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I also doubt GF4 would "lower" her standards to live in this apartment. Given her presumed education and occupation, she likely makes really good money and has a very nice place of her own. Why would she ditch that to live here?? What you say is correct. But that's not the real reason. What Moosecini writes is also correct. However, GF4 can and will never go into this RLC environment because of the cameras. The real reason is different: Martina said about 2-3 months ago: She doesn't want to share her life with Alberto in the future, but also doesn't want to share it with GF4. It's obvious that GF4 is really and deep in love with Martina. But when GF4 says to her "I love you", Martina feels crushed or taken in possession of (her own words). She doesn't like feelings like that. She wants to be totally free, she wants to be able to fuck an other woman any time she wants or needs it. And she needs it more often. She needed it about two months ago for example......

Sorry,where is question already answered?

Thanks for your remarks. Martina gave a clear answer to your suggestion about 3 months ago. And you've already given the answer. She doesn't want to live with neither Alberto nor with GF4 in the future. The reason is clear: (Statement Martina). I don't let anyone dictate how I live and who I live with and where I live. And GF4, as Martina says, is assertive and possessive but very sexy. I'm pretty sure GF4 has already offered Martina to move in with her. So Martina is in a real dilemma. She will never never find someone like Alberto again. He is her servant, housemaid and adviser. And he gives her all the freedom she needs. But he's now realizing that it can't last forever. He will perish. Exciting weeks are ahead of us....

About a week ago I published a summary here with a lot of background information regarding Martina and wrote a bit about GF4 (Girlfriend #4: (Martina's fourth lesbian relationship)). Apparently, CC didn't want this information to become known and my post was deleted after a few hours. In order to understand or assess the past and the current situation however, one have to know some background. As paying subscribers, we should have a right to know why our girl Martina for we're paying a lot of money for, doesn't want to entertain us anymore. Now that Martina is traveling for few days stupid discussions and speculations begin again. Martina went with GF4 (and Taco) by car to a nice hotel in the mountains behind Barcelona to spend a nice time together. The reason could be (attention assumption): A year ago (beginning of September) the two met and immediately started fucking hard. Since then, the two have been spending a lot of time together including a holyday at a Balearic island. So they're probably celebrating their one-year anniversary now.

Thanks, I saved it before transferring it to CC.

Well written darkman, thanks. However, you have to comply with the laws of CC, otherwise it's like me: My contribution to Martina and Alberto was simply deleted. All deleted and gone without a trace. My intention was to put an end to the many rumor’s, assumption’s and partial insinuations. After extensive research, I have compiled a number of facts. Facts don't seem welcome here, though. Somehow I feel really screwed. I have gathered from your last posts that you understand a great deal about the matter (example cognitive dissonance). I also read (and filed) your (correct) assessment of the situation between Martina and Alberto about 1 or 2 years ago.

This is not an opinion, but a true wisdom of life. If you'd read my post carefully, you wouldn't have missed what a shitty life Alberto leads. It's a life of humiliation, lies and contempt.

Nobody is forced to read this forum. There are enough others. I think this forum is very exciting to follow. Tell me a couple at RLC where the partner spends a number of nights alone outside the apartment. And when the partner (like Martina today) comes home at 6:39 in the morning, the partner kisses her seven times and caresses her bottom eight times within 20 minutes and she is boredly watching her cell phone. This is true love. Tell me an RLC couple where the partner has hot lesbian sex with another woman and the male partner sits next door in the living room and plays computer games. The annoyance comes from the fact that many RLC members see that most of the interesting stuff happens outside of the apartment. However, a small group of forum members denies or trivializes everything and sometimes behave like censors. As a result, these people achieve exactly the opposite of what they want and provoke other members. Neither side has evidence of what is actually happening outside the apartments. But there is evidence that there were many nights like the last night where Martina was out all night and often came home drunk or stoned. I don't like these conflicting posts in the forum at all. I have described the reason for this already. A specific suggestion: If these people with detailed knowledge know exactly what is happening during these nights, then please share it here. Then all the speculation is superfluous. If they don't know themselves, they should keep quiet. Then the evidence to the contrary will be less. Sorry, just my opinion.

Search Notice A young attractive woman from Barcelona has been missing her t-shirt since Oct. 12. She left her apartment at 7:12 p.m. on Oct. 1, accompanied. When she came home alone at 7:03 the next morning, while undressing, she realized that her new expensive t-shirt had been inexplicably lost. Description: Young pretty and attractive woman, slim, about 25 years old, long brown hair. Clothing: Black bra, tan panties, tight blue jeans, blue tank top/T-shirt, white button down dress shirt-long sleeve, white spotted sneakers, brown round handbag, necklace, ear rings. If you can provide any information on the whereabouts or the location of the T-shirt, please contact us here. Thanks in advance.

Thanks for the correction. Sorry for my mistake.

There is an awkward discussion going on here for months. One side claims things that may or may not be true. And immediately the small fraction of Martina defenders react and argue as if they know the truth, but also have no evidence. A forum friend from the USA drew my attention to something that I investigated more closely. I've finally found a piece of circumstantial evidence, and I'm curious to see what the Martina defenders' answer is. On October 2nd, the evening after the birthday party with the hot girl called Barbina (formerly Zeus) and Martina's travel companion Luis, Martina left the apartment around 6 p.m. She comes back around 10:30pm and seems a little drunk. She takes off her jeans in the living room. Alberto is right next to it. He immediately sees that Martina has put on the panties the wrong way round (front is at the back). She immediately takes it off and puts it back on the right way round. (I've checked when she went away it was the right way around). The reaction of Martina and Alberto is worth seeing. Stupid question: are there panties that rotate by themselves? For those who want to see for themselves: 2 Oct shower, pussy shaved, etc. 17:46 Underwear put on 18:07 M leaves apartment, takes home-made terrarium with her. M about 10:30 p.m. home and eats what Alberto has just gotten from a fast-food restaurant. 22:51 takes off jeans. Alberto sees the wrong panties. M takes off panties and puts them back on the right way around. I hope I didn't make any observation error, I checked everything twice.

Nelly back in the apartment at 5:31 p.m.......

Many Thanks. Excellent post. Appropriate for your post: Nelly left the apartment with luggage on Saturday at 08:23. Martina left the apartment with her parents on Saturday at 3:14 p.m. to go to her hometown. Coincidence or a joint stay in Valencia planned? Anyone know more about this?

Thanks for your ex Thank you for your explanations. I may soon get a translation of the conversation in the sleeping room from a translator who understands the dialect well. You're right, Martina's appearance has changed to her disadvantage in recent months.

This may be an answer to your question: Saturday night they prepared for a party in Martina's apartment. There was a strange occurrence: Martina, Alberto, Zeus and Luis left the apartment together. The next morning Martina came home alone and she was very upset but also insecure. (see below) Her friend Zeus and Martina's travel companion Luis were there. Zeus is a very attractive girl. When they both stood in front of the mirror in the bathroom, you could think they were twin sisters. Luis is a crazy guy, more female than male. 00:56 you can see his face (Hall) very close, he looks like a young girl. 00:53 Luis hugs Martina and puts his hand in her hair several times. Crazy: Luis seems to be more of a lesbian woman with small breasts than a man. He (she) is attracted to Martina since she is also a lesbian. Then he would not be gay, but the woman in him seeks contact with men. Really crazy, too complicated. 00:59:45 (Hall), everyone including Alberto leaves the apartment for a party. 06:49 Martina comes home alone Runs through the apartment looking for Alberto, long phone call (probably with Alberto), Martina very angry. 06:56 Martina in the bedroom, not clearly visible, but looks like she's crying 07:04 Alberto comes home 07:06 violent and loud discussion/quarrel in the bedroom 07:09 Martina goes to bed upset. 07:31 Alberto goes to bed 12:37 Martina starts having sex. Once again she made Alberto peaceful and happy. Does anyone know why Alberto came home later? Did he leave the party early?

Ich habe keine Ahnung ! So ein Blödsinn! Von Diskotheken war hier überhaupt nicht die Rede. Diese nennt man auch in Barcelona Clubs. Ich habe geschrieben: In Germany there are usually nightclub hostess (Animierdamen) in the nightclubs. Ihr blöder Übersetzet hat daraus gemacht: "In Deutschland gibt es in den Diskotheken meist Animierdamen. ". Peinlich..... Ich bin Deutscher und rede hier von Nachtclubs und Nacht-Bars wie sie es in Hamburg-St.Pauli, Frankfurt und München, St. Peterburg, Moskau, usw. gibt. Und da kommt nicht nur jeder rein, sondern die Leute werden von "Anreisser" oder "Koberer" auf der Straße angesprochen und in die Nightclubs gelockt. Beruflich war ich oft mit ausländischen Geschäftsleuten (Kunden, Geschäftspartner) unterwegs, für die war z.B. das Safari in St.Pauli eine echte Attraktion, sie wollten unbedingt dahin, weil auf der Bühne gefickt wurde, was es nur in wenigen Länder gibt. Die prüden Amerikaner waren da meist sprachlos und begeistert. Kaum war man an einem Tisch gesessen, kamen die Animierdaten. Einige von den Geschäftspartner haben die richtig ausgenommen. Hier wurde also überhaupt nicht von Diskotheken gesprochen, sondern von Bars und Nightclubs. Nach Berichten im Internet ist die Situation in Barcelona jedoch in letzter Zeit ziemlich schlimm geworden, weil es überall Protestuierte gibt. Sie haben wohl meine Schilderung von der Vergangenheit des Appartment B4 in Barcelona wie so vieles andere überhaupt nicht verstanden. Wie haben Sie so schön geschrieben: Wenn man keine Ahnung hat sollte man lieber schweigen......

It's bad enough that there are people here speculating about things they haven't seen. These people may or may not be right. Worse, however, are the people who deny things despite video evidence. And you probably belong to this group. I only report about things in this forum I've seen myself and I mostly have videos about the scenes. You wrote: "I am sure now covid is over, sort of, she has return to working, serving drinks, on her feet for 7 hours." Martina goes to school from Monday to Friday. Then how can she work in a bar during the night? So you saying she's a waitress who brings drinks to the tables? Do you have any evidence that she is now back working in a bar as a barmaid/waitress? BTW: The term "bar" means absolutely nothing, there are big differences from country to country. In Germany a bar ranges from a drinking restaurant, discotheque, club, nightclub to a brothel. In Germany there are usually nightclub hostess (Animierdamen) in the nightclubs. They sit down with the guests and encourage them to invite them to an extremely expensive bottle of champagne. And these ladies drink a lot because they share in the profit. These clubs often have rooms upstairs where you can fuck with these ladies. Or you can take them to the hotel room. It was reported that house B-4 was used by such ladies to end the night to fuck with the Russian guests... You wrote: “So, when she arrives back, she is tired and cracked not drunk/stoned.” Martina came home drunk several times during the night or after 7 or 8 the next morning. Which bars are open until 8 am in Spain? Once she was lying drunk on the floor in the hallway when she got home (Evidence : Video) You wrote: "I have not seen her puke, don't have that cam view!!" Recently (Sept.22) did she come home drunk and/or stoned at about 3 a.m. On Sept. 22, 02:36:00 she fell against the wall in the hallway. Evidence: see post On 9/22/2022 at 4:03 AM, philo said: 0314 am, Upon returning from the balcony Martina stopped at the hallway bathroom. She knelt down on her knees before the porcine throne, grabbed her hair and held it to the back of her head, leaned forward and .. I added in my post: I think she threw up at 2:58 for the first time. Then she went into the kitchen to rinse with water. At 03:14 she threw up for the second time. 03.17:26 she gets up with difficulty. Evidence: Reply, Camera 11 Bathroom (Hallway), use kitchen camera if you would like to hear it. Just have to look at the bottom of the picture. Check it out if you want to do that to yourself. You wrote: "So why would Alberto be bothered, she is only working a normal job in a bar." Haven't you ever seen the usual arguments in the bathroom when she's not home for a night? Alberto is not happy about the entire situation. But he's trapped. You wrote: “there are 3 very good Spanish dating apps, she is more likely to use one of them.” Do you have any evidence or is this speculation? You wrote: “She visits friends and drinks with them, sometimes in bars, very rarely nightclubs, just too expensive and rave music” Don't you see the contradiction: you say she works in a bar. You wrote “I think she would prefer Spanish music to dance to” Haven't you seen her dancing to pop music? She often dances and practices like a go-go girl. She often carries her JBL box with her and listens to english / american pop music and popular oldies. Never heard Spanish music. Evidence: several videos. Please excuse everyone for this long post, but I can't stand these discussions in this forum anymore. Most of them like Martina 1 (I really like her), but many finally want to know what Martina 2 does when she's off-cam. I wish her so much that she successfully completes her studies and returns to a normal life.

Many thanks for your answer. Did you see the individual scenes carefully?

I'm a bit surprised that apart from girlsfun no one has commented on Martina's long night. Here is just a short version: 19:05 Martina leaves the apartment Alberto sleeps on the couch in the living room. 02:15 M back after seven hours, difficulty walking and coordination, no puke today. 02:42 long and intensive cuddles with Alberto 02:44 Walk with Taco 02.58 balcony (to smoke?) 03:20 Martina bed 05:02 Alberto goes to bed (usually he gets up now) 08:17 Alberto stands up ca 10:20 am Alberto cuddles in bed with Martina. She does everything to make him peaceful. 10:33 am Martina gets up. about 12.00 M & A together major cleaning living room (very clever Martina!) 12:38 Sex in bed Martina has incredible talent to make Alberto happy. The long night outside is forgotten. However: How about Martina's school today? Why is Alberto not at work today? Public holyday in Barcelona?

I I have tested several programs for Spanish. None of them translated anything meaningful. I'm using a semi-professional language translation from German language to German text for professional reasons. This program works incredibly reliably as long as you speak pure German without a dialect. This manufacturer also offers a version for Spanish, but only for the Basque Spanish dialect. That's the problem. I think (but I'm not sure) both Martina and Alberto speak a strong Valencian dialect. All speech recognition and text translators fail because of this. I live in the south-west of Germany. There are many villages where a strong dialect is spoken. A German from Northern Germany understands almost nothing..... In Spain, I was told, the differences are even greater. Means no chance for a program. Hope could help you.

Show me at least one example of this untrue claim.

Martina 22:09 back with their friend. Seems my expectations for tonight were wrong.

The normal procedure: Went to the guest room this afternoon to jerk off to a nice orgasm. Then fucked for an exit ticket: next orgasm rubbed on Alberto's knee, juice ran out of her pussy. Then at 19:07 disappeared. This afternoon she spoke to Luis on the phone (pretty sure). Tonight she took her old laptop with her. She got a new one a few days ago. No more speculation... Alberto really is that naive. He thinks she's satisfied now, on the contrary she's just warming up.

Well observed. Thanks. I think she threw up at 2:58 for the first time. Then she went into the kitchen to rinse with water. Use the kitchen cam to hear the sounds. At 2:36:00 she fell against the wall in the hallway. Really awful to see how Martina is handling her beautiful body: Smoking, drinking, drugs, little sleep, poor fast-foot diet. No school today? Or skipped?