Let me just say one thing,,,, You can always catch more bees with honey vs with vinegar,, If people always say negative things about these women then don't be surprised if after they read some of those comments they actually shut down and do even less stuff than before,,,, I have never in my life seen anyone do a better job at anything after they get treated like shit.
Be more positive and more encouraging in your posts towards these ladies and you may be surprised at how much better things may turn out in the end,,, I know what I'm talking about and an example is on the previous page,,,just minutes after asking nicely she gave me a taste of what I asked for,,,and if they read these forums often then they will know who to listen to vs who to ignore. People like me who don't treat them like crap will most of the time get our wishes granted.
Be Nice please