beardman

VV has arrived.

6 minutes ago, beardman said:

Cheating on your wife or gf has no rules. You should know that! Rules count for faking it.

You still don't get it. I can't, just like you, watch VV the whole night but I amuse myself with CC and therefore I write about it. But I can't take it all very seriously. Maybe I''m too old or too smart.

5 minutes ago, jabbath1987 said:

You still dont get it. They dont want to play by rules. Install a cam in hallway and they will hide somewhere else. Hallway cams are useless. People have to follow the rules.

And Anita / Carmen for sure takes all of her stuff out of the closet and puts it in her bags because its such more comfortable to live out of the bag.

And if you are not OK with 10 pages of comments here simply dont read it. Nobody forces you to do it. But stop complaining here.

Cheating on your wife or gf has no rules. You should know that! Rules count for faking it.

What a night of suspense!  At last something happens and 'nobody complains' but the responsable actors have to leave (??). CC (congregation of complainers) is happy with 10 pages more. Only Anita doesn't read CC and therefore doesn't know that she has to leave. Watching VV is like life itself: ideals almost never come true.

If Alex has fucked Carmen, I can think of only one reason: to hit Anna. Carmen is not very attractive (except her face) and Alex has/had time and opportunity enough to find and fuck another Moscovian girl, without the problems he now maybe has. But then I cannot understand why it had to be done in secret. Unless it all is staged.

If I was boss of VV now, I would hesitate to place a cam more at Tula. Long live the suspense! But the existing cams have to be 100%.

1 hour ago, miscvoyeur said:

And for the record, nobody here is forcing these people to fuck. I won't speak for anybody but myself but I personally have said time and time again that I do not need these people to fuck 24/7 nor do I feel these people are "obliged" to perform anything. And I'm not the one that thinks these people are just "working." These tenants are free to do whatever and whoever they want and at whatever frequency they want, in my opinion. The issue is not the acts that are being performed or not performed. The issue is the fact that they are in a house full of cameras where members pay money to watch and through no fault of their actions are not able to. If Alex and Carmen never fucked and/or never had any intention of fucking, then so be it. I wouldn't care one way or another. But the fact is that they are, or to some degree, are doing something and it's not being shown because they choose to hide. THAT is the real issue.

If you don't pay, you don't force them; if you pay, you do. It's not for the hot winters in Moscow (last week -25 degr.C) that they walk around half-naked. If they don't fuck or seem to go for a fuck, CC is full of complaints. I agree with you that the possibility of unexpected sex is more entertaining than expected sex but many here need their half hour fucking on screen every day. As I wrote today, I don't think much sex happened last night, but supposed and not seen sex is exciting and eventually frustrating. Note: I was the first to suggest a new cam in the hall of Tula and eventually one in the loggia.

Then the payers know for sure whether something interesting happens; the others like me can see the small pictures and guess.

Often CC is more entertaining than VV. My guess is that nothing has happened last night in Tula but that produced at least 17 pages on CC. VV has solved the problem of finding people for their apartments. They can use virgins who are prepared to show a pair of legs and a couple of nipples every day and are instructed to leave the room regularly in pairs for 30-60 minutes and return with an innocent look. That's no problem for any Russian.

It is clear that the sex-obsessed people are on this side of the cams. For the players it is partly work. It makes no sense for them to work on a place where their boss (VV) and the paying public cannot find them. Specially the males have to keep their 'gunpowder' dry. In their position I would hide to be not obliged to perform sexual acts.

Just like MFC  VV aim their show at american people. They know or they think that one finds there the greatest percentage of sexually frustrated people. That is a self-fulfilling prophecy because paying for nights without sleep isn't very attractive for europeans.

About Alex and the girls: Anna is very certain of Alex staying with her. She also understands that Alex like many men has a problem with losing his independency and therefore shows him a few times a day that he is hers, builds herself a good relation with the girls and in between gives him some space to feel himself a 'free man'. I doubt even whether she would be very shocked when Alex had a little adventure with one or both of these girls, if that would improve his self-esteem.

1 hour ago, jabbath1987 said:

Dont think so. Was just a lazy day today in Tver. All were eating together like always unpacked that strange package which contained soap and lotion together and I saw them laughing as always. Lex and Iris are not the kind of people isolating Zoe and Jack

Glad to hear that. I have only looked twice and a number of times at the records. Only an hour ago i saw a picture of Jack+Zoe+Lex; so my impression was accidental. Avoiding could have been caused by mutual embarassment; we don't know the reason of the fight.

49 minutes ago, dennisjf12 said:

You might find if the cams you want are installed, membership prices go up

That would be not reasonable: Tver and Voro have 13 cams, Sofia 12 and Tula only 9.

I have not watched Tver much today. My impression was that the 2 pairs avoid each other. Is that true?

2 minutes ago, golfer06 said:

you are right as usual. they probably just had a big group hug and everything is fine. NOT!

I'm not blind.

1 minute ago, miscvoyeur said:

I saw pu

I saw punches thrown just a few minutes before the really big fight in the hallway.

I don't doubt the fight: Alex and Nick had small injuries. But no one has seen the combattants clearly.

1 minute ago, Amy3 said:

Well, just look at who is not in Voro and the lines are clear.  Jack and Zoe against the rest.

That is rather clear; first the girls and then the guys. The other guys have no problems with each other.

Speculations, speculations about a fight that no one saw. Extrapolating this and we don't need cams anymore.

5 minutes ago, jabbath1987 said:

One thing is for sure when there is drama in VV its always Voro

Except when it is elsewhere; Tver for instance

16 hours ago, astra said:

Sorry for that google automatic translation French / English

You maybe could give both the french original and the translated version. I too have difficulty to understand your posts.

Iris, indeed, has changed a lot since her arrival. If it is a positive change (for her, I mean) can be doubted. The first months she was absent during the day 3-4 times during a week and was frequently seen with a textbook. If she did a study, she has given it up now. Now she is more dependent of VV (-earnings), will probably stay as long as possible and turn into a new Petra. This time with a partner.

Lex is a loving partner but is fully dependant of her; she tells him what to do, even during sex. One can see it from his bodily attitude: always curved knees, awaiting instructions. 

6 hours ago, Amy3 said:

Do you think we have that much influence? 

Not on VV-management; if they easily could do better, they would.  The best, however, that a male participant can hope for is that he isn't mentioned on CC. If they all read CC, we don't know. I would say: if they know of CC, they will read it. 

6 hours ago, miscvoyeur said:

Well it certainly doesn't help when everybody tends to be overly critical of every single guy that steps foot in the apartments. Seriously, there hasn't been one guy on here that at best just gets ridiculed for some arbitrary reason and at worst gets labeled as a rapist or some kind of assailant. And then those same people turn around and wonder and complain why VV can't find guys to join.

Indeed. I would think twice. Ivo has stopped posting. 

5 hours ago, astra said:

For me personally a tattooed girl I find it very sexy here is just my personal opinion quat me same I have tattoo too

Setting a large tattoo on your skin is seldom beautyfull and always short-sighted. 'Live now, cry later'. I certainly will not see it but I try to visualize these bodies after, say, 40 years. Think of it: a complete home for the elderly with blue-purple bodies because of a short-lived fashion of 25 years earlier.

An hour ago Anna was talking to Nelly and the new girl (has she a name?) in the kitchen very seriously. That must have been about business (VV and Tula). It has struck me that the door was closed, that Nelly was present and that Ann was not. It gives me a strong suspicion that Ann will leave in short time and Nelly will return.

12 minutes ago, miscvoyeur said:

Do not lump me in with the rest of what people think. I have never reproached Anita for being selective. I don't even agree with that statement. She's had two guys with her so far and she only half way rejected one of them. The other guy she fucked multiple times throughout the weekend. When people say she's too selective I literally have no idea what they are talking about.

I criticize her for being boring, which does not necessarily include watching fuck all the time. I also criticize Anna and Alex for being just as boring and they have frequent sex last time I checked. There are no parties here. No excitement. No chemistry. Nothing. Anita drags her ass around not doing a damn thing but watching TV. She spends a good amount of time outside of the house doing god knows what (I'm not going to speculate on whether she fucks for money outside of the house because at the end of the day, no one knows for sure no matter how sure they think they are). Compared to Tver where the energy level of the 4 is amazing and at this point I don't even care to see any of them fuck anymore because their is now boring for me. Lex just fucked Iris on the couch not to long ago and I couldn't even be bothered to watch.

And as for the "are these girls prostitutes or not" argument, I'm not even going to engage that anymore. They're not. Unless you show me in the contract where it specifically states that they get money for having sex, they're not prostitutes. Like I stated before, they're not paid to fuck. They're paid to live in the house. Now what they choose to do in the house is up to them and just because people only want to see sex doesn't mean they're SUPPOSED to fuck for anyone. That's all I have to say about that. And if you want to say otherwise then we'll just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

And finally, who cares if I or anyone wants to see a normal sexlife? 

I'm sorry you didn't understand me fully. I only say: normal life is boring, at least for outsiders. That's the problem for VV and a lot of watchers.

1 hour ago, dennisjf12 said:

It's all Alex, I watched him us his khee to shove Ann away, if sex is not his idea he want nothing to do with ann, I have seen him twist her arm to keep her from leaving the room, he is a A-hole, VV needs to do something about him

Almost everyone here  has a lot of (understandable) criticism on Alex and how he behaves towards women. On the other hand I establish that of all the males present in VV, Alex has the greatest sex-appeal (in the land of the blind 'one-eye' is king). Petra, Jacky, Ann and even Iris have tried to seduce him. No one of them has shown a clear and during aversion of him. Alex himself obviously has a problem with his own sexual role in VV. As long as we don't understand their language, we don't pass speculations. I speculate that Alex uses viagra and therefore has many (or 1 permanent) erections but only a few orgasms. He should stop trying to behave as a super pornstar and instead accept that he is allowed to behave as a normal fallible man, even on VV.

Now he takes out his dissatisfacton (with his supposed role) on every woman that shows some interest.

Furthermore he should take singing lessons; he has a wonderfull bariton voice. That would give him a goal in his life and restore his self-esteem.

13 minutes ago, miscvoyeur said:

There is a huge difference. Prostitutes are paid by a man for a sole purpose of having sex. These people are not paid to have sex. They are paid to live in a house. And moreso, are not obligated to fuck whoever gets put in front of them. Sonia is married and only fucks Ivo. Iris, Lisa, Anna and Boobie are all in committed relationships and will only have sex with their boyfriends. If you think there is no difference between the two, then you have to concede that every body in RLC are prostitutes and every camgirl that does shows with their boyfriends or husbands are prostitutes as well.

They are not forced by VV directly but by the customers. Half of the comments here are about 'no or not enough sex'. You have a weird idea of prostitution. An independent prostitute, and that is what we are talking about, has no obligation to fuck every man. She cannot be very critical if she wants to earn. You and others have reproached Ann for being to selective and not accepting the guys that VV(!!) chooses for her. Spoken about freedom of choice.

And indeed, as Amy wrote, all these girls are a kind of prostitutes and SO WHAT!! They earn with their bodies and as and because  I look at it, I have no right to say something negative about it. Neither do I want a Clintonesque discussion about what is sex and what is not.  I will hope that you don't mean to see normal sexlife on VV? It's not a normal life and therefore not a normal sexlife (a lot of sex and almost no orgasms!) [Maybe I must exclude Sofia that I as a non-payer can't see properly. They had a rather normal sexlife and therefore got a lot of complaints here]  That they stay with their partner is understandable: there is life after VV (I hope for them).

6 minutes ago, Amy3 said:

Like I said, who cares if she's a street walker or whatever outside of VV. That's not the issue so much. The problem is that she is taking up space for someone else who could possibly deliver sexiness while on VV. Anita fails in that regard. So sick of the ugly, unsexy clothes that she wears. Never want to see Batman again.

You and I don't care, but others? I can't believe VV is content with her; I don't, however, know anything about the terms of her VV-contract. As long as she tried (seriously or not) to seduce Alex, I found her entertaining but the last weeks she has a behaviour suggesting that nothing in Tula is of her business.