JenniferMom

I generally agree with your long post my good friend. But I hope we can love the translators and respect them and also have room to be skeptical at times. I do not see having some doubt as being insane. In fact treating their posts as gospel is insane. If I am not mistaken, there are several posts here over the last many years where the translators themselves have talked about how difficult this is and they might not always get it right.

Reading Yelt’s posts I am reminded of those old soap operas where the narrator guy at the end summarizes things with a series of questions. Will we see Martina finally come to terms with her bisexuality? Tune in next week for Hot Nights in Barcelona to find out!

I knew someone did!

No worries Dalbert. I was just teasing you. Yes I understand seductive posts.

Wow @Adalbert … I might be wrong, but I think it was you who once criticized the length of my posts! Regardless, as a long writer myself … I am impressed!!!

Funny to me that for a very long time we all talked and agreed on how open these two were and “Martina tells him everything” and now suddenly it seems like she is hiding things from him. Not really sure what to believe really. Also as for why Alberto puts up with it … this is obvious, he has an amazing woman really and as someone said recently is punching above his weight class. But if it’s true that she is abusing his trust and affections for her, he too will get decide enough is enough. I’m just not sure what we are really seeing right now with all of this.

I don’t think you can compare Martina and Masha. Masha is the perfect RLC cast member. She loves sex and loves to perform for others. Her sexual partners are all various degrees of friends with benefits. She does not seem to have a steady love interest and she seems happy that way. Although Martina is similarly open sexually compared to Masha, the similarity ends there. Martina has career aspirations and does not see herself as a sex worker. She has a serious boyfriend that she has some feelings for (the extent of which we debate here endlessly). Martina seems to be very bisexual whereas Masha seems to prefer a cock more often. I think Martina would prefer a cock but might hold back out of love/respect for Alberto. Most importantly, I think Martina has to have a deeper emotional connection with someone before she hooks up. I could be wrong about this since Martina seems to not want to share anything sexually on cam anymore. So bottom line, both girls are RLC stars, but for entirely different reasons.

Naga … I respect you a lot. You always strike me as pretty even keeled. But I am surprised you place so much confidence in these few translators. To you they are the final word it seems. First, I trust and depend on the translators a lot and have always said it’s time-consuming job so if we don’t respect them then it’s easy for them to say “fuck it I’m done here”. Second, what they do translate is accurate but they don’t catch everything. There have been times when Martina and Alberto have had serious conversations and these have been missed. I believe the parking lot incident has been confirmed by the translators. I can’t remember if this is true but I know @Deepdave has told us this was a mistake as a result of too much drinking and I know he has good connections to the translators. My point here is the same translators that said their sexual relationship has ended have also confirmed the parking lot incident. Again, I am repeating myself, but I just think we should all continue to observe and keep our minds open to anything. I do think it is puzzling IF they are still having sex why then off-cam? One explanation might be (long shot speculation!) that Alberto and Bogdan accept it as “just sex” but if they were to watch it they might be threatened as to how powerfully into each other these two are. Again that is a long shot. But Bogdan was OK with this initially but didn’t like it As much as time went on. But I can’t explain otherwise why these four if they have OPEN relationships with bisexual partners living in a place where the expectation is to show all … then why hide it??

Someone in Martina thread suggested they are teasing us by going into the garage. Maybe. But if they wanted to tease us, going into the garage and not having sex would get old for them I would think. Surely they know they could tease us like all the other girls do with a fake lesbian show. Perhaps they don’t trust themselves to keep such a show fake. We trust you Martina and Nelly!!!

I don't understand what you mean. I was thinking for them to party together At one point Alberto owed Martina a large sum of money.

How is paying back Alberto going?

More importantly ... it's one thing to only have cams. We can't hear anything in some rooms. When we do hear them talk it is in a language that only 10 people on the planet seem to understand. We have no insight into what happens off-cam. But now we want to know how she smells? If we only knew that, we could put all these speculations to rest!! Just teasing you Moose. I too would love to get close enough to her to smell her after a shower.

I like Moose's theory as well. But I would think if she was indeed at a job working, we would know this clearly by now. One of the translators would have heard them talking and would have quickly brought this into our conversation here. Look how fast they respond on other items like the trip to Croatia that was purely platonic etc., etc. We knew quite a bit about that off-cam trip. I sometimes fault the translators for not sharing "negative news" about this couple, but they always deliver on the positive news that supports the narrative that this this a healthy couple. The fact we haven't heard about Martina's job, makes me skeptical that she has one. But like all speculations, I hold them in suspense before making final judgement. Seriously I think she loves to party. That is her nature. I am willing to agree with @Deepdave and others that she likely does not hook up when she is out partying; however, I still don't think this is very healthy for her relationship with Alberto. Something is going to have to give at some point.

Agree Adalbert. I thought it was fun and very typical for Martina who is open. Not sure why anyone would be upset or irritated. Also I thought the same that this must not be new for Bogdan. But I can’t remember back a year ago. My only point is that her behavior might be evidence that everything is not hunky dorry with Alberto as some suggest. It was noted by someone that Alberto was not happy that she was carrying on like this although I think someone else felt differently.

Thank you Adalbert, I accept this. I said “to destroy her and her argument” but am really more focused on her argument. Don’t think anyone is trying to destroy her or anyone else here. Maybe some felt that way about Harley FB 😀 but he used to be good at pushing our hot buttons. My comments are simply aimed at how Dave and others are so quick to deflect when people bring up thoughts, theories, and yes speculations that might explain cast member behavior. Interestingly, sometimes the most damning behavior gets left untouched. I don’t have a sub and did not see this first hand … but it has been reported that Martina was acting very provocatively, flirting, and some might say slutty in the pool with Bogdan … giving Bogdan clear views of her breasts and pussy. I think this is normal for Martina and I kind of love her for being that way … but is this evidence of someone who has a solid relationship with Alberto? Maybe … but also maybe not.

@girlsfun2 clearly states at the top of her post that she is talking about the idea that maybe Martina is preparing to leave Alberto. That is her purpose. She makes a lot of good points. It’s ok to disagree with her. We are all free to do that. But you and a few others here seem to have an obligation to destroy her and her argument. She brings a lot of credibility to this as a woman and to suggest she is nothing but crazy is hugely insulting. I personally don’t think Martina is readying to leave Alberto but when I read her post I thought she made a lot of good points. Seriously? What percentage of people on the planet have extensive phone conversations between 1AM and 5AM? Is it a lover? Who knows. Likely not. But she does seem to want to hide this behavior from Alberto. Why? We all know “Martina tells Alberto everything”. So why hide this? The point is this is just one behavior that is a head scratcher. Maybe it means nothing more than Martina is an insomniac. Or maybe she is taking to someone in the states who would not be asleep. Yes she probably is not talking to a lover on the phone and yes she probably is not having sex off cam … but these are interesting behaviors that are not necessarily reflective of a strong healthy couple. The question to me is why you and others are so keen to destroy these observations. Instead it would be more constructive to point out behaviors that show this couple is super tight and are headed to a wonderful long term future.

Hi Berty. I think we are more aligned on how these two are carrying on, but I am curious … how do you know Alberto was a bit irritated? Little tidbits like this are extremely enlightening but very difficult to discern. If I had replay I would go check it out for myself as this could be subjective. Also … we hear that Martina tells him everything and they have an open relationship … but if he is annoyed by this and “sucking it up” … that will only last for so long.

I think I am in the group you are railing against but I wanted to say that I agree with you on this point. I do think they have a very open relationship. I think it might be so open as to not be much more than an FWB relationship. I am willing to say I could be wrong.

I could spend a lot of time refuting each point but there does not seem to be any purpose. You don’t refute each point because you can’t.

Why do you have to put this false strawman out there and then attack some of us as if this is our position? Neither Scots Laddie or Girlsfun ever said they hope this couple breaks up. No one really wishes this. You use this as a way to deflect us from things we see that indicate the relationship is not as healthy as you and others want us to believe. False strawman is a clever tactic but it is just a tactic. Nothing more. Go back to @girlsfun2 original post and tell is what If anything she said is not true.

I would hope that whatever negative feedback they read here does not cause them to change their behavior on cam. It would be delightful if these two couples became close and made love on cam. Certainly there are tons of more subscribers than the 20-30 most active and vocal posters here. Martina and Nelly had no issue sharing their affair with us. Why would that change?

Fuck. I jinxed it.

Don’t you have this on your phone? No excuse to stay in touch even at the beach or grocery store! Which leads me to a question for the veterans. My understanding is if you sign up for REPLAY, you automatically get last 24 hours. Is this true? Reason I ask is that I have been on RLC sabbatical as a sub. I keep telling myself that I will re-up as soon as something significant happens. A Martina-Nelly hookup or a magnificent orgy in B7 today would fit the bill. The Holly-Tereza action came VERY close to triggering me. This is actually a dumb strategy because even if we see a magnificent orgy today … I doubt we will see anything else so hot for months. I hope it’s true you get 24 hours on replay so I have a window to re-up if necessary. And RLC should pay attention … I don’t think I am only one waiting to re-up. Just saying. I think if we see Martina and Alberto together more like this … especially sexually … threesomes or moresomes … this would change everything in the debates we have on the other thread. It would be a good sight to see. I actually am wondering right now if we see a bit of a threesome/orgy today … what would my good friend @Deepdave say?? Over and out.

B7 only if we can’t find a rental in Martina’s apartment!

You send @girlsfun2 and I a plane ticket and tell us where to meet you … we will be there. Would love for you to show us around.