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40 minutes ago, HarleyFatboy said:

Obviously I don't have any of the answers, by the replies that I see for the most part.  The simple solution in my mind is a better screening/casting agent.  Now before you all go off on thinking that I'm referring to them screening the applicants so they get the one's that are going to have sex like N&B or M&S or masturbate in the open like Masha or Zoya.....I'm not saying that at all.   What I am saying though is that when they screen the applicants, I'm sure allot of the questions involve sex and sexual situations....hell, they might even ask them if they masturbate and how often for all I know.   The point is, is that if they do masturbate or have sex it shouldn't be hidden from people that pay good money to see the tenants if that is what the tenants want to do.  In my opinion, under no circumstances should the tenants be allowed to hide from the cameras unless it's a life threatening situation.    Let's say that one of the girls in Barca likes to masturbate allot and she doesn't care if it hair lips every pussy cat in the alley.   At the same time there might be another girl in Barca that might masturbate twice a month and when that time comes she locks herself up in the laundry room or the downstairs bathroom or in the entry way for that matter.   Now you have a girl (the same girl) that allot of people had been wondering if and when it was going to happen, and it finally happens but you don't get to see anything, no facial expressions, no toes curling, no blanket moving, no nothing and I don't feel that is right.   Ahhh never mind, I could go on but it's like talking to a brick wall.   You have your PRO supporters of RLC that are never going to change/agree and then you have me......I'm out numbered so what's the point!!

I agree that the screening process could/should be better. It's also possible they already have a decent process, but what people do once they are in isn't what they said they would do. I think, too, that RLC lets some of these couple get away with almost anything. D&D obviously gets away with everything - God knows why. I do think there should be some lax rules for guests. I still think if I want to visit a friend in an RLC apartment for a party, and I get frisky with someone there, I don't see getting under a blanket as something I shouldn't be allowed to do. This is what's happening with Masha, Sasha, and the Italian girl. The Italian girl isn't a tenant, so she shouldn't have to show anything.

I think you and I Harley, agree on many things, it's just that the things we don't agree on get us riled up LOL

Oh, one more thing... We tend to not mention that RLC's idea of what this project is may be totally different than what we think it is...

2 hours ago, Noldus said:

2350: Kami went out to see coceboy

Too bad she doesn't get it.

Just now, MrBox said:

The residents need to neglecting the camera*. If they would not do this, they would not have a "Real Live" there. ... It is not like with the cam pages out there. The do not need to give a show. ... The idea is to have a real life just as without cameras. :)

*) I know that this needs overcoming, but without it, RLC would be not possible at all. 

I think the issue is this...

People that watch RLC and/or subscribe, have an "expectation". They may call it "real life" and some of that might actually be interesting (parties, visitors, etc.) but what many(most?) want to see is skin and sex.

RLC;s hope is pretty much the same. "Real Life" including parties, visitors, arguments, making up, watching TV, eating, and hopefully a lot of sex and skin. I'm sure that's what they tell the people applying. I'm sure that's what they are paying them for.

However, the "plan" isn't always what we get because the people that live in these apartments are all different.

Case in point #1; Nina and Kira move in and live their life pretty much they way they would live it if there weren't any cameras. It's a what you see is what you get couple.

Case in point #2; K&K are both "fairly" open, but they have a lot of friends and business contacts they likely know where they live. Because of that, they are careful how much to show not to endanger those relationships.

Case in point #3; Nelly and Bogden; pretty much sex anytime and anywhere. The cameras don't bother them a bit.

Case in point #4; Dasha and Demid; This couple is pretty much controlled by Demid. He simply doesn't want Dasha or himself naked on the internet. Who knows why. If he and Dasha actually are part owners of the project, maybe that explains it.

Case in point #5; Vika and BF; Vika came into RLC pretty open. After a couple shy days, she was showing herself regularly. Then her BF shows up and she starts closing down. In this case, her environment changed and so did she.

My point here is that even RLC can't be sure how people will react when they get in front of the cameras, nor can they control what variables change that may change their reactions. At any given time, they will have some apartments working as planned and some not so much.

THIS is what I call "real life". Constant change - constant flux. Expecting it to be 100% open sex is unrealistic. That's not REAL.

I will agree that right now, RLC is dealing with a lot of apartments that aren't working - more than usual. Between variable that are holding people back from being open, people who never were open or who never will be again, and just bad luck, things aren't too fun right now. But it will also take some time to right the ship - IF - they actually realize things are not as good as they should be.

1 minute ago, MrBox said:

Ther is no sence in remark posible improvement for RLC with thing that work just fine. 

Maybe because the residents do not hide when they eat lunch or while they tie there shoes. They normaly only hide there sex and nudity (now only Rita). That is a good reason, or not? 

BTW, I would also like to complain about apartments without any guests. But this is normal for some people so it is not a good point to bring to discussion. Hiding is much more obvious and substantial. 

That was my original point. The complaints are all about sex, and different people handle sex in different ways. Some are open, some are not. THAT, is what is defined as "real life".

I believe RLC is re-thinking the apartment. If Carla actually did leave, they have to replace them with a new couple, and they probably aren't ready for that. The broken table, I'm sure, is a minor inconvenience.

1 minute ago, MrBox said:

Just read some more posts and find out that this topic is not seen so shallow by all people here. ... It is pretty easy to understand: There is not any sense in watching people hiding on a page like RLC. The whole idea is the openness. If the people have there "Real Life" outside or hide it when there are in the apartment it is not worth the effort.  

You should not confuse this issue with the frequency or the performance of sex that can be seen on RLC. Sex is not the same as reality but a part of it. .... Nobody (or few) gives $45 a month to see just sex or just a teasing only show*. It is for "Real Life".  "Real Life" is one part that makes this page worth paying and fun to watch. :) ... The casting (e.g. good looking, sympathetic and interesting people, .. ) and the technial quality (good video quality, good service, multiple streams, ... )makes the page then complete. ... It is not all about the sex. But it is also not only about everything except sex. 

_{*) Sex can be seen for free by search on google with the keyword "SEX". ;)}

Have you actually read what you posted?

"" There is not any sense in watching people hiding on a page like RLC. ""

"" If the people have there "Real Life" outside or hide it when there are in the apartment it is not worth the effort.  ""

"" Sex is not the same as reality but a part of it. ""

"" "Real Life" is one part that makes this page worth paying and fun to watch. ""

""It is not all about the sex. But it is also not only about everything except sex.  ""

Ok, "there is no sense in watching people hiding". Hiding what? Sex?  Hmmmm

"If people have their real life outside...". Like what? Shopping? Clubbing? Eating out? Or are we talking about sex again? Personally, I don't think we care to watch them shop, going to clubs (which would be difficult anyway), or eating out. We must be talking about sex again.

"Sex is not the same as reality but part of it" Yes, sex is part of reality. We actually agree here.

"Real life is one part that makes this page worth paying for and fun to watch" You mean the eating, bathing, watching tv, arguing, excercising stuff, right? I think they do all that stuff already.

"It is not all about sex. But it is also not about everything except sex." I agree. And as far as I see, everything else happens every day in every apartment.

YET, the complaints are ONLY about sex, and hiding from sex, and not showing skin.

Once again we get into what is real and what is not. Some of you guys talk like nothing ever changes in life and everyone is identical to everyone else. The complaint is usually like this...

Apt 1, 4, and 7 are "real". They don't hide, they walk around naked, and they have sex on the couch.

Apt 2,3,5, and 9 are kinda "real" but the girls wear clothes too much.

Apt 6, 8, and 10 are totally fake. They have sex under blankets, the guy is always telling the girl to cover herself up, and sometimes they go days without sex.

Guess what? What I just described is EXACTLY what real life is. It IS NOT people that walk around naked 24/7, have sex 4 times a day on the couch, and masturbate in full view. Real life is different things all the time.

RLC has to live with this too, unless you think they should "demand" all couple have sex at least 3 times a day and they don't provide blankets or rooms without cameras.

Get over it guys. This IS real life, it's not a porn channel.

I am pretty sure they have "shared" each other, but they have kept most of it hidden. Tonight, Sasha has his left arm around the guest's neck and his left hand is resting on her breast. Much too close not to mean something with Masha sleeping next to them.

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Go ahead, tell me you wouldn't jump all over that :)

Some of Elisa's best shots...

Maybe my timing has been bad, but are both guests still at the apartment? No one is sleeping on the couch - and for that matter, I haven't seen anyone in the living room for a few days.

24 minutes ago, van the man said:

Having been a big fan of RLC for a few years I think my interest is finally running out. I think the stupid squeeze RLC are putting on members of CC is adding to my dissolution with the whole project.

RLC need to be careful what they are doing with the project. Punishing their customers and over charging them is no way to build a lasting business. I understand that the majority of customers live in the US but because of the strength of the dollar for almost every other country $45 is way out of reach.  

RLC viewership has dropped 20% since January (60m hits to 48m hits). If we assume the same drop in subscriptions, RLC is facing a downward spiral. So, instead of marketing their product, they are isolating it from even more customers. Strange business plan. PS: The US represents about 27% of their viewership.

11 minutes ago, ze81 said:

Does anyone know how the most popular views of rlc works?Someone in here said the previews tumbs show the most views..but its the most view the thumb of top lefth?I say this because today the bottom previews tumbs starting from bottom right seem to be the most view..it as Kami lotion body,then Elisa..and the ones on top here C&m and d&d.

First off, no one knows except RLC "exactly" how it's done, but being a career software architect my guess is simply most clicks over the last X minutes. That's likely what your seeing - if some action starts in a certain room, it takes a few minutes before the software counts up enough clicks to move the thumbnail up the list.

4 minutes ago, mr1010 said:

Thank you Alan. Where are the negative reps pal? It is true what you say and thanks for the sex ed pal, lol!

I thought for sure I'd get a few. Taking a position against the grain of popular opinion usually gets one in trouble. Maybe in this case, I hit on some logic at the right time. I think many of us are aware that we're all kinda pissed off, and there's no one to slap, so we take it out on each other over little stuff. Well, my subscription is over, so I'm watching the free cams now. I'll be hard pressed to be convinced to put out $45 again.

5 minutes ago, Thestarider said:

that is because the Mods have already cleaned out the trash Alan

 

Ok. We probably should give them a chance to keep things clean until people get use to doing per the new layout. I understand the frustration, but as with anything - if people do it right, it should work.

PS: And Harly is right about the frequency of posting as well. Not much going on recently. Between that and RLC hard-handed approach to banning, the pics/vids posted has dropped significantly. We'll have to see if this ultimately hurts RLC or not - nothing we're going to find out too soon...

24 minutes ago, Thestarider said:

Yes Slider if you like to read 4 pages of comments about nothing but BS that do not even pertain to what was posted be it in a picture or the video. If I want to read 75 pages of crap all I have to do is go the Girls thread.

If I want pictures now I go the free porn or the gallery........... so I dont have read all the crap that is posted where it should not be posted as it very rarely pertains to the picture or video, 

HUGE STEP BACKWARDS the forum was exceptionally clean and concise with the new threads, and now it is just jumble of BS again.

Too Bad old farts can't accept change, never have been able to and never will be able to. VERY SAD developments with this Forum. This was Camcaps, but now is just  Camchats 

I'm not sure I understand the complaint....

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3 minutes ago, StnCld316 said:

This solves that.  They won't sucker $45 from me. I'll just stay with the Free Cams for now. You can almost bet that someday RLC will make the whole thing Premium and scrap the free viewing.

Then everyone has to Pay to Play.

I agree they will cut down on the free cams, but they can't do all of them. People won't spend that kind for money if they don't know what they are going to see.  I think they will get down to a half-dozen free apartments and the rest will be blocked without a subscription.

Just now, happyone said:

This might settle the thumbnail issue.  This is from RLC itself when they want you to become premium

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Gee, someone actually looked it up :D Good Job!

7 minutes ago, maxfactor said:

It's fucking simple...look at the thumbs from #1 to 7 right now #1 is the C&S in the bath (which is typically the type of thing that people like to look at on here) next is Elisa getting ready to go out in her room far from the camera, next is Elisa closer to the camera, next Is Zoya far and then Zoya close, then Paul and Laura and then Hector and susan in their room.  All very popular people, events and locations...Sasha and Dasha who are continuously moving  in their respective kitchens at the moment do not make it into the top 6 cameras.  That's my deduction...it's my theory on why movement is not the only fucking factor you conspiracy idiot.  people are watching what they want/hope to see and the thumbs are ranking it

Exactly. The thumbnails are ordered by how many clicks to open those rooms are recorded.

1 minute ago, phantomcapsnet said:

Yes RLC is a porn site. So what ?

MrBox was making a point that he didn't want to see porn; I simply pointed out when someone purposely masturbates for a camera, it is, by definition porn.

19 minutes ago, MrBox said:

That could be the misunderstanding. ... For me, "REAL LIFE" means a behavior as it would be in an apartment without cameras. ... That is what I expect to see on RLC. And that means, of course that the residents need to overcome there shyness, because there are cameras. ... I think, this is almost mandatory to make a project as RLC working. .... If all the residents hide, this project would be over very soon. 

 

There is no difference: Sex and masturbation are a part of the "real life" of people. It should not be excluded. I expect to see normal people that have friends over from time to time that prepare there meals, have showes without hiding, have arguments, have fun, .... and also have sex. Each of the resident seams to have a level of participation they agree to show to the project as it would normaly happen. I think, this level should include at least all the points mentioned (including the sex). This do not mean that all residents need to have sex. But if there is a group of residens that would never agree to have sex there, i would rather like to see them to be replaced with different people. 

What i do not expect is porn. This is why i disliked to see blue doing her cam sessions on RLC and why i do not like the content of VV. 

Maybe it is a good idea to get back to the video this discussion is suppose to be about. ... I would really like you to give an answer to my question:  Do you really see no difference in the pattern how they masturbate between the girls apartments (Barcelona and K&K) and the girls of the other apartments (like Dasha, Zoya, Nelly, ...) besides the obvious hiding under the bed blanket?

I thought I answered that point. No difference other than the personalities involved. Zoya and Nelly have no issues masturbating for the camera, Kristy does. That doesn't make Kristy's masturbation "fake" - it makes her more modest. If you can't see that, we have no room to agree.

PS: And Zoya and Leora masturbating for the camera IS, by definition, porn.

40 minutes ago, MrBox said:

Do you really see no difference in the pattern between this two groups of  girls (besides the obvious hiding under the bed blanket)? ... If you want to believe that it is real, no argument I provide will be abel to reach you.

 

You are confusing "real life" with "expectations".

REAL LIFE is what people do depending on their lifestyle, upbringing, and confidence. Kristy is has a moral code that will allow her to take a bath with a camera, but not masturbate or have sex in the apartment (so far).

EXPECTATION is what makes many viewers here sit and watch these girls for hours and days in the hope of seeing masturbation and sex.

As much as people here SAY they want to see "real life", the reason they pay $45/m or join CC is to see masturbation and sex. If this wasn't true, these discussions wouldn't be taking place.

That's not to say it's a bad thing, but we have to accept it for what it is. We also have to accept these are not actors, nor are they porn stars. They are REAL people - ALL of which have DIFFERENT morals and backgrounds. Zoya has no issue with pointing her pussy at the camera and masterbating. I could question whether this is real life because I don't know if she's doing it to get off, or doing it specifically for us. Kristy masturbates under the covers hidden. I could question whether this is real life because I don't know if she's doing it to get off, or doing it specifically for us.

The point is, once the cameras were installed, this failed to be real life. What it is are people living out their life in an apartment with cameras. Each and every one of them is going to react to that differently - and WE need to understand and accept that.

I may be off base here, but it's worth stating.

I can't help but wonder if Rasputin is in some kind of religious cult. His approach to sitting down, his refusal to have open sex, the funny thing he does when washing his face (if you can call it that).

This would also explain why Vika is hand-and-foot all over him. "Serving" him is some kind of duty to her. Having sex only under his conditions is a rule or law.

When you look at it this way, it all makes some sense (except her bragging to the girls how much she likes sex and how much her BF understands this).

I guess a little white lie to the girls is understandable.

1 hour ago, MrBox said:

Do you think this was a real one?

You are not the only one who has not seen anything here. ... This is the normal procedure every teasing girl seams to use to fake a masturbation: Wiggle the coverlet and have a strained face. ... But it seams to work. People buy this show as real. ... It is a bit sad, because a fast comparision with the girls that  actually masturbate for real (like Zoya, Dasha, Masha, Nelly) clearly shows the difference and in included on the same page.

Geez, I can't believe we are AGAIN on this "fake" issue.

Projection: I will get at least 3 Bad Reps for this post, and I guarantee you one of them will be from Harley.

I swear to god that some of you have no understanding what-e-so-ever of the female orgasm...

ORGASM 101

You DO know (god, i hope so) that females do not orgasm in the same way men do? Men get a hard on (I can't believe I'm writing this), and advance to ONE explosive orgasm. Women, in the same time it takes a man to reach his, can have many orgasms. If things go according to plan, and the guy actually does the things a female needs to get there, each female orgasm will build to a similar "explosive" orgasm. Something to think about - why do you think so many women claim their partner didn't pay attention to her needs?

Kristy had an orgasm, period.

If you actually paid attention, instead of moaning about her covering herself up, you would have noticed she was looking for something on her phone to get her aroused. The 3rd video(?) she found gave her enough time to get there. Yes, it was a small orgasm, but likely all she was looking for to ease the sexual tension she felt.

Now, let's talk about the covers...

The girl has some modesty. If you haven't figured that out by now, your not paying attention. She giggles when she sees Kami's pussy. She covers herself because she doesn't want to be seen on the internet with her hand in her panties - or worse, with her finger inside herself. Most of us would love a girl with a little modesty - only willing to get dirty and nasty behind closed doors.

The trouble with some of you guys is you want a full blown squirting orgasm 3 inches from the camera. WTF, you paid $45 (at least some of you did) and you want to see it ALL. WHat you want, guys, is a porn star. And there are plenty of those all over the internet.

Apparently, what you DON'T want is "real life"

49 minutes ago, mr1010 said:

Alan, your point by point analysis is like usual spot on. You, like I, understand human nature.

As I have said, rlc doesn't script things. Now do people act differently because of the cameras? Of course they do, for a variety of reasons.

As for the girls apartments. There is where I have an issue. K & K's stroking starts to feel fake. Do they love each other as good friends? Of course they do. Are they bi or wanting to have sex with each other? I do not think so. So why not stop the fake stuff? Be like ordinary friends as they actually are. Snaky spoke to this the other day. At that time I didn't totally agree. Now, I think I mostly agree. But what snaky didn't understand is that the girls by their actions cause a lot of the confusion. Not just the translations. If they weren't trying to convince us they might help each other get off, the translations would not make sense and we would know they were saying what we wanted to hear. They have to know we can translate what they say. Strap on dildos, really Kristy? Pornos with a girl spread like an eagle and a girl stroking near her pussy (just like Kristy was doing at the time), really Kami? And then there is the bating. Kristy does it under the covers or under water. Kami gave us a show one time, pumped us up got our blood going.

In Barcelona, I  need say very little. Danaya and Adele, have we seen a more fake thing ever? Vika, Ilona, Elisa gave us much nudity early on. Irma I know she is every one's favorite and I loved her, but she gave us a masterful bate that was clearly a show early on. Bating with her ass in the air with her fingers from underneath. Really? I have seen many pornos just like that. And Zoya gives us great bates. But do we think she is not playing to the cameras? She even looks at herself in the mirror while she does it. And she is an artist and an actress.

Look, everyone, I will take the shows. Let's face it, I want to see beautiful women playing with themselves, going nude, acting sexy, fucking their bf's (the couples), sucking dick, eating cum, eating out girls. Would the fuck wouldn't? After all real porn is obviously fake too. But, I wish they would not just tease. Either do it because they want it or because they get off on being exhibitionists, or don't do it at all. And I do want nudity in a voyeur sex site. Even Rita shows herself in the shower.

And all of what I have said says nothing about what I think of them personally. I love Kami & Kristy. I loved Irma and Anna. Elisa is beautiful and sexy. Rita is classy and beautful. Danaya was beautiful. And all of these women are I am sure nice people in real life. I hold nothing against any of them.

I just want the teasing to stop.

Let me throw a curveball... Why couldn't they be teasing with one another?

Remember the K&K bath with rabbit ears? They were all over each other AND enjoying it. Remember the time Kristy was going to lay between Kami's legs and saw her honey hole? I'll never forget that embarrassed giggle - it was real. Remember when Kristy's hands were under Kami's shorts rubbing her ass, and Kami finally pulled Kristy's hand out? I believe Kami was afraid to let it go any further.

We shouldn't mistake them teasing with each other as teasing with us. In those moments, we're probably the furthest thing from their minds. Do they tease "us" sometimes? Sure. And we love it :)

As far as Barcelona, I would agree. These girls don't know each other nearly as well as K&K and they certainly aren't soul mates the way K&K are. Now and then they know they should do something more than just walk around naked, and for some of them, bathing together or jumping around on the bed is a lot less personal than Bating. If we want them to stop, however, the next thing that will happen here, on CC, are complaints of how boring things are. It's already going on now because all three girls have basically stopped pretty much everything.

Be careful what you ask for LOL