JenniferMom

Sorry to keep repeating myself. The fact that Nelly is married and willing to jeopardize that, makes it even hotter for Martina. But at some point, credit to Martina, for trying to draw this to a close. But she seems to be struggling with this. Love is blind.

Really good points.

Guys! I am NOT suggesting Martina has strong moral character. My point has always been her and Nelly have a deep emotional connection and if anything the fact that Nelly is willing to jeopardize her marriage for Martina makes it even stronger. Who would not like someone loving them who is willing to do ANYTHING for you, including jeopardizing their marriage? Martina has some moral character as evidence by her struggle to try to break it off. But the connection these two have is very strong.

Exactly TLC. Not sure if you mean to support my point or argue against it. I think this supports my point. Martina IS a good person so yes she is trying to cool things down out of respect for Bogdan and/or their marriage. But to my point that the emotional aspect is very strong between Nelly and Martina ... you can see how the emotional connection they have is stronger than Martina's desire to be respectful to their marriage (witness the parking lot fling).

You make a lot of good points and we could go on and on and on ... some (most?) think we drone on too long as it is. Wonder if that is the right spelling of "drone" in this context or perhaps "droan"? Anyway, I see your point about Nelly being married. Shame on Martina for getting involved. But true love knows no boundaries. Also, I know several women who are attracted to married men and women simply because they are married. Is it wrong? Yes. But when you have someone who is SO ATTRACTED to you that they are willing to sacrifice everything they have built based on their marriage vows ... it can be a truly exhiliariating experience. Nelly loves me SO MUCH she is willing to sacrifice everything she has with Bogdan. That is a level of love and affection that is VERY strong and can be addictive. It takes a very strong person ... maybe even someone like Harley 🙂 ... to never ever cheat on a spouse. Again I agree it is wrong and we can talk about how society is deterioriting due to lack of commitment, etc., etc. But do not underestimate the emotional appeal of someone willing to violate their vows to be with you.

I hear you. You are very traditional and this is wrong by any definition. I have no problem with this view at all. I would want a real man like that. I don't disagree with any of this but I do think you may be overstating what Alberto might do. I hope as a man he does not disappoint you. I'm with the "he's in it for the money and to fuck Martina" crowd.

Indeed. These open relationships are not for the faint hearted. I may sound like I am a supporter of this but at best I have misgivings.

This is when you are at your best. Why do you think this? You may be right? Why is he ok with a woman in his bed but if it was a man he would not allow it. You use the word “allow” … is there any evidence to that Alberto has that kind of control over her? Separately, help me understand “skippy”. I can be dense!

You make a lot of good points but your assumption is that this is a healthy relationship and my assumption is that this is a FWB relationship. Making *LOVE* 4-5 times per week would be AMAZING. But having sex 4-5 times a week for this couple is simply part of their contract with RLC. The fact that Martina does NOT try harder is the strongest evidence at this point for this being FWB. I totally agree. Sex is not the issue. But because they are FWB, the sex is more than acceptable. You recently commented about stereotypes and then OMG you offer this?!? So this is the woman's fault? And hey if she has to "play this stupid game" then go find some other skank's pussy to lick? Is this what you are saying? I can't believe it honestly ... maybe you have been taken hostage and someone is making your posts. The reason we have burned hundreds of pages of posts on Martina is because her relationship with Nelly is perhaps one of the most REAL things on RLC. And you just dismiss that by saying "go find Tweety". Unbelievable.

It will only destroy her relationship in the log run. If she can't be faithful while not even married then she isn't worth marrying as she'll do the exact same thing. Being skank runs its toll eventually. It kills me to agree with this because it implies she is a skank. Talk about cognitive dissonance!! My Martina is not a skank! But yes if she is going to be bisexual and openly sexual like this, she needs a partner that embraces it and loves her for who she is. I don’t think Alberto’s indifference is this type of love (as always I could be wrong).

You know I like your crazy speculations but all this talk about Taco is starting to scare me a bit.

I agree with you DD. There is no difference in this case, IMHO. The issue is not whether Martina hooks up with a girl or a guy ... the issue is Alberto's indifference. It's funny to think Alberto doesn't feel threatened by Nelly. He should feel abso-fucking-lutely threatened. She has never made love to him like Nelly has (he couldn't last that long). She has never looked at him like she did at Nelly. Her love for Nelly was hot steamy and passionate. With Alberto, most often, they are playing games when they start their sex and horsing around a lot. Huge difference to me. They laugh often during sex and we hear that she says things like "make me your puta". She didn't have to tell Nelly that. Nelly and Martina did not talk much when they were making love. They only talked during their water breaks.

He did exactly this when Martina was fucking another woman. Do you really think he suddenly would change if she brings home a guy to fuck on cam?

I think you are making my point. I don't disagree with you. The context here is the speculation that Martina and Nelly continue to have sex but Bogdan is allowing it as long as it is not on cam (so he doesn't look like a fool). What I was saying is Bogdan (and Alberto too but we were not talking about him) should either embrace this and be involved in it (something Harley detests) ... OR ... leave these women. At least Alberto *seems* to be OK with this but for Bogdan (and Nelly) to behave the way they do is crazy if you ask me. If I were to bet money I would say that yes he would close the door, let Martina fuck, and go play video games. I say this because you know where I stand on Martina and Alberto. This is a strong FWB relationship and once Martina graduates and finds a job, Martina and Alberto will go separate ways. Having said this, some of the rumors I hear off-line as well as some the innuendo here (e.g. Martina and Alberto talking about threesomes, the boob prints, etc.) ... I do hope Alberto embraces this and gets involved in some way. If THAT were to happen, I would amend my FWB hypothesis. I just do NOT see how it can be anything more serious than FWB when one partner lets the other fuck whoever they want whenever they want. And even if like @deepdave he thinks Martina shows restraint (and he could be right and she does show some restraint it seems to me), this doesn't mean Alberto is off the hook. We know he asks how the sex was and he is totally accepting of Martina's adventures. It is hard for me to believe that this happens in a committed relationship that is not FWB.

I don’t want to watch threesomes just for the sake of watching. Might as well just watch Pornhub for free for that. I presume VHTV is mostly sex shows. Carlos and Claire fit right in I bet. I know you only believe in monogamy but for me seeing Nelly and Bogdan and Martina and Alberto explore their relationships in a real sexual context would be extremely erotic. Not a show, something authentic. Something they would explore for the first time.

Saw this after my post. I don’t recall this scene but this is why I think Bogdan may have taken the position “have your fling if you must but do it off cam and don’t make me your fool”.

Yes you guys are thinking perhaps like I am that if they are having sex (don’t know this but unlike @Deepdave I think they probably are) … why not on cam? I think it’s because of Bogdan. He may be resigned to them having sex but is asking or demanding it not be done on cam. Why? Because maybe he is embarrassed or feels disrespected. I do remember in the heat of this tryst a lot of us posting here things like “poor Bogdan being cheated on” etc. No man wants to see this. No man wants to be made a fool in public. Who knows but perhaps this is an explanation. If true, Bogdan is being silly IMHO because what he should do to show his love for Nelly is to embrace this and embrace an open relationship and push for a threesome and be with your wife as she is seeking Martina’s love. And do it all on camera as these are the types of relationships RLC was meant for.

I respect your opinions a lot but some thoughts: 1. Yes they are into each other in a big way and this isn’t a fake lesbian show for them. 2. I don’t think the people here have had any impact on their relationship. What I love about Martina is that she is fiercely independent. I do not think anything we say here affects her decisions in any way. 3. We see committed couples fuck on cam because they are into each other. Yes Martina and Nelly are not into each other because of RLC … but why do they seem to be avoiding being on cam? Of course Nelly is not an official cast member but I don’t think that is it.

My money is on Nelly. I don’t think she is out having orgies and fucking other guys (at least not every weekend). But there is a lot of evidence that things are still going with Nelly … albeit perhaps at a reduced flame. Here’s my question to the team: If the Martina / Nelly flame continues to burn, why don’t they do anything on cam? Even if they are mostly platonic, why don’t they appear together on cam? They certainly know how their tryst causes RLC viewership to skyrocket. So if they still have a thing for each other, why not on cam? As @Deepdave says, they are marketing geniuses … so this would be a no brainer. I have a thought on a possible explanation but will wait to hear from others before I opine.

Even though we don’t agree, you know I respect you a lot. You may actually be correct on how you see this. I think what annoys me the most is how sure of yourself you are. This tells me you are either a “know it all” and thus annoying or you have inside information and thus are exploiting us. Maybe you are actually Alberto. If yes, then I agree you would be perhaps a master marketer. Anyway my point is to not draw your ire but to continue to emphasize we don’t know what we don’t know and I don’t think anyone should be so confident as to what they think is happening here. And if you know things as a fact, you should disclose how and why you know them. Girlsfun is out there for sure but clearly she is not full of herself and loves these wild speculations. Her speculations are as plausible as yours in my opinion. We might agree on one thing … perhaps ultimately at the end of the day, Martina and Alberto like to fuck with us. This is not the first time I have hypothesized this.

That’s my girl!

Seems like someone hasn't been laid recently! What's up Yelt? You are not normally this much of a pessimist.

Yes even you could do it. SORRY Harley but it was sitting there for me.

Look at all of you! I am so proud of you. For once we may be on the same page. When I first saw someone question why Martina would do something like this, I was like "duh". I started to reply but as I am learning to do, I kept reading and found all these fabulous responses. Given we know that Martina is very open sexually ... perhaps a believer in sex-positivism ... she has nothing to lose by trying to get Alberto some phsyical intimacy. It might help relieve any guilt she has. This is possible but Martina does not seem to me to be someone who experiences a lot of guilt or regrets. In fact, the biggest guilt / regret we have seen from her is when she complains about Alberto not working to improve his life. It seems there may be a little regret being attached to Alberto all these years. But too, this could be a way to set up a threesome which we have heard is something on Martina's bucket list. Think about it, if you are Martina and want a threesome with your ni ni Alberto ... what's the biggest challenge? Finding someone to fuck me, Martina? NO ... finding a woman that would allow Alberto to fuck her. I'm sure Alberto is the type of guy that grows on you so Martina is smart, she has to start laying pipe now. Good job team. Of course, this all could have just been boob painting as click bait to keep their RLC bosses happy. I'm guessing @Alladino doesn't frequent this thread much because he would have already said that this is all the boob painting is!

Hmmm. I am fascinated by this. I had no idea. I wonder how I can get Martina to PM me!!!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 (You can tell how excited I am when I have a @ddhm emoji orgasm.