JenniferMom

Some days I still feel like a newbie, even though it's been over a year. A couple of folks here have reported that they talk to Kitty. Is this to be believed?

Is Kitty bi?

This sounds like @HarleyFatboy. Perhaps this is why I like both of you so much. 🙂

Unlike the majority of folks here, I enjoy your long posts and interesting insights. But for God sakes my dear friend, stop trying to defend yourself here. I know this is difficult to do as I have been attacked as well, but you simply must do it. By trying to defend yourself all that you do is create more non-productive posts that rehash your earlier points, etc. Now we clearly will get to 30 pages before they decommission this apartment.

For the record, I'm would not want to watch even my heart throb Martina laying cable. Not the kind of laying I am looking for here (hat tip to John McClane). I have no issue with the toilets not being on cam. I do think if you remove ALL amount of decency, you get to a level of depravity that is no longer fun. I do think the microphones should be ON in the bathrooms. I'm not keen on hearing farts, but I do think the cast members use the bathrooms to have important serious conversations purposely away from the customers. Of course I don't understand a word they say but we have our super-reliable translators who can fill the gap.

Debates on website design are about as useful as debating what Martina does off-cam. Not everyone will agree. I too am not happy either with the change but maybe that's because I tend to be someone who does not like change. And more importantly, I support DD's point that stronger moderation is warranted to keep people from being caustic to each other (i.e. if CC wants to fix problems, there are bigger problems to fix). I do not believe that anyone is unreasonably caustic to RLC cast members. That comes with the territory and is not unlike calling your favorite football player "a bum". Like Martina I have been working on my studies (not so much recently due to pandemic) but I had a class in web design a few years ago and the key learning from that class was that "everyone has an opinion on how a website is designed" and "pretty much everyone is wrong". What CC should do is run some "usability tests" and see how people actually use their site in the real world, and then design to that standard. You define use cases and then measure how fast the users complete the task ... and then design the site to try to make it more efficient for that task. For example, my favorite use case is to log into CC to see if Martina fucked anyone besides Alberto. For me, the site would be great if I could get that answer in as few mouse clicks as possible. If CC is not being usability tested and designed by website design professionals, then all of this is just opinion and everyone has one. I hope this doesn't degenerate into an OT debate like COVID or some others; however, I fully recognize that I just started us off on that.

What reports?

God I love those nipples.

Has anyone attempted to pay for an RLC subscription with a VISA gift card, i.e. a Vanilla Visa card? This used to work but it no longer does for me. I know these cards are not good outside the US but I would think one of the two payment processors might be located here in US.

I told you that you were on thin ice!

Not sure why I bother to keep pushing on this. I don't disagree with you Dave. We obviously do not know exactly what the nature of Martina's relationship is with the Fat Guy. All people like Philo and I are saying is that it is possible. Martina is very sexual as I think we all agree and it is naive to not believe she isn't sexual when she is off-cam. Yes the people who feel she is always out fucking behind Alberto's back are wrong. But the people who believe nothing happens off-cam are equally wrong. IMHO

You're on thin ice here Philo. God forbid you see something on-cam and assume that behavior you see on-cam might be repeated off-cam as well.

I’m sorry Dalbert but I thought I was clear. I’m sorry you can’t follow. That Martina had sex with Nelly on an overnighter without Alberto is a FACT. This has happened on multiple occasions. That leads me to believe it is not out of the realm of possibility that this happens off-cam as well. I am not saying that it is guaranteed that she has sex off-cam during her all-nighters … but only saying it is likely to have occurred a few times. Of course we will never know. So I ask you like I did @emnv … can you say with certainty that Martina has never had sex without Alberto beyond Nelly? It gets frustrating (in a fun way) debating here because I think you and I are probably in agreement.

Seriously @emnv … all the overnight visits with Nelly on-cam?? The parking lot incident? My point is she has done it in the past so one shouldn’t assume she would not do it again. I am NOT saying I know what she is doing overnight off-cam. Can you say with certainty based on your knowledge of the language and watching this apartment that Martina has not hooked up with anyone besides Nelly? Can you even say with certainty that Martina and Nelly no longer hook up?

We see this with TV stars ALL THE TIME.

I kind of started this by defining two groups -- the Martina-is-a-saint group and a Martina-is-a-puta group. The reality is that there are many mulitple positions in between these two extremes. I personally am more in the middle. We know she has sex without Alberto on her own when she stays out overnight. So it's safe to assume there are times when she is out partying that she hooks up. I do not believe every time she goes out all night, she is having a huge orgy or gang-bang or turning tricks or anything like that. She loves sex and can be slutty but she also seems to have some selectivity in who she wants to make love to. It seems that the person has to be special to her in some way. One of my favorite sayings is: There are two types of people in the world. Those that like to divide people into two groups. And those that do not.

Again another great post. You are on a roll today Ash. I agree with you. You basically are saying what I am saying but much more eloquently and succinctly. @ddhm and can learn from you! 🙂 I enjoy the wild speculations as my default mindset is anything could possibly be true. I just wish that when people speculated, they supported their speculations with on-cam evidence or clear published evidence from the translators. What I don't care for is a speculation because "I just know it to be true" OR "I had a girlfriend who acted the same way" OR even worse "I have a secret source who told me this but because we are all mean people they no longer post here".

Very well reasoned argument Ash. I too was skeptical of the original comment. I have heard that RLC contracts come in multiple flavors, 30 day, 45 day, 90 day, 180 day etc. and it seems like when people leave it is due to a contract ending, not due to pressure from the forums.

I don't think we have witnessed anything very special on Sunday's after her all-nighters. She will sleep a lot. What we are looking for is the so-called "Martina and Alberto are having a serious conversation".

Totally agree with you DD, but please don't forget that the translators are human, not machines like Google Translate, and are subject to biases that can affect the true understanding of what we are seeing. Combined with the imprecision of the language ... and the fact that they cannot translate everything ... there are some natural biases which are to be expected. This is not a fault of the translators ... it is just human nature. Even when two people see the same thing on cam, each one sees it differently. SO this morning is a very important morning for the viewers and the translators. Martina is back home so we should be on FULL ALERT for her telling Alberto what she did last night!!!

There are various accounts here on the forum. It isn't clear (to me at least) exactly what happened. I do believe we have confirmation from the translators that the two of them had sex. It seems (again based on the translators) that Martina regrets that it happened. I have speculated that Martina wanted to break this off out of respect to Bogdan (BOGDAN, not ALBERTO ... important difference) and perhaps too because Nelly is (was?) a bit of a wreck. But I think she struggled with this denial of her true feelings for Nelly. Yesterday's visit seems to reinforce the general belief that they are maybe patching together their relationship. It may end up being just a friendship like Martina originally wanted after the break up. Maybe Bogdan is changing his opinion on this ... or giving up trying to stop it ... who knows. As DD would say, this is setting up one way or the other for a fabulous voyeur experience. It's also been hinted at here by the translators that Martina still wants more sexual experiences, e.g. threesomes. Perhaps resolving her relationship to Nelly is a step on this path in some way.

This could divide AGAIN the viewers??? Not sure what you put in your Greek coffee, but I've never felt the viewers were ever united, or divided ... on anything! Because Bogdan and Nelly are off-cam right now, you think we are all united???

Fuck! Philo you little devil you.

Fair point DWI. Back to my point on context that I just made ... we know Martina and Nelly are into each other, so to me, the parking lot story is very plausible and I believe it occurred. I am always surprised by how the translator accounts are responded to here. We seem to have two basic dynamics at play: (1) Martina will do something or say something on cam that will be interpreted by some here as if she was going to go out and be in an all-night orgy. The translators will come to the rescue and say "no no no ... it's just a class party and instead of orgy Martina said she was going to drink orange juice because she has a cold". The Martina-is-a-puta crowd will trash the translators and claim they are making things up and the Martina-is-a-saint crowd will defend the translators and say things like "the reason they don't share more is because we trash them all the time". But now we have scenario (2) where are translators share that Martina and Nelly fucked in a parking lot. The same translators are heroes to the Martina-is-a-puta crowd and the Martina-is-a saint crowd question these vary same translators. So funny to see. Now having said this, I could be wrong ... I won't go back and check to see if everyone is consistent on this ... but this is how it feels to me.

Great point. But you probably have a ton of context being that you lived across the street. Maybe you knew or at least felt that their marriage was mediocre at best. Without context, it really is difficult to tell. It's possible that she really enjoyed being with the girls and playing bridge.