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You may be right Dave but where is the evidence that Alberto doesn't allow her to fuck anyone? Just saying he "allows or disallows anything" does not seem like something that would sit well with Martina. There was that famous quote from our translators where she said "no one controls me". So Nelly affair is a one of a kind deal that lasted for 6 months? Isn't it still going on (recently in a parking lot). Granted it appears she has some regrets about hooking up with Nelly this most recent time and it might have led to her having to get an MRI. And again, per the trusty translators, I think she had at least one bisexual affair before Nelly (perhaps before she joined RLC). Again, I don't think she cheats in the context of going behind Alberto's back. She tells him everything. And our translators have hinted that she is still looking for a possible threesome, so I would not agree that her extracurricular sexual desires are over. So you think they ARE perfect lovers? You make a lot of good points. But I am not convinced this relationship has a very long future beyond RLC. I hope I am wrong, honestly I do. It is quite possible what we are seeing is Martina being adventurous and wondering to herself if she is "settling on Alberto" and that maybe she does have the ultimate man right in front of her diamond studded nose. I agree with you and have stated many times that he is a very good man. But he doesn't seem to instill that un-abandoned passion in her. Until she decides to stay at home on weekend nights and be with "her man and soul mate" ... I will always question where this is going. Soul mates want to share everything together ... even extra sexual partners if they are open to that (which seems like they might be).

Once again you are correct and you also are wrong. Yes the two types of sex are different, this is obvious if for no other reason than the physical elements of our bodies. But what is the same for all sex and lovemaking is the passion and energy -- the connection between two people. To me, this is the relevant comparison and not totally useless at all. Not sure this was directed toward me, don't think it was, because we agree ADALBERT. What makes a great lover is the desire and passion, the need inside you to pleasure your partner and give them the best orgasm they have ever had. Neither Martina nor Alberto seem to want to do this for each other. Of course, of course, of course a long-term couple will fall into a routine. But even long-term couples have those special nights where they devote themselves to pleasuring their lover. Perhaps this is what Martina and Alberto did in that hotel room over a week ago. Who knows. But we rarely see this on cam. The key question here is why don't they try harder sometimes? Are they happy with their sex? Is this just FWB? Or what? Absolutely agree with this. I would totally LOVE a man like Alberto ... he gives me complete space to fuck whoever I want ... he does all the housework ... supports me in my studies ... let's me party on the weekends all night long while he stays home with the dogs ... and all I have to do is let him fuck me a few times a week (and since I love sex and he is not unattractive, this is not even a small price to pay but rather a fringe benefit). What's not to love about Alberto? Maybe we agree more than we think ADALBERT!

All good points Philo but I would suggest that a good relationship is not all about great sex. These two are a great couple. And I think we've beaten this to death but I think we all agree if Nelly/Martina didn't happen, we would not have talked about any of this. We probaby would have talked about Martina/Alberto like we do Kitty/Smith and Tibor/Linda. But we all saw Martina on fire ... and we see her trying to improve her lot in life through her studies ... and we all know she is just a superbly beautiful sexual woman ... SO we all want a more perfect fairy tail ending to this story. So why does she stay with him? There is a LOT to like with Alberto. I think he might be the best man to have a relationship of all the RLC men I have seen. Does he have that vibe, i.e. is he my Ross Poldark? No. But is he a partner I could depend on? Yes absolutely. Would it be nice if he had more of a purpose for his life? Of course. You said: "So, when they want more, the go out and get more. It's not that complicated." Haven't we seen Marrtina go out and try to find this? With Nelly? With her all-nighters? Sometimes the answers are right in front of us! I've compared RLC to reality TV or a TV drama ... but there is one big difference I am now realizing. TV shows are written and engineered to tell the story in 60 minutes ... or a movie 2 hours ... or maybe a dozen episodes ... etc. Everything gets wrapped up in a nice neat package in 1 hour. Not real life. Real life takes time. Change is slow. People don't change much if at all. You can't measure change unless you look at time periods that are years apart. In this context, RLC is true to its vision. This is real life. Everything moves slowly. An RLC TV show would feature something exciting like the Martina/Nelly affair -- a big significant emotional event -- in every weekly episode. But this is not TV, it's real life ... so something significant like this only happens once maybe in a year. This story will play out slowly and if they leave RLC, we may never know how these two ultimately evolve together. To me this is a little sad. I was not that invested in Bruno and Gina but I do wonder if they are together or if she dumped his ass and did he get deported or what happened? This is long but I've spared you all quite a bit lately. I was overdue!

I think this is a fair point Piper. But its a grey area between "submissive" and "going through the motions". My point above relative to DD's point that "hey they are BOTH average" ... is that there is no reason for Martina to try harder because she simply does not doesn't feel it. The vibe is not there. The vibe we see is really a FWB vibe ... long-time friends who like to bring each other to orgasm (and we are not sure how often Martina cums). They are a great couple, certainly, way better than Tibor/Linda and Kitty/Smith and Bruno/Gina. But will they be together long term or is this just an arrangement until one or the other finds their "true love"? That is what we are all speculating about. Compare Martina to Fiora with Vamp. It was obvious that Fiora wanted him, she worshipped him, she made love to his cock, etc.,, etc. You could see the sparkle in Fiora's eyes. For me, Martina and Alberto just feels too mechanical. This is all that I am saying. They certainly are very compatible and they certainly have a lot of sex which is healthy. I think if Martina truly had deep passion for Alberto, we would see a different more passionate lovemaking. You would see a sparkle in her eye. And I don't think Alberto would pull up his shorts and leave immediately after cumming. FULL DISCLOSURE: My sub has lapsed and I have not seen Martina and Alberto in awhile. My observations is based on what you guys all write. And no one posts here about how AMAZING their lovemaking was just now. The most positive posts I read is that "hey Alberto went an extra 10 minutes this time, he's improving". He does have his better days of course. If he wants to win this girl, he would be totally focused on this. Also agree we should not evaluate Alberto so much. What we should be watching like a hawk is how Martina looks at Alberto ... we are lookinng for that twinkle ... and not the twinkle from the diamond nose stud.

Lots to unpack here. I have always agreed that Martina’s sexual ability with Alberto is average or above average at best. You said it the best DDHM: If she wanted more, she would simply go for more. But she doesn’t. So what does that mean? I don’t think she loves Alberto like she loves Nelly (or did at one point). Also … there have been times she wanted more and asked for it … pleaded with him to not leave. But he still just left after cumming.

Agree TLE. They are relatively easy to remove but more difficult to put back in (sometimes). So wait a minute. I did not see this scene so I am operating blind. The aforementioned ring is a nose ring? I did not grasp that. If we are talking about a nose ring then my point is even stronger because a nose ring would clearly not be allowed for an MRI of the head ... unless of course it is plastic. I still think the hospital staff would want it removed. They do make things to keep ear holes open so I suppose nose holes as well. I literally thought we were talking about a ring on her finger. She has worn them on and off at various times. There is at least one voyeur here who has focused on her wearing of rings and has some interesting thoughts documented with visual evidence. I won't blow his cover but maybe he could chime in a bit for us. I think the ring she wears on her fingers have not be talked about much here ... especially not talked about like we talk about most things (to death).

I hesitate to say this but feel it needs to be said. First off I do respect @omedo and @emnv a lot and believe that they provide us a lot of clarity. But when we put them on a pedestal and worship their contributions as if they are the Almighty truth, it causes me to wonder. For example, this last revelation about the nose piercing is pretty black and white, right? I do not disagree that removing the piercing has something to do with the MRI. I have only have ear piercings but I get that some earrings are easy to take on/off and others more difficult. I get it. But I have questions: Again, not an expert, but I thought for MRI's you cannot have any metal at all. So I don't understand how a ring would be allowed and the piercing would not be. My experience with my dad was that NO metal was allowed anywhere on the body. Also, taking the diamond stud out is a hassle, yes, but she has to do it anyway. So what is the point of wearing a ring? The key question left unanswered is why does she feel the need to wear the ring in lieu of the diamond stud? What is the significance of these items to her? Do they represent a relationship with someone? Again, I hesitate to press the SUBMIT REPLY button on this one. I love our translators and never want to anger them or show them disrespect. Agree we have a lot of crazy speculations about just about everything. To me this is fun but I know some don't find it amusing. But at least for me, I get frustrated when we get the almighty pronouncements from our trusty translators (who as I said I totally respect) and we pounce on those like we just heard the gospel. In @omedo's post he finishes by saying "and this is the story of the ring". I felt like sayinng "Praise be to God!" AMEN!

I know your "play by play" capability is outstanding; however, I think you would be better suited to provide the color commentary.

Ah ok ... my mistake Yelt. I thought you were referring to the question on the closeness/cuddling that Alberto and Martina have ... not her use of English. Thank you for pointing our her using English.

Thank you Yelt but this is not necessary. I do not doubt how close Martina and Alberto are … they truly are good longtime friends. They enjoy sex together. They cuddle and have fun. My question always about the future and is this a romantic relationship or simply great FWB relationship.

I am sorry to say , Martina is a stunning looking girl and whoever doesn’t see it , well , the ophthalmologists make miracles nowadays 😁😆 But her sex interactions , i can’t agree less with adalbert , I don’t consider it any special . Of course it isn’t a surprise , after nearly 10 years together , they both know the positions they like , the chemistry , the way to “ provoke “ the pleasure to each one without trying a lot . With that being said , comparing let’s say her lesbian sex with Nelly in comparison to the hetero sex with Alberto , the passion and dedication given has been obvious . I believe that with another guy ( sorry to everyone but need to use examples here ) kind of Bruno , Dick , Bogdan , Lucian , Rama , Rocco , Karol’s boyfriend and what the hell , the so called Rasputin so as to name the few we have seen the last 1-1,5 years , ( especially Dick and Bruno I consider them great sex partners ) , we could only tell Martina’s sex skills . I find her an average sex performer , without much fantasy or the will to go wild ( swallow , anal , 2-3 times per month a different position in the routine and the agenda ) . Careful now , having also in the past a long 6 years relationship , my sex life which was in daily basis till the last days of the relationship , didn’t have variety after the 3rd / 4th year and it was rather sex that we both knew how to give the maximum pleasure . With that being said , I find incredible the frequency of M&A sex sessions , I would though sit back and enjoy their sex in case I see starting with any teasing , catch by chance at the thumbnails a different position or something like that . I have - and the majority here i believe - watched hundreds of sex sessions between the two that it’s nothing new fascinating me watching , they are just a couple that watching them only for sex isn’t any different than the B5 COV . But I also think that the majority watches them and mainly Martina for the real life concept that they present on cameras and let’s be honest , they are perhaps the most interesting of the couples due to the mixture of Martina 1,5 years ago with the Russians in Barcelona . Without being a prophet but with the RLC experience and watching the couples who have stayed for a long time in the project , I believe that unless Martina had mixed with the Russians , we would be having another Linda and Tibor couple result . It is that this out of the blue and business changing surprising happening that changed the standards first for Martina , then for this couple and ultimately watching the apartment with a fascinating interest . At the end of the day , whatever we nowadays see it is a normal and routine day by day life of a couple which is many years together and the ongoing interest is mostly being maintained with the speculations and theories because of Martina’s on cameras sex interaction with Nelly . Would I want something extreme ? Well , that would be watching Martina having sex with Bogdan ( craziest hidden personal desire 😂🤣 ) or seeing her having sex with another guy . Then we can speak once again perhaps for Martina’s sex skills . I read this twice and I can’t figure out what your main point is. Here’s a question: Would M&A have as much sex as they do now if there were no cams and they were not on RLC?

You make a good point Harley. I would say the notion that they have been together so long that their lovemaking is lackluster, suggests maybe this *COULD* be just a special night out for the two of them. But I don't reject your theory at all. That's what is fun here, we simply don't know.

This reminds me of an ongoing debate here over the last year. We have all been critical of Alberto's lovemaking but there are those here who believe Martina's lovemaking is also nothing to write home about and could be improved. I will stipulate that perhaps this is true when we watch Martina and Alberto. There are certainly times when Martina does not seem inspired. BUT BUT BUT ... I don't think anyone was critical of her inspired lovemaking with Nelly. So we know she has the skills and we know when motivated, she can be ON FIRE. Just remember that when we try to understand the kind of relationship that Alberto and Martina have. Perhaps the best thing they could have done to shut us up on this point, would have been to have their sexy getaway night last weekend ON CAM ... to show all of us skeptical nellies (hmmm poor choice of word?) that they do love each other more than anything and are willing to pleasure and worship each other's bodies with unconditional love and affection. I'm sure this happened off-cam at the hotel though.

Thank you ... interesting observation. You think you know someone! Right? LOL

Thanks Moos ... this is kinda what I am talking about in my previous post.

Agreed Adalbert. This is very unfamiliar territory for me. I am more curious than anything. We were speculating about what Martina and Alberto were up to. The items that she packed seemed to me to be the type of things you might do for a cam show on something like OF. But like I said, who am I to say? My understanding, based on what I have read, is that OF is a platform that has attracted people who want to do porn but for whatever reason cannot break into the porn business. I think OF is used for non-porn but most stories I have read say it's targeted for adult content. In fact, I thought I read that the guy who created OF did it because YouTube rejected adult content. OF seems to me to be like these so-called YouTube "stars" who are monetizing their talents on YouTube when a big television network might not be interested. I am hearing that YouTube overall is approach the influence of a network like NBC or Fox or whatever. So yes this is just a speculation ... but THAT IS WHAT WE DO HERE! Yes and no. Indeed we see full sex on RLC but there are limitations. My assumption (because I do not have experience with OF) is that you have a lot of freedom. We all bitch here about camera angles and lighting. That can be fixed with your own OF studio. The other issue is monetization. I think we debated how much Nelly and Martina made from RLC as result of their torrid lesbian sessions on cam. It is quite possible that those sessions are much more valuable than whatever RLC paid them. OF would be a way to get more money from the same activity. Again, again, again ... I have no idea of that which I speak as I have not endeavored to explore this any more than (1) reading about it and (2) paying for a 1 month subscription to Linda ... which was very disappointing to me. I have to believe RLC has some rules on what the girls can do and not do relative to OF in their apartments and outside of their apartments, etc., etc. But again I could be wrong. It's all very fascinating to me. OF is the democratization of porn. Now anybody can be a porn star. Of course, most people should NOT be porn stars ... but within this space, I believe some stars will be born.

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I am guessing the boys here don't want to take this bait because they would rather defend Martina. It's obvious where you are going with this. In fact it was discussed here in these very fora many weeks ago. Does Martina have an OF account? Did she pack up with Alberto to do some scenes for OF? I do not have the answer to this question. They did not seem to pack video equipment so there is that. But that doesn't mean anything as she could have gone somewhere where they have video equipment. I think Nelly used to do some low-tech cam shows at one point. I have no idea what it would take to offer a decent product on OF. Why not do OF shows in your RLC apartment. I wonder if this is against the rules. But can anyone confirm that Linda does OF shows in the apartment? I know she is on OF. I have seen her. She is very nice and sexy but a bit of a snooze on OF (IMHO). So where does this leave us. BTW if Martina has an OF account ... I would be VERY interested in getting her screen name. Martina moving to OF should scare the crap out of RLC. But only if Martina can do authentic sex shows there. What I am saying is if what we saw with Martina and Nelly was something you could get on OF ... that could be a gold mine. But if OF is just cam shows ala RLC fake lesbian shows ... I don't see the value proposition with that. OK let's see where this conversation goes.

Yes ... when it comes to Gina ... the speculation that they do drugs is much more believable. But too ... when it comes to Gina, no one would doubt that there are TONS of shit to gossip about involving the queen.

I was exchanging PM's with a good friend and came up with what I think might be a clever insight. I have always been skeptical that the girls go to the bathroom to do drugs. I would not doubt that this happens sometimes. Especially coke which is not something that can be done on cam ... while smoking a J or perhaps taking a pill ... is probably less of an issue. Like in B5 ... does anyone really think Radi does serious drugs? I don't think she would do that to her "temple of a body". It makes no sense. So what do they do in there? Besides the drug explanation, they could be licking each other's pussies and for some reason don't want to do that on cam. I don't think so. Then it occured to me ... girls LOVE to gossip and especially gossip about OTHER girls behind their backs. If you think about this, gossiping on cam would be dangerous assuming the girls watch a lot of this video on their own. It is easy to imagine at one of those B4 scenes where Nelly was a drunken shit storm ... you can imagine a lot of girls talking about that behind her back. It would not be good to be talking about the bosses wife on cam. Thoughts? This is just my latest theory. To me, it is more plausible than the fact that they are doing super serious drugs all the time. Would love to know what you guys think.

I too think you're correct here. The presumtion that Martina and Alberto were together with Nelly and Bogdan last night seems like pure speculation which just can't be proven, once again. Sure, if a tryst between the four of them ever happens on camera I'd be the first in line to watch that! But at this point, just to keep my sanity, I've adopted the " If I can't see it, I can't believe it" approach. If its off-camera, none of us knows if it happened or not. As good as a couple of translators can sometimes be, they're not perfect. So right now, the most plausible speculation would be that Martina and Alberto went out for a romantic evening together...whether it involved sex between them, who knows. Although the sexy lingerie might suggest that. But we can't be certain. Like most of us on the forum I would be happy for them if they did have a nice evening together outside the apartment. But for me, I just don't want to waste anymore time speculating about stuff because too me, that borders on fantasy. It used to be fun to read over the last few years but I've just grown tired of all the speculation...although its really funny to read Girlsfun's posts...she does bring a lot of needed humor to the forum and I appreciate her effort to keep us from taking things that happen between Martina and Alberto too seriously. I enjoy her "fly by the seat of her pants" take on things. So thanks Girlsfun for your attitude and energy. I love this post. As my friend DD would say: EXCELLENT SAID! (Of course he would add a dozen fucking emoji’s!)

Thank you Philo. You are most gracious. I am not one to get into an argument or to challenge anyone … but when something is left out there like your analogy … I can’t help myself. Take care good friend.

Hi Harley … I don’t agree with you totally but I do like the “calmer gentler” Harley! I do think these people need their space off-cam. What we don’t know is whether there was a reason to have sex off cam (like at a friends house or they had a free hotel room) or whether they did this off cam just to piss is off. It makes no sense to piss us off even if some of us (me included) have been skeptical and not totally loving them (Alberto takes a lot of shit here). If they want a sexy fun time, it makes sense to do it on cam and be rewarded for it. Or maybe they really are thinking about their future together and some of the things stated here are resonating. So they want to be offcam and just focus on loving each other. I respect that. Anyway … we will keep watching. I have been on RLC hiatus but I will re-up at some point.

You guys. Love you so much but c’mon … I love sports metaphors as much as a guy … I have three brothers … but this does not work for Radi. At least in baseball, a utility player can play all 9 positions. This is not Radi. She won’t even play for both teams. An RLC utility player needs to be able to lick pussy, suck cock, take a cock in all holes, etc etc etc. Masha is perhaps the closest utility player we have. But she is also a superstar. To me Radi is a good lesbian “player” … her body is amazing and she is very loving. This might be like a Cy Young pitcher perhaps … the best lesbian on the RLC team. But not a utility player! Again as I always say … not picking on Philo … love all of you … but keep your game faces on!!

Sorry Philo I am struggling right now with CC on my phone and don’t have time to go back and look. This happened a few weeks ago. We burned up a lot of bandwidth talking about it. I bet some others can point you in the right direction.