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Yes. Lust is an emotion.... This is weird. The post TLE is referencing is one I wrote last night in bed using my phone. This morning I woke up and I looked for it and it was nowhere to be found. But apparently it was posted at some point because TLE replied to it. When I click on the little arrow that is supposed to take you to the original post, I get a friendly "sorry we can't find that". Oh well. If anyone has it, please post it for me or DM me ... I was kind of proud of that one. Anyway I agree with some of the recent comments it is time to take a break. We have two main debates going on and I am not sure the "take a break" was pointed to one or both ... but we should break from both. First we have a battle of testosterone among EMNV, OMEDA, JMAN, NAGA, YELT and others regarding who has a better handle on what is really going on in the M&A apartment. I adore all of you guys but do wish this could be more civil. I have some thoughts on what I see here but will save those for a later date. The other major debate among me, DEEPDAVE, TLE, GIRLSFUN, DDHM and others is the analysis of the relationships between these four characters M, A, N, and B. I believe this debate is more civil yet I'm sure many find it tedious nonetheless with the long posts etc. Anyway I will try to take a break. But I can't promise!

I respect this Dave and this notion of "forbidden love" could play into all of this as well. But I don't think we should characterize this as one-sided driven by Nelly, for example, if Martina was done with Nelly she would not go drinking with her get seduced into more passion and love. Martina could end of all of very easily. I don't agree with the notion that Martina is a "saint" and it's the evil Nelly causing all of this. Martina has feelings for Nelly as well, but it doesn't appear to me that you think that. Yes Nelly has issues but just like it was insane to us to see what Gina saw in Bruno ... we also question what Martina sees in the basket case Nelly. Love is blind, right? What is obvious is that Martina is more mature and does not have the same emotional issues that Nelly has. Martina is indeed trying to put her feelings aside for the sake of Nelly and her husband. But at some point, people will give in to their souls. It can be emotionally debilitating to live life not being with someone who is your soul mate. So back to forbidden love, it is quite possible that Nelly is also Martina's forbidden love. AND to be very clear, I use "soul mate" loosely ... girlfriend relationships may not be strongly soulful (see my previous posts). Martina came home and reported to Alberto that she regretted the meetup with Nelly. Why? Because she hates Nelly or is no longer attracted to Nelly? NO ... she regrets it because she doesn't want to wreck someone's marriage. That doesn't mean she doesn't love Nelly. She's doing the right thing but can her heart and soul survive this? I actually think it can because Nelly is a piece of work. But it will take time. What happens if Bogdan dumps Nelly? (I mean if we are going to speculate, let's get into it!)

Agree if you are really female users than you might be the only bisexuell women who post here.😉😂 Indeed. Just want to elaborate on my point … the reason someone like Bogdan would be upset and angry is because for Nelly it appears to be a true love. Martina is a threat. If it was just casual sex and Nelly and Bogdan had an open relationship, he would not be upset. Remember Nelly bragged to those boys that she has a girlfriend and is in love.

To some extent I agree. My response would be twofold: (1) The story may not be over yet; and (2) Per my last post or two, love can come in multiple forms. The love between two girlfriends need not be monogamous and manifest as a committed relationship.

It may not be more than just lust and sex with Nelly; however, it clearly to me is more than "drunken curiosity". It has been said that Martina has had a bisexual experience previous to Nelly and perhaps previous to RLC. She clearly is a very sexual woman and I think she enjoys this WITH women who she likes as a friend, someone to be intimate with. It's kind of interesting to me that we have never seen Martina do one of these fake shows, have we? I admire this about her and I think it shows she really only wants to show her love intimately with people she cares for.

I'm sure Nelly or Martina are not looking for your justification. Do you really think Martina's life is in chaos? Shall we count the number of posts here that praise her for having her shit together and focused on her studies and all that? Does not sound like chaos to me. If you want to talk chaos relative to Nelly, then yes. My friend, I have a lot of the same questions as you. This causes me to struggle to understand these relationships. I keep coming back to Martina and Alberto being FWB. It's the only explanation that rationalizes everything we have observed. Two very close friends who fuck on cam for money. Imagine if Martina and Alberto were true bona fide porn stars doing 2-3 scenes per week. Would we be viewing this and talking about this any differently? I think we would, we would not care that Martina has a love interest with Nelly.

Not sure I agree TLE. If it was just sex and lust I think we would see them on cam more now. Bogdan might not be so upset. They wouldn't go on vacations, etc. I think girlsfun and I may be the only bisexual people on this forum. And for me it's really just been sex. We are all trying to understand what these "relationships" are but when it comes to bisexuality it is very difficult. Martina loves Nelly and she loves Alberto very differently. It is hard to describe. I've been with girls and it has just been sex. I have a BFF now that I would love to be sexually active with but she is committed to her husband and hasn't mustered up the courage to approach him. I get that and I would never push her. This is all very delicate in a way. It has been said here that people can love two or more others at the same time and I agree with this. But the nature of these relationships and the nature of these loves are very different. I can't see myself living and committing to another woman for the rest of my life. But I have female friends that are very close and I have this urge inside me to pleasure them if I could. Not sure this makes sense and I can't describe it any other way. I stated once before and I will repeat ... hetero and homosexual monogamous relationships are fairly straight forward ... the key issue perhaps being whether they are open or closed. But bisexual and poly-sexual relationships are an entirely different thing. And honestly I am not sure morally they are even appropriate. Lots to unpack here.

Now you’re saying Nelly raped Martina? And I get accused of psychoanalysis and crazy speculations??? Nelly and Martina are hot for each other. This is undeniable. Martina is trying to be restrained. But she can’t help it, especially under the influence of alcohol. She regrets what she did apparently. We don’t know much more than this. This must be a new record for crazy speculations without even 10 seconds of video evidence. This is not directed at Deepdave who I respect but is a comment on all these posts over the last 48 hours. My only issue with Deepdave and others (and I say this with utmost respect) is that Yelt and Girlsfun and others (me?) get accused of projecting our fantasies on Martina and Alberto … which perhaps is true who knows. But it goes both ways. Deepdave believes this is a normal couple and everything is cool. He may be right but this is him projecting as well. We simply don’t know. This last meet with Nelly and Martina happened off cam apparently in a parking lot. That’s all we really know. I keep hearing we should trust our translators … OK … if I am not mistaken I saw a post by Noldus and the great and almighty EMNV when asked if Nelly and Martina fucked in a parking lot and they both said “yes”. So to my friend Deepdave … if everything is normal here … how does one half of a normal couple fuck in a parking lot behind the back of her significant other? Sorry for the emotional post.

You are indeed correct TLE. I have seen this too. This is not a black and white debate and I continue to say I could be wrong. Martina is a cuddler and is very affectionate with everyone. Besides Alberto and Nelly, we all remember that wonderful night with Megan. And I want to be clear that even though my instinct is that Martina and Alberto simply have a FWB relationship … I do hope and pray for them to have more … to find true love … and live their lives to the greatest extent possible.

Interesting point. If they were married I would tend to agree with you, I.e. sometimes the passion fades. But if you watch the other couples … notably Bogdan/Nelly, Timur/Tereza, Tibor/Linda, and Gina/Bruno … the sex feels like more than just sex. Masha may not be a great comparison because Masha is not with anyone very long but the point is that it is just sex with Masha. I feel the same about Martina and Alberto. Kitty and Smith too for that matter.

They would do more things together; their lovemaking would be passionate not mechanical with lots of afterglow; Alberto would not tolerate and accept the Nelly situation; they would cuddle more often, she would not be out all night as if she is Alberto’s roommate not his lover, the sex would not seem like quid pro quo for going out all night. What evidence is there that she is crazy about him? Does she ever worship his cock like Fiora does to vamp? Of course Alberto knows he has the ultimate girlfriend but what does he do to deserve that? Of course I could be wrong but my belief is theirs is a relationship of convenience. Again I adore them both and don’t mean to be negative … but supporting my case that this is FRIENDS WITH BENEFITS.

We always come back to the same core theories. To me, the real crime here is the damage to Bogdan and Nelly's marriage. This is on Nelly. Bogdan should walk away. Not only does Nelly not respect him, she has a boatload of other issues and she does not seem to be able to help herself. Always remember you need to love yourself before you can love someone else. This marriage is really troubled. Martina has tried to help Nelly by cooling things off; however, Martina ultimately can't and won't deny her feelings for Nelly. Everyone can say whatever they want about Alberto ... and it ranges here from a total deadbeat to Saint Alberto ... but in my mind ... this was never more than a FRIENDS WITH BENEFITS relationship. These two might have fucked as friends for awhile and then the RLC opportunity came up and they thought "why not?". You just do not see the LOVE between these two. Lots of affection yes ... it is a very comfortable and affectionate relationship ... but it is not a loving relationship. Here's a test ... I challenge anyone to tell me that the sex between Martina and Alberto is anything more than any of the sex we see in Masha's apartment. It is just sex. DD suggests Nelly and Martina should just declare their love and be together. I think this *could* happen but I think Martina is smart enough to not want to get involved in Nelly's behavioral issues. Bottom line here is that everyone loves Martina ... she is the RLC gold standard. Only thing I ask Martina, if you are reading this, if it is inevitable to be with Nelly, please do it on cam for your loyal fans.

The alcohol plays I very specific role here I think. I have always believed the love and passion between these two is super strong. It always has been and it seems to continue. The alcohol didn't change their attraction to each other and cause them to make love (assuming they did in parking lot as has been reported). Their attraction and "real passion" has always been there and it seems to continue to be strong. But Martina IS trying to be the better person here and be respectful of Bogdan and the fact that Nelly is married. We have evidence that she is the one trying to slow and/or stop the relationship, not Nelly. What the alcohol does is weaken that resolve ... allowing the true love push through. I think many of us can relate to having a fling ... even if just a little flirting ... with someone they know they can't have. It can be painful and difficult to endure. But alcohol causes people to take risks they would not otherwise take. If Martina had lost her passion for Nelly, the alcohol could very likely not have had an impact. But she still loves Nelly and vice versa. Lastly, I think it is telling that Martina appears more respectful of Bogdan's marriage to Nelly than she is to her own lover and boyfriend Alberto. This is my speculation on what I have heard reported here. As always I could be entirely wrong.

Just caught up … I am spending much less time here. Good to see I haven’t missed much. But to confirm, is it true that we have evidence that Martina and Nelly are back together? They made love in a parking lot? Saw this in the closed thread by Noldus and emnv and others. Also read that Martina is having regrets over this. Am I understanding things correctly?

I feel your pain Van. I do think slow clitoral stimulation can lead to the best orgasms (at least for me) ... especially when you integrate edging into the game plan (not easy for moms with not a lot of time). But yes this can be very boring for voyeurs I'm afraid. Radi is very viewer aware so you would think she would understand this by now and just every once in awhile spread her legs super wide and just frig herself intensely and put on a bit of a show for us.

I might have missed it as I have been distant from this place, but what is that bruise on the inside of Ulyana's thigh? It does not look good at all. Have to say even though she is one of the best baters on RLC ... that black facial mask and that bruise kind of scared me.

Martina is out again on a Friday night. Nothing pulls on my heart strings in RLC nation than these Friday night 11PM departures.

I stand corrected. In my defense, I was thinking in a bi/les context. Always wished Gina would make love to another girl with same enthusiasm that she has (had?) for Bruno’s lovely cock.

Love you DD but you are getting out in front of your skis if you compare Fiora and Harley to Nelly and Martina. It’s too early to tell but this just looked like good old-fashioned bi girls wanting to make each other cum. Martina and Nelly were super into each other.

I like your comments TLE but this one did not age well!

Hi Bertie … as I was one who said the couples are boring, let me explain. I am mostly saying this from POV as a voyeur. I totally agree with what DD and others have said … these are established couples and often the sex becomes repetitive and routine. I get that. It’s wonderful they still have a lot of sex as many couples do not have this much after these many years. Keeping things spicy is not easy so people look at sex like brushing your teeth. You need to do it to stay healthy but the romantic element suffers. As a voyeur this is not self-punishment. It is more FOMO fear of missing out. We watch because we hope something exciting happens like Martina/Nelly. And yes given Martina did happen, many of us want to see it happen again (not necessarily with Nelly but we want to see Martina express her lust again). FOMO is greatest around Martina because the potential is very real. I don’t think anyone feels like Nana might have a torrid lesbian fling anytime soon. A ton of people stopped subscriptions and hang on here for FOMO. This does not sound like self-punishment to me. At some point I will be on the side of folks who have not renewed their sub.

Catching up here. Frankly Martina and Alberto have become a bit boring, not much different than any of the other couples. To me all the couples seem to be going through the motions. Only Tibor and Linda seem to have true love and affection for each other. But I will admit I do not watch all these couples consistently. Rather than focus on whether Alberto is a great lover (he isn't) or whether Nelly is back in the scene (she isn't) ... we don't seem to be focused on the key question in my view: What exactly is this relationship? Does Martina and Alberto really love each other and someday they will marry and have kids and live forever and ever? Maybe. But I still have this strong gut feeling that this is a "friends with benefits" arrangement. They started as friends and this opportunity came to them and they grabbed it and they basically live together and fuck for money and rent. They are close (so this isn't a strict porn arrangement) and they care for each other ... but I don't think either one of them are thinking long term. We know Alberto isn't thinking long term ... if there is agreement here on anything it is that Alberto is a bit of a dufus. But we also know that Martina is VERY focused and driven ... not just on her future and her studies but what she wants in life and also what she wants from relationships. Remember "no one controls me". Honestly, she is so sexy and hot ... but I love her most because of that one statement "No one controls me" ... which we got from our trusted translators. I could be wrong. Maybe Alberto and Martina will marry and have kids and live happily ever after. I just don't see it. None of these couples inspire that kind of feeling ... the best chances are with Linda and Tibor IMHO. SO to summarize ... because I am going long here (and I propose a new metric ... WORDS PER WEEK instead of WORDS PER POST 🙂 ) ... I think everyone here makes really good points. Those defending this couple make good points and those on the side of Martina is out having sex every weekend and Alberto couldn't pleasure a nymphomaniac ... they make good points too. Everyone could be right here but still miss the key issue ... what exactly is this relationship? I really think it's an arrangement. Like I said I could be wrong but this speculation DOES seem to fit with all the data. While sometimes I am skeptical of our trusty translators ... everything they have shared with us is consistent with these two being a simple FWB arrangement. I don't question what the translators share with us. I assume what they share is true. But we don't get insight into the critical questions. Sure she may be out tonight at a club with friends having fun ... but how does Alberto truly feel about this and if Martina met someone who turned her on, why wouldn't we expect her to not make love to this person? Past behavior is still the best predictor of future behavior. HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND ALL

Must be quiet in Martina’s apartment given all the talk about COVID vaccines.

Just checking in before bed. How does Leora get 10 of the top 12 REPLAY cams? What am I supposed to bate to???

Might I get a PM as well?