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From last thread by @Adalbert: You think they should end like Linda and Tibor? I hope not, then it is better to leave and split up. But you might have other infos from "real" insiders..😉 What is the summary of how Linda and Tibor ended? I have not followed them very closely. Thank you in advance.

Excellent question! @Deepdave Can you answer for us?

FRIENDS WITH BENEFITS But to your point Byrd, some lovers would not tolerate a significant other who has an FWB.

Agree. I want her for my girlfriend! Am I the only one here who feels like I am on a jury and each side has presented an expert witness and both have made compelling cases but we are no further along at understanding what is really happening? I mean this out of no disrespect to either expert BTW.

Excellent rebuttal my good friend. I won't quibble on any of these points. I think I have been clear that I don't want to believe she is self-centered. So perhaps I am wrong which would be a good thing. I am struck by how much time affects our thinking. The very first point about Martina declaring no one tells her what to do. This is such a huge theme in these posts over the years, yet you dismiss it so easily.

My evidence for this characterization includes but is not limited to: Her declaration awhile ago that no one tells Martina what to do, who to fuck, etc., etc. Her thinking it was OK to fuck Nelly while Alberto played video games in the same apartment. Her basic attitude toward Alberto. We complain that Alberto "just sits at home" but as some have observed, she doesn't make an effort toward him either. She goes her own way and it is pretty clear it seems that if Alberto tried to stop her, it wouldn't go well. The observation recently on how she treated Taco. Please reread my post. Maybe I wasn't clear. The idea she is a bit self-centered is new to me and it saddens to me. I hope I am wrong to be honest. And I will admit that reading Darkman might be having a toll on me. But go back to the first bullet. She was clear on this and if you look at everything from this POV ... perhaps there is some truth in the idea that she is a bit self-centered. But I could be convinced otherwise. I am a believer that your biggest strength is also a source of character flaw / weakness. Scattered all over these posts are countless comments about how independent minded she is, how strong she is, how she is taking control of her life by going to school, etc, etc. She is a very confident woman who knows what she wants. BUT this characteristic can also be seen as being narcissistic and self-centered.

You have made several interesting posts; however, you should have ended this one after "I don't know Nelly well". Nelly knew how to set limits? Really? The same Nelly that we saw time and again so drunk she vomited and passed out and could barely make it back to her bed? The same Nelly that knew her husband did not approve of the fling with Martina but continued it anyway? I think you have this one completely wrong. It was Martina who ended this relationship out of respect for Bogdan ... even though they made love a few times after the so-called break up.

I am not questioning this post but it makes me sad. Anyone who knows me knows that I have had a crush on Martina since the day I found RLC at the beginning of the Nelly affair. I no longer subscribe but follow her here religiously. It saddens me how self-centered she has become and maybe she has always been this way and I was blind to it. You guys here can be a bit jaded but even DeepDave seems to no longer be happy as a pig in shit over this couple. Martina has had at least 3 people who love her unconditionally … Nelly, Alberto, and now it seems GF4. Yet she pushes them all away. In the beginning I found her “nobody tells Martina what to do” attitude refreshing but it now seems to be her biggest liability. Even Taco is biting back. She needs to learn it is not all about her. Of course much of her behavior may be grounded in a difficult family life … but you always must put others first when it comes to finding true love. She has been an RLC rock star but maybe too that has gone to her head a bit.

Although I’m sure they like being naked much like a nudist does … I’m guessing they are going nude more than ever because that has to be the bare (no pun intended) minimum you have to do to keep RLC happy.

Yes perhaps “brutal” was the wrong word. To me this is just sad for Alberto. I’m surprised I feel sad for Alberto as I always felt he knew what the game plan was … FWB … but it’s now obvious he was hoping for more. But you can’t feel sorry for him by the same measure because if he felt he had more feelings for Martina than FWB … did he ever share these and if he did … why didn’t he bail once it was clear that Martina did not see it the same way? He should have bailed during the Nelly affaire. But guys like Alberto always will keep trying when someone hot like Martina is possibly there to be his. We all want the most what we can’t have. I won’t say that Martina is a psychopath like some others here have said but she has to know she is super hot and people like Nelly and Alberto and now GF4 are going to be super into her and also jealous and want her for themselves. I’m not sure what she does if she doesn’t want to be tied down but I would certainly LOVE to be in her shoes!

To me this is evidence that Martina never really loved Alberto as a soul mate. A few years ago when he was a “ni ni” she was very frustrated with him and she spun it as a problem for her and Alberto moving forward together. Now that Alberto has started taking responsibility for himself, getting a job, losing weight, exercising, paying off the loan from Martina … none of this has endeared Martina to Alberto any more at all. This tells you that there just is not that kind of emotional connection and I don’t think there ever was for her. Just fuck buddies. It is not easy to tell someone “I don’t love you”. It’s much easier to pick apart around the edges like calling out their faults and such like being a ni ni. But it can backfire because the other person DOES love you VERY MUCH … enough to make difficult changes in their life … only to find out the person you love never really loved you at all. Sorry to be so brutal and I hope I am wrong.

Great post Misc. Again, this is much more explainable if you make the assumption that this was an arrangement between these two to simply fuck on cam for rent. This would suggest she isn’t as selfish as we think because they never had stronger eternal feelings for each other. Having said this, she’s a smart girl, and she should sense that her FWB F is into her in a big way and she should do more to not rub this in his face.

Love you Berty but not sure I agree with this. Of course probably like 99.9% of you all, I have not read the T’s & C’s when I subscribed, but I’m guessing the fundamental contract here is we pay a monthly fee for access to a couple of hundred cameras in a dozen apartments. I don’t think we have a right for much more than that. What I do think we are entitled to here on CamCaps, as users and for premium customers who pay, is to know why a post was deleted and even notification itself that a post was deleted. In my experience here I have seen a lot of outlandish speculations and ideas … some of you likely would view my speculations as outlandish … and nothing got deleted. So it leaves us to more wild speculations as to why your post was removed … especially since it sounds like you laid out the evidence supporting the existence of Martina’s latest girlfriend which we all now accept and even DeepDave doesn’t deny anymore that Martina and Alberto’s relationship is unraveling. That’s my two cents.

Fair point and I agree with you and others who have made this point.

In last topic before being locked, @Adalbert said: ”Their is no bad bad Martina and no poor Alberto (only in some forum member minds). Both are adult people who have realized that their relationship is not working anymore.That happens hundred of times every day worldwide. I am positively surprised at how calm and disciplined this separation has been so far. Really amazing, I know completely different examples.👏” I don’t think it comes as a surprise to all here, that I have been known to beat a dead horse, so why stop now? When Dalbert says how positively surprised he is at how calm and disciplined this separation has been, I contend that the reason this is going calmly is because there wasn’t much of a relationship to begin with. I don’t believe there is a lot of drama when an FWB relationship breaks up. In fact, they are likely not breaking up but just going their separate ways. Some day in the future they likely will meet up and fuck for old times sakes. I do believe that Alberto hoped for more. The reason he isn’t more angry is he knows this started as FWB. 99% of guys if given a chance to fuck Martina as FWB have the confidence, perhaps arrogance, to think “no worries about FWB she will quickly learn that I am her soulmate for life”. Sadly this hardly ever works out.

If they don’t get married, then that really means FWB doesn’t it? You seem to think that FWB is something sleazy and unbecoming but I don’t see it that way at all. One of the reasons you get married is to make a vow and a legal commitment that is not easy to undo. If you can’t make that commitment, then you really are just friends right? Alberto’s sole commitment to Martina is not at debate here. What is her commitment to him? She wants lesbian lovers and she won’t marry him but she expects Alberto to be her support system?? You said she appreciates Alberto and while I agree they are very close, how does she REALLY appreciate him? By letting him fuck her every once in awhile … less today than ever before? Really? I think @darkman is a bit out there with his psychoanalysis but the way you describe her puts his analysis closer to the truth. Again, they are really good friends. They love sex. They are not life-long soul mates. She is becoming more of a lesbian. He loves her a lot and is probably feeling crushed by her drifting away from him … but his brain knows that this was all it ever was since the beginning.

Hi Ash! All good here, definitely saving money without a subscription! Not sure if you subscribe to RLC or follow them here but if you have been paying attention it seems like something has changed within the last 6 months or so … perhaps going back to the foursome they had around New Year’s. It seems like Martina has a serious off-cam lover and the amount of sex with Alberto is way down. I could be wrong as I do not subscribe. If they are fucking daily, it must be boring as no one writes about it. I miss the days of @Noldus announcing “Martina warming up” that we used to get here. I will stop here as the pro-Martina crowd is back at it defending her every move. What’s nuts to me is I too am pro-Martina … she’s apparently increasingly becoming a lesbian and she gets to continue to live with a man who loves her very much. What’s not to like?

Very good post Deep. The differences between FWB and an open marriage are subtle but clearly different. Marriage includes a commitment and vows to be together “until death do us part”. So an open marriage means they can fuck others but they commit to stay together forever. An FWB is like a friendship and as we all know friendships can come and go over time. If you think they will marry … ok … maybe FWB is not appropriate. But need to see that as I don’t think it will happen. Although it is not mandatory for an open marriage to insist on both parties being present for sex … I would think open marriages where each partner can fuck whoever and whenever they want behind each other’s backs … these are destined to fail at some point. I said this earlier if they had an open relationship leading to marriage, why don’t we see threesomes and swinging?

Very good post Deep. The differences between FWB and an open marriage are subtle but clearly different. Marriage includes a commitment and vows to be together “until death do us part”. So an open marriage means they can fuck others but they commit to stay together forever. An FWB is like a friendship and as we all know friendships can come and go over time. If you think they will marry … ok … maybe FWB is not appropriate. But need to see that as I don’t think it will happen. Although it is not mandatory for an open marriage to insist on both parties being present for sex … I would think open marriages where each partner can fuck whoever and whenever they want behind each other’s backs … these are destined to fail at some point. I said this earlier if they had an open relationship leading to marriage, why don’t we see threesomes and swinging?

Private Messages? Is this because I am no longer premium and my inbox is full from the so-called “private network”? 😁

It is becoming almost funny seeing all you guys rushing to Alberto’s defense here. Poor ole Alberto, over five years of being able to fuck one of the hottest girls in Spain and we should feel sorry for him? Trust me, if the way all of you characterize this is really what is happening, then I too would feel sorry for Alberto. I am not a total uncaring bitch from this perspective. But let me suggest ONE MORE TIME that if what they have is an arrangement … a friends with benefits relationship … fuck buddies … then ask yourselves if you still feel the same way about how Martina is abusing Alberto here and now. I think these two are close lifelong friends and they fuck each other for fun and they do care about each to some degree but they both know deep down the other is not their life partner. I think it is possible that Alberto hopes it would be more but he KNOWS in his brain that this is all it is. It would be hard to be pissed at Martina if you knew the agreement from day 1 is we are going to fuck for money and get free rent. This is like the opposite of Kitty and Smith that were so jealous of each other they killed each other at any sign of infidelity. Here there is no infidelity because I contend there is no “soul mate for life” relationship. It’s the only plausible explanation for what we are seeing that makes sense.

Don’t take me out of context Dalbert. I think you know what I meant. It seems you too are in agreement that Martina has an outside love interest. All I am saying to Pete is that he is correct we don’t have 100% evidence but it seems very likely to me. We wouldn’t have to her fucking on cam … but that does seem to be what everyone wants to see in order to be satisfied that Martina has another lover. Give me a break. You know what I mean. Information is shared here via PM’s that is much different than what we talk about here. I myself have been privy to some of that. I do not begrudge the private network because I understand how it works. Only a few people know Catalan and what this couple talk about and within the confines of CC … this gives them a lot of power here.

Of course you are correct Pete, until we see Martina fucking her girlfriend, this absolutely is speculation and not “proof”. But as speculations go, it seems we have a lot of circumstantial evidence that Martina has a love interest beyond whatever she has with Alberto. This is not like other speculations (eg Martina is fucking the fat guy). I am led to believe that there is a secret private network here that includes the translators and others like @Deepdave who know what really is going on … and the only reason they don’t share here is because some of us trash them and disrespect them. But on the existence of a girlfriend, I thought we had confirmation from the secret network although maybe I am mistaken. To me the biggest evidence that she has a serious love interest beyond Alberto is that DeepDave has gone AWOL of late. For over a year he has tried to convince us that Martina and Alberto are true love birds and she likes to party but never hooks up etc etc etc. Well he’s been pretty quiet lately which tells me that the secret network KNOWS that all is not happy happy in Martina/Alberto land.

Thanks for the clarification. Still would be surprised if Martina’s girlfriend has a libido equal to Martina. But we may never be fortunate enough to find out. I agree completely; your lesbian friend is spot on. This is why Martina masturbates tummy down. Other girls will spread their legs and shove fingers and toys in their pussy … to satisfy the camera … but Martina is only worried about her orgasm not the camera. It’s an attitude she has that attracts us to her.

Great post Molds. How can Martina’s girlfriend be her equal sexually? Maybe. But Martina makes love and fucks on cam for the internet to see. Not much tops this. It’s possible, but if the gf is shy in front of cams … for whatever reason … this puts Martina way above her gf sexually IMHO. It certainly “looks” like Martina wants to hide this relationship, but we do not know this for sure. Clearly the gf does not want to be on cam but this doesn’t mean Martina is hiding something. She is honoring her lover’s wishes. The GF could have a high level position or be a public official and cannot afford to be naked fucking on the internet. Maybe the gf is married! That would not be new to Martina. And of course while I don’t think she gives a shit about Alberto … she is not a ruthless bitch and might be sensitive to rubbing Alberto’s nose in her new found lesbian lover. I’ve always always said these two are very close and been together for a long time. They are FWB fuck buddies with lots of good memories. Sadly Alberto hoped for more. The fact he is not angry is more proof that he knew going in this was fuck buddies nothing more. Still he got too attached I think. She won’t want to destroy Alberto just because her life is going into a new direction. If she departs RLC I hope she goes out in a blaze of slutty glory!