Deepdave

So what does this have to do with Martina and Alberto? You have gone a little off topic.

You called it political, not me. "It's people like this who are getting elected to political office nowadays."

Someone explained it to you. Was that not good enough? They did not tell you that you were wrong to question it. What esle do you want?

So now that you pointed this out, what did you see that was so significant that you needed to rant and rave about political views? I don't see anyone trying to refute what you saw or call you a liar. You saw what you saw and now what?

Thank you for giving me the last word. You are definitely a fair person for allowing me this honour.

The only reason you have brought up the your whole observation is to infer a sexual connotation or there would not be a purpose for this conversation in the first place, Since you started the conversation you are the one that is trying to gain attention for himself. I am responding and am also trying to gain attention.

Martina does not go onto the patio with very many people, except Alberto. We very rarely see Martina smoke. She does not smoke in the apartment. So if a friend comes over, the only place to smoke is on the patio. You, again, want to imply that she is having her pussy eaten when they are on the patio. Very unlikely, as you have never seen Martina go naked or semi-clothed onto the patio due to probable anti-nudity laws in public in Spain (except perhaps at the beach)

You continue to comment on this phenomenon that Martina "straddled" the "Big Guy" (whose name is Dani). It is obvious that this was not done as sexual manoeuvre but as a "hey it's great to see you and I am so happy, I want a big hug". No more sexual connotation.

Your belief system is faulty. You are saying that "If you did not see it, then it must have happened" or you would not have said it in the first place. Sorry, but if you did not see it, then anything could have happened, but most likely nothing.

Your observation that this visitor likes to straddle Martina when sleeping and Martina does not straddle while sleeping may simply be her sleeping preference, and nothing sexual. I do not believe that i have ever seen Marttina and Alberto straddle while sleeping. In fact Martina often wants her own sleeping space and that is perhaps the reason that we see Martina and Alberto sleep in different areas of the apartment. It's a sleeping preference, not a sexual preference. The visitor, on the other hand, may like to straddle with her partner. So goes a possible explanation.

Who or what is a skippy? Isn't skippy a peanut butter?

Wow, I really got the forum going. First, there is no doubt that Nelly has a drug and alcohol problem. When she is severely intoxicated she becomes incoherent and throws up all over the place. If you had a subscription you would actually see it happen. That is nasty. I did not mean that she was verbally nasty, although she has stomped off and disappeared when she has had arguments with Martina. These arguments have been clearly seen on RLC in the past. These are not my imagination. The past sexual encounters between Martina and Nelly (specifically in the parking lot, involved significant drunkedness to the point where Martina was also incoherent). It is my understanding that when they do not get drunk, they do not fuck. This fact comes from one of the trusted translators. But most of the trash talkers do not believe the translators so that is why your wrath should fall upon me for saying suck a terrible thing. Martina will see the light with Alberto's help. She will succeed at school and get out of this "rathole" called RLC. I call it a "rathole" because it is not a normal life. They have tried their best to portray a normal life, but it is far from normal. I repeat, Martina and Alberto, will escape "us" together and have a great life in the future. Right now they are just entertaining us and giving us something to write and talk about on a daily basis.

You have forgotten that Nelly has drug and alcohol problems. When she has problems she is not very nice. It is Martina's good heart to try to help her that she continues to maintain this friendship. But I do not think Alberto likes Nelly because he remembers that Nelly is a bad influence on Martina. As long as Nelly and Martina stay away from drugs and booze, when they get together, their friendship will work. But normally Nelly's sobriety does not last long and when that happens she becomes nasty. I hope Alberto can convince Martina to keep her friendship as a secondary priority because school is starting soon and Martina has to focus on her future, not trying to make Nelly happy. I don't think she can do both at the same time..

Thanks for correcting me. Hey Berty, it just further shows that there is no torid love affair going on in these late night calls.

Hi Berty & Bubba The two of you are such trash talkers. Martina was up last night primarily because she is having trouble sleeping. So she was playing games with her brother (for a while), then Luis. You have decided that she is having a torrid love affair over the phone with a gay guy. Good luck. They are good friends and that’s all. Alberto knows that Martina is having sleep problems and he understands. She went to bed to see him before he left for work. She even got up and spoke to him some more. Martina is working through some difficult personal problems but she is smart and along with Alberto will work them out. I think that it’s fun that Martina is reading about money. I think she intends to make a lot of money and reading books about money does not hurt. It won’t be long before Martina & Alberto do not need RLC and they will leave. Then you will have to find someone else to trash.

Why don't you just enjoy watching them fuck rather than creating fantasies that could be interpreted 150 different ways as you have agreed. Her meeting a boy 5 years ago does not mean anything except in your dreams.

Sorry Darkman. You must have been a bit tipsy last night. You repeated yourself at least 3 times - over and over and over. You also have a Nelly fetish. Too bad. Get sober.

Your hate is so unnaturally strong. Good luck with your bad feeling. Notre haine est si anormalement forte. Bonne chance avec votre mauvais pressentiment.

Wow - you have a real hate on for Martina. If I didn't know better you sound like a person who use to be a very good friend of hers and is no longer and now you miss her. Wow - vous avez une vraie haine pour Martina. Si je ne te connaissais pas mieux, tu ressembles à une personne qui était une très bonne amie à elle et qui ne l'est plus et maintenant elle te manque.

My point is that there are certian contributors to the forum who consider Martina as immoral because she is bi-sexual and she, according to them, cheats on Alberto. My further point is that these contributors are immoral becasue they are both voyeurs on RLC and therefore themselves are immoral. Jen - I neither think that you or I are immoral. We do not condemn Martina and Alberto for their lifestyle. It is their's to choose and be happy. If Alberto is not upset about Martina's friendship with Nelly and is aware of this friendship (whether sexual or not) it is not cheating. Bogdan, on the other hand, did not want them to continue to have a sexual relationship and if Nelly persisted with a sexual relationship then it would be cheating. Secondly, I have not indicated that Martina is not be having other sexual activities wih othe women. If she is, Alberto would be OK with them if he were aware of them. But I believe that he would not be happy if she had sex with another man. If she did, that would be cheating.

Why do you get involved in this forum. I think it's fun that we both have moral problems. But the difference is that our moral problem is not a problem. It is entertainment. Martina and Alberto are entertainers. But I believe that dispite what I have said about them, they do love each other and they do have a goal in life. They will be gone form RLC soon because they will not need to entertain us any longer. They know exactly what they are doing. Wish them luck for their future becasue they will be succesful together witout us.

Martina is not a cheater. Because of their open relationship, sex is an amusement. She has sex with other women, but it is physical not emotional (except Nelly who got more involved with Martina until Brogdan protested). Alberto does not stop her as long as she tells him. He can not stop her anyway. She has her bi-sexual sex and then she fucks the shit out of Alberto and vice versa. The problem is all in our minds. We deem them to have their moral problems but then we have our own moral problems by watching them plus being intrigued by any off-cam action that we can fantacize. Their goal is to make us believe that they are being bad. That's what makes them even more interesting to all of us. By the way, I renewed my subscription.

You read a story about a man who was cheated on by his wife and automatically assumed that Martina is also a cheater. There is no doubt that things can happen off-cam that could make you doubt the authenticity of Martina but you can only judge what you can see, not what you make up or fantasize. You only know about the woman cheating on her husband becasue you have been told that it's happening, otherwise you would never know. Your point does not hold water and therefore has no applicability here.

So what you are saying is that you can’t trust anyone. Everyone is a liar. How do you get through life thinking that everything everyone tells you is a lie?

Thank you. I let my subscription go but I may renew now.