JenniferMom

You do this often. You take a more outlandish speculation and use it to prove your narrative that Martina and Alberto are a happy committed couple. I actually do not think Martina is fucking the big guy Dani. God I hope not. But this doesn't prove anything regarding what Martina does off-cam and how she feels about Alberto. And instead of providing evidence to support your narrative, you would rather trash people like @philo who makes strong evidence-based arguments here. Again, as strong as his arguments are, they are also just speculations. What you do is similar to what @girlsfun2 does that you hate. You used a more wild speculation to support your narrative. Of course I don't think half the things Girlsfun suggests Martina is into is real. But they COULD be. You seem totally closed to anything that does not protray Martina as a saint. My narrative is simple: I do not think Martina and Alberto are commited lovers that will be together for a long time. I *could* be wrong and I have even said that if I had to bet $100 I might bet on your narrative over mine. But there is simply too much evidence that suggests this relationship is NOT on good footing. You choose to ignore that completely. Like right now something seems to be going on between these two ... they do not seem happy. Maybe we just wait until a translator tells you what's up and you can share it with us. Also, you are so quick to report that Martina has stopped having all-nighters. Tell us this in a month and it might have some merit. We were also told that Martina stopped fucking Nelly. Until it started again in the parking lot. And then a trip together. Human behavior rarely changes overnight. It looks to me like she is getting ready to go out tonight. So much for that. We will see. I will stipulate that the wild grandiose speculations can be a bit unsettling to someone who has serious affection for this girl. But that's all they are. We have no evidence to suggest they are true or not true. And like I keep saying, there is a vast space between the extremes here. Yes I don't think Martina is a nymphomaniac slut fucking every chance she gets. But I also don't believe she is totally committed to Alberto as the love of her life. You seem to want us to wish the both of them to be happy. We can wish all we want but only THEY will determine if they are happy together. All I wish for is for Martina to be happy and Alberto to be happy no matter where their future leads them. PS: If this post seems like a duplicate it might be. I wrote it on my phone but can't seem to find it. Wonder if it landed somewhere else. You think my posts are long? Try writing them twice!!!

Bravo! I don’t challenge him enough??? I could do more but people don’t like this so much. Two strong points Philo but a little worried about the rest of this post. Watch teams? Really? But unlike some here, I think you COULD be right. Who knows.

Just as important as it is for other members to knock down these speculations, to imply that “nothing is happening” which itself is nothing more than a pure speculation.

Again again again ... it is NOT that hard to believe. But it is also quite possible that she has hooked up when she is away. She has done it before. She has been quoted that "no one controls me" and it is obvious she is a very free spirited person. And she rarely does her partying and socializing with her boyfriend, which in itself is not very relationship healthy. She has voiced concern on where her relationship is going with the "ni ni". They don't appear to be exclusive and to one of your points, she tells Alberto everything and he accepts it. Not sure why you think she has to be a compulsive liar for my view of this to be true. She tells Alberto everything. If you agree that it is "more possible than not that she is just having fun with friends" then we can find common ground. But you continue to respond strongly to any suggestion to the contrary. You have an agenda of some sort. I am not good at not having the last word, but I will keep trying.

I know I said I was done but I have some prerogative I think and besides I am responding to my good friend DD. I can rationalize like anyone here! Let’s all agree that we all want the best for this couple and we all want them to have true happiness. This is not the issue. Who wants to see these two or any cast member suffer or not be happy in life? In fact I have been touched by how people care about some of these cast members who clearly exhibit recklessness at times (e.g. Gina). Almost all posters here have good hearts and want the best for these people who show us their lives like this. What has bothered me about DeepDave is that he seems to have some agenda around protecting Martina’s significant time off cam and away from her love and soul mate Alberto. He wants us to believe that she is a celibate goody two shoes and I am skeptical about this. I’ve even conceded as much that he maybe correct but he is unyielding and seems to vociferously defend her off-cam behavior at any cost. Even this past weekend the narrative is they went together to a music festival and how nice it is to see this couple be together. But the on-cam evidence is they left separate, came home separate, and I am not aware of any evidence they were together at all this weekend. I hope I am wrong. This is what I find curious and perhaps a bit troubling. Despite our differences I hope DeepDave is right and these two go on to live a happy life. She could do much worse than Alberto. But continue to count me as skeptical. Her all night excursions don’t make for a healthy relationship IMHO. When anyone brings this up, all we hear from the Deep’s is “it works for them”. Well to me that is sweeping this under the rug. I will continue to try to back away from all of this. I know some of you are tired of this and I apologize.

I’ll let the people who liked my comment speak for themselves but I will go out on a limb and say we pretty much all like Martina and in many cases love Martina. And we like this couple. You think my post was negative? I adore Martina and frankly she is the only reason I am still here after 18 months. A lot worse has been said about cast members in other apartments. People were brutal over Serafina and Bruno. Nothing like that is ever said here about these two. You find calling her a free spirit negative? Really? I give up. I’m done. Apologies to everyone for making this about DeepDave. I wish Martina and Alberto the very best no matter where their lives take them.

Again, why are you so invested in the long-term monogamous committed relationship between these two? You protect them almost like Pulio and others protect Leora. You have some ulterior motive. If the people here were outright hostile to Martina and Alberto, then I could see someone good natured as you wanting to defend them. Yes there have been negative speculations, perhaps the most damning one being that perhaps Martina is a prostitute. But by and large I think most people here -- the ones who are not in the "they are going to live happily ever after" camp -- simply feel that Martina is a free spirit and she is going to do whatever she is going to do. Some feel that Alberto shouldn't put up with her crap; but that too is not really that caustic or mean-spirited in my view. He actually does seem to be used by her. The only way he isn't being used is if they are simply fuck buddies. You get really upset at @girlsfun2 but honestly she wishes more for Martina to be happy than you do. You actually seem to want to force these two to be together for ever and ever. And based on what we have seen (me for 18 months or so) ... it appears she has a ton of ways to be happy and more happier than being with Alberto.

She really gets under your skin doesn’t she? This in itself is revealing.

How many bottles of Porto would you leave her as a tip?

Likewise for me Thing. It's good to see him make an effort. But I think when it comes to socializing, they are fundamentally opposite. Alberto is introverted and Martina is extroverted. We have said this many times. So you either have to believe in the theory that opposites attract ... or you have to hope one or both might change over time to become more compatible. And change does not come easy to humans. Time will tell.

Thinking about the two times in Martina and Alberto’s bedroom. Those were late afternoon if I recall and don’t know what they had to drink. Perhaps a glass of wine. But they were not shit faced for sure. This is the million dollar question, right? Do you really believe from the time we saw Nelly and Martina last make love on cam … up to today … that Martina has not had sex with anyone other than Alberto? Maybe. I am very open minded on this. You could persuade me either way but without strong evidence I prefer to remain neutral and open minded rather than be persuaded by a handful of people here who claim to know the facts.

Thank God the almighty trusted translators have shared this fact with you so that you can share it with all of us.

My agenda is simply trying to understand what's going on with this couple. I feel like I am a detective trying to solve a mystery. I don't care really what happens to this couple one way or the other; I just want to know what is real and authentic. ------------- The above is my official answer. Three sentences. Not sure what a "set" is. I could interpret a "set" as a paragraph but I think that would defeat the purpose of the limit you placed on me!

TLE is crushing it today.

Philo says what I am thinking albeit it more coarsely and concisely. But it occurred to me, you rail against speculations but in fact you offered several speculations right here. Let's stipulate that everything we can't see on cam or understand verbally is a speculation. Yes your speculations may not be as bombastic or flamboyant as "Martina is a hooker", but they are speculations nonetheless.

No one has forgotten about Nelly's problem. You say that when Nelly drinks she is "not very nice"? Is this true? I don't recall her being nasty. The issue is she is a sloppy drunk. She loses all inhibition (talking about her girlfriend that she loves, going to her room with her panties around her ankles, etc.). But I do not recall Nelly being "nasty". She's actually a bit of a loving individual. I will admit I think she is a bit manipulative and this might be considered nasty. But never nasty toward Martina. You say Alberto does not like Nelly because she is a bad influence on Martina. What evidence do you have to support this? I can imagine he might not care for Nelly because who wants to share their partner with anyone else? But this is exactly what he has agreed to. He sees how happy Martina is with Nelly and even let them fuck while he played video games. You tell us that "they have an agreement and it works for them". I don't often agree with you but I agree with this. Her bisexuality is an accepted part of their relationship. Now you tell us that Alberto doesn't like Nelly. Which is it? And how can this relationship be so solid, as you tell us, when one side does not like who the other is fucking? Why would continuing to keep her friendship with Nelly affect her school work? You have maintained all along that sex between Nelly and Martina has ended. Except the parking lot. Maybe except this most recent excursion into the woods. You tell us to never mind the exceptions, they are just friends and not having sex. Why would such a nice friendship like that be a burden to schoolwork? In fact, having a good friend might help with the pressures of school or a job. I continue to think you have some sort of an agenda here centered around a need to protect this couple.

Enough said. TLE nails it. I personally don't know what Martina finds in Nelly; however, if I could sit with Martina and she could tell me, I would get it. For women this is very emotional. it's not like comparing the features of two cars that a guy is trying to decide which one to buy.

So of all of the RLC women (not sure I had to specify women but to be clear in case there was a doubt) ... Who has the best titties? Who has the best ass?

I don’t think it is speculation to believe their relationship is some form of an open relationship. Alberto literally played video games while Martina and Nelly made love in the bedroom. It’s possible that Alberto does not approve of this and was hurt by this and this could be evidence that the relationship is not open and Martina abuses the relationship. Now this would be a wild speculation! If true, then shame on Alberto for not growing a pair of balls and leaving her. I think we can all safely agree that their relationship is open … not wide open … in that Martina is allowed to have female lovers and Alberto is OK with that (although I don’t think he can stop her). Also think they are both OK with threesomes. The biggest defenders here do not believe Martina fucks other guys … and while I am always skeptical, I think this is an accurate assessment.

Don't disagree Dino. But let's compare Holly and Thor to Masha and Sam. It seems like Masha and Sam are long time fuck buddies and I can't imagine them getting pissed off at each other like we just saw with Holly and Thor. So emotions are important but in some relationships they just don't seem to play a big role.

It's funny how many of us quickly want to see relationships here be successful. I know, I know ... I am one of the most obsessed over the relationships we see on-cam. But why do we care? Don't we just want to see great sex?

Brilliant point by Moos. I have tried to explain this multiple times before with regards to Martina and Alberto, etc. but that old book "Men are from Mars and Women from Venus" does in fact make a lot of sense. A lot of you guys are too black and white. This is a "business relationship" or "they are in love". It has to be either one or the other. I actually think it can be shades of grey. I think they might have started down this in an adventurous "what the fuck, we get paid to do this" sort of a spirit. They are young and have their lives ahead of them (insert favorite DDHM words here). Ultimately it is a business relationship or FWB of sorts. But they have some feelings for each other as well. They both are probably realistic enough to know if it doesn't work out, so be it. But all FWB relationships (as I keep reminding you all) need to have some connection between the couple in order to be sustainable. If there is no connection, this might as well be prostitution. Holly definitely fell for this guy. And now they are hitting some rough seas. This happens when you chase your Ross Poldark. You love having his cock inside you but get pissed off when he doesn't pick up his socks. Hope Frank Zabba sees this post to prove I don't just post on the Martina threads.

You bring up a good point. Clearly we do not know for a fact whether the relationship is open. By this I mean they both agree that they are not exclusive to each other and can take other lovers. We don’t know what they have agreed to relative to their relationship. We have seen Martina have a sexual affair on-cam with Nelly. What has caused me to be skeptical is her all night partying. But we simply do not know.

Just because we don’t see Alberto fucking other people doesn’t mean the relationship isn’t open. First, it’s Alberto. Where do you guys rank Alberto with all the other cast members? On decency he is near the top. But in terms of attractiveness to women, where does he fall? When I think of RLC guys who I would place lower than Alberto, I think of Fior and Daniel. By definition the relationship is open if Alberto was OK with the Nelly fling.

Brilliant question Frank! Thank you so much. (1) I joined at the beginning of Martina/Nelly and I fell in love with her. I am not ashamed to admit this. I am consumed by her. I try to wean myself but every time I hear she is going out to party … my heartstrings are pulled. (2) It takes time to participate here in the manner that I do. It takes time to translate. It takes time to observe carefully like @philo and @chuck206 do. They see things we do not see. So second answer to your question is time. I don’t have time to observe and form opinions on the other cast members. I have commented on Masha, Eva, and Holly … my top 3 after Martina. (3) I like to argue. My parents told me that was my downfall.