EMNV translated for us about their money problems? I used to agree with much in your post but this has been a bit of a game changer. Does this conversation change anything you posted above? There is a lot of bashing here which is unfortunate (i.e. "Nelly is ugly", etc.). But I think there are some serious issues here with their relationships. Of course I could be wrong and you could be right, i.e. both women love their man and they are both bisexual and their men are OK with it. I'm just not there yet. I believe open couples exist and it can work ... but from everything I have read (and there used to be a podcast about this) to have an open marriage/relationship ... both partners need to be involved in everything. It needs to be mutual. That is my concern right now. So we have a triangle here and when one side of the triangle overpowers the other two sides, there will be issues. But thank you for jumping in. This is more fun that watching Leora and Malia (IMHO).

The "Nelly is ugly" line of reasoning is really not relevant. Martina obviously has the hots for her. We all know couples where we say "what the hell does he/she see in her/him".

Has this been confirmed by anyone with REPLAY? We need to be evidence-based here.

Who knows what it says about her based on how she shaves her pussy. But asking you ... what does it mean if she can keep the kitchen clean? 🙂

Really Mark? No wonder you don't find the same things sexy and hot that I do. You are looking at how good they are at cleaning the kitchens!!!

Yelt you have a lot of crazy speculations IMHO … most of which I cannot even respond to … but it this one I think I can. We have no visual evidence that any of these four are hot tempered or violent … like Gina and Bruno. My guess is if any of these three relationships fail … these people will just go on their way. Lots of crying perhaps but nothing more than that. Sadly it is human nature to not give up. Look how bad things have gotten with Kitty and Smith and yet they are still together and fuck each other. Humans can withstand a lot of pain unfortunately. And thanks to emnv, I now think Alberto cares. He is significantly and seriously embarrassed and between his business failures and Covid … has become a bit catatonic. This is sad honestly and time will tell whether or not he can get his shit together. I need to slow down on these self-righteous opinions or Mark’s head is going to blow off. I’m ok with the crazy speculations Yelt but don’t take any of them too seriously.

I did not see it but yes she does that. Great observation.

Both guys are idiots if they don’t see the seriousness of this. This is not an RLC show to just make money. Is it serious enough to destroy their marriage/relationship with their man? I don’t know. Maybe these relationships are open enough to allow for a serious FWB between N and M. I am out of my base of experience having not married … but we all have very close and good friends that we are intimate with but perhaps not have sex with. I’ve known couples who get into trouble when one spouse has a BFF that he/she confides in a lot … but never ever have sex. It’s funny to me that you could have such a good friend and the spouse is OK but you add sex and all of a sudden it’s time to get a divorce. To me it is not so much the sex but rather the time spent together and the intimacy between these two girls … that is the problem Alberto and Bogdan have. Or maybe they are ok with it. There are a lot of ways people survive as a couple these days. It is questions like these that make this interesting to me.

OK if they are part of the RLC management team … put them in their own fucking apartment.

Mark … don’t you think most if not all of the “Alberto is queer” stuff is just sarcasm? Even all the lesbian haircut stuff is just silly noise in my opinion. It’s fun. If we were altogether in person at a cocktail party, you would hear the same shit and think it was funny. If Martina wanted to show her bisexual or lesbian side … she would shave her head in a more visible place.

I agree James. I would also put Hannah into the mix. She is going to do something unpredictable at some point I think. Do you really feel the Nelly / Martina saga is not interesting? I am sensitive to being accused of being obsessed (which is not a wrongful accusation) but it does seem to me this is a very real and authentic story here (given the context of RLC and the cams as such). It’s ok if you don’t think so. I agree that Martina and Alberto’s sex is rather predictable. And Bogdan and Nelly’s sex is so over-the-top at times it reeks of being fake. The real story is the developing story between Nelly and Martina. Every time I try to pull back … emnv provides some juicy translations which draws me back in!! If I could write, this might be a good plot line for a trashy romance novel.

My bad Moose. Yes I believe you are correct. I was thinking this … she has leverage over him … but my fingers typed the opposite.

Hi Ashley. Have you met Mark yet? 😀