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….. AND A PARTRIDGE IN A PEAR TREE! Merry Christmas all!

Nobody wants to see them fail. Another false premise you use as an excuse to destroy any observation that does not fit your narrative.

Point taken Ash. Although it did seem like Philo was being mostly sarcastic. I did see the ass grab and the bathroom incident in B4 and would agree I don't think these incidents tell us much of anything about what Martina does off-cam.

I like you a lot Naga but it's obvious now to me that you really have a bug up your ass when it comes to Philo. I could be wrong but he has highlighted lots of on-cam behavior but not once that I recall has he stated that Martina must be fucking constantly off cam. Of course after my posts over the last 24 hours I am viewed as a Philo defender. Why can't we just be civil?

OK. So he isn't there? He's back home alone with Taco. Perfectly normal Sat night for a couple in love. I don't she is fucking someone everytime she's not on cam. I don't think anyone has stated that here. The question is whether she is "true to Alberto". Like I said countless times. We are debating two very very similar scenarios. A FWB relationship and a committed "open" relationship is really just a matter of semantics at this point.

Alberto is with Martina? This is key information. This is one of the best things to see if you believe Martina and Alberto are a true couple. Why don't the Saint Martina crowd point this out. Me thinks they would rather destroy anyone who points out something Martina does that is sexy and perhaps slutty.

I rest my case. Pete: I have seen video of Martina at B7. She was very flirty with hoodie guy and he reciprocated. I am willing to stipulate that this probably doesn't mean very much. Read my post again, I am not calling any of this proof of anything. Some of you are so eager to destroy those who call out anything regarding Martina, that you don't act and think rationally and logically.

Thank you Laddie. PM it to me. 🙂

Because of some very generous friends here, I have seen the activities of Martina at B7 with the hoodie boy. God I miss her. She looked so hot at B7. But I digress. Two thoughts come to mind after seeing this footage: (1) I believe @philo gets treated like shit here when he highlights these Martina behaviors. She clearly was very flirty that evening and the guy did touch her breasts and was being flirty in return, etc., etc. But some here blasted Philo even saying this was just his imagination. Even when another poster confirmed he saw the same thing! (2) I don't think Martina's behavior in B7 that evening helps us in understanding what truly is going on between her and Alberto. We know she is a super sexy woman and very sensual, sexual, and flirtatious. What I saw in B7 could be acceptable behavior for Monogamous Martina, especially if Alberto was with her which we were told but I did not see him (of course if you get Martina footage in the mail, who the fuck is looking for Alberto?). BUT of course too, this behavior I saw would be consistent with FWB Martina as well. If she truly is FWB, she would be on the prowl at a party like this for certain. I think what perhaps frustrates some people here is that when Philo or others present some on-cam evidence like this, the implication is that Philo jumps to a speculation that Martina is a slut and this proves she is fucking off cam, etc., etc. I went back and looked at some of his posts and he does not do this. He simply offers these observations for further comment and analysis. I do think some people here are so invested in Monogamous Martina that when someone points something out that might be an observation that Martina is not "Saint Martina", the feeling is that this must be destroyed at all costs. It's curious that the Saint Martina crowd was quiet in response to Martina's sexy flirting in B7. Of course the standard answer is "she's that way, she loves Alberto, what they have is special". OK whatever. At the end of the day Martina was having fun at B7 and regardless what scenario you believe in, I don't think these observations conclude anything. She still appears to have a lot of fun off-cam but how much fun and what does it mean relative to her relationship with Alberto ... I don't think we know.

As mentioned, I've been on a bit of a sabbatical and have thought about jumping back into the fray but have been hesitant to do so. I know I have repeated myself ad nauseum here. But Moose brings up a point that I know I have commented on before but perhaps bears repeating or reminding. Don't panic, I don't think I am jumping back in full throttle! I think love can come in multiple forms and flavors and is something that can be a spectrum of emotions and not just a discreet ON/OFF type of an emotion. This should be evident by just considering how you love your spouse or significant other but you also love your children or your parents, etc. You may love a best friend but be "in love" with your spouse. My point is this is not black or white. So for Martina and Alberto to make love on cam and be part of this RLC project, they clearly have to have feelings for each other. It's obvious they are very close and very affectionate and they do in fact care for each other. There should be no doubt about this. This is NOT an act. In the other apartments, what we see is the "fake lesbian shows" which to me indicates that these people are work colleagues and perhaps friends but not really that close. The fundamental disagreement between factions here is whether "Alberto and Martina are truly committed to each other but have some sort of an open non-exclusive relationship when it comes to sex" ... OR ... whether "Alberto and Martina are close lifelong friends and fuck buddies or Friends With Benefits". Please note, and this is very important, that these two scenarios are VERY similar to each other and what we see on-cam does not give us a lot of information to determine which of these scenarios is the correct one. Both scenarios look the same to us on-cam. So to Moose's point, I do not think they are faking it. But I also don't think their affection tells us much about what scenario this couple is living under. I am open to either scenario and what made this fun for me was looking for evidence to see where this is going to go.

I’m here Mark. Thank you for your kind words. I have been on sabbatical for awhile now. I’ve been keeping up with the posts here but it’s been slow. For me to subscribe and get back into this, I need to see Martina do more on cam than just fuck Alberto. I still think there is a huge story to tell involving her off-cam life but I’m resigned to the fact we may never know what that looks like. And there are too many people who for whatever reason are too invested in protecting Martina’s image here. This has sucked all the fun out of participating here for me. I have no opinion on what has been going on this weekend. Hope they are having fun.

I believe in silver linings. No audio means we don't need the translators for this cam! Not trashing the translators. Just saying no translators no controversies. 🙂

I have always wondered about this but you state it as if it was a fact. What evidence do we have that this happens?

Understood. This is not the point I was making. You claim that many of us have never asked for help from the translators and prefer to just spout our own speculations and fantasies. I believe this is bullshit. Maybe some do that, but please don't paint all of us that way.

While I support the bulk of what you said in this post … this specific claim is patently false. I remember many times when someone would ask if anyone knows what they are talking about … or who is on the phone with Martina … etc … and nothing was proffered by the translators. So please don’t say help from the translators has not been requested. It has. And often it help is not provided. I believe this is time consuming work and I don’t fault the translators from not responding to every request. It also requires a REPLAY sub and it is not expected for them to pay to provide us with a valuable service. So I get it and I still value the help we get from our native language friends. But please don’t suggest no one asks. The other theory … might I say a speculation .. is that they only share translations that put this couple in a positive light. I don’t think it is universally true but maybe in some instances it is done inadvertently. Like I said it takes time and I would not want our translators to be wasting a lot of time here … none of us should be. So maybe some things get missed. Suggestion: CamCaps should add $5 to a premium membership and use that money to pay for reliable translations from certified translators … perhaps too pick up the cost of their REPLAY subscriptions. If CamCaps paid 1 or 2 euros for every 1000 words of translation … we would maybe get flooded with translations!!!

Philo, I don't think Dani (the big guy) is a love interest of Martina; however, I believe what you saw. Don't fall into the trap that DeepDave and others try to pull by denying what you saw and painting you as a lunatic. They do that often here. It's an interesting tactic. When something is indeed probably not likely (like Dani being a love interest), they will trash you mercilessly for even discussing it, as an attempt to destroy your credibility. You see the same behavior with Berty. YET, when something happens like the other night when Martina came home so drunk she vomited in the toilet ... everyone saw that ... and yet no comments from the St. Martina crowd at all. It feels to me like speculating is a cardinal sin here. I don't get it. There is a huge portion of their lives we don't see ... and most of us don't understand the language ... so what we do is SPECULATE. In fact, I contend that is a fundamental reason the forum exists. To help understand what might be happening, based on the behavior we DO SEE on cam. We should welcome speculations and use them to open our minds more and not be so set in our judgements of these people. But if you speculate here, you are labeled a traitor by the St. Martina crowd. All we have is speculations. Like tonight, what is she doing? Where is she going? Who is she with?

This I can agree with.

You have such crazy fantasies girl! We’ve seen this so many times before, can’t you dream up something different??

I am surprised that you two and a few others believe all these speculations are wild fantasies. With the possible exception for the speculation that Martina is a prostitute (which was not a fantasy but a hypothesis based on hundreds of hours of watching this couple) … I don’t think anyone is expressing wild fantasies about Martina. The fact of the matter is that Martina spends significant time away from Alberto partying. Most of us are simply speculating what she does when she is away from “the love of her life”. I don’t see how these are fantasies. I’ve stated many times before that you could likely be correct … she goes out and parties but stays faithful to Alberto. But it’s also possible … being bisexual … that she hooks up when she is out over night. This is not a fantasy but a conjecture. She’s done it before. The issue to me is not that your speculation - that this couple is solid - is correct … but how vociferously you defend these two. That itself seems to suggest you either know them or have some other agenda here. To think we gang up on this couple is ludicrous and suggests perhaps you and Kris need professional help rather than the rest of us which are simply responding to what we see on cam.

Agree Laddie. This was my attempt at sarcasm. This is not one of my stronger skills. The St. Martina crowd explains away much of the “peculiar” behaviors for this couple as “yes it’s not typical but it works for them”. Color me skeptical.

So no matter what Martina does, you will always spin it in a positive fashion? And you believe most of us are irrational? Can we stipulate that we ALL like this couple? Please anyone, respond here if you do not like this couple. I am guessing if you do not like this couple, you are not going to be wasting time on this thread. We all like Martina & Alberto. I know even the guy that speculated she was a prostitute, he loved her and was concerned about her. Many here are very concerned about her still to this day. But few defend her as if they are her attorney. I simply don't get it.

Again, how do you know this is the reason? To me, being irritated for her being out all night ... or perhaps finding the guest room bed more comfortable ... seem to be equally likely explanations. But as always, you choose to push the explanation that puts these two in the best light possible. At the end of the day, the reason WHY Alerto slept in the guest room is purely a speculation. Another explanation hinted at here: He slept in the guest room because Martina peed the bed!! Of course! That might be the best explanation to be honest! 🙂 By and large I agree with this. These two appear to be very considerate of each other for a couple that shares few interests other than fucking on camera.

Trying to decide whether I like Alerto or Alfredo better!!! LOL

Another nice summary Berty. Someone will try to refute it. Clearly there is a troubling pattern here. Maybe she is attending Bible Study … that’s why she is so happy. You can’t go to Bible Study without shaving! But what do we know? It works for this couple.

My recollection is that Alberto does most of the heavy lifting.