JenniferMom

HMMMM very interesting. I recall the reason for the 20 page limit was due to traffic not being robust enough. I should go back and check (but I won't) but didn't we go to 20 pages when Nelly and Martina separated (or at least attempted to separate)? Now that we see Nelly and Martina on cam for the first time in months ... we are back to 30 pages! Happy Days are hear again!

Excellent point TLE.

And hence proving DD's point LOL. Can't believe I am saying this but perhaps it is comforting to know the old Harley is still a bit there!

I am going to have to agree with Harley over my girlfriend on this one. But I think there is a huge age factor in this. Older men would certainly not put up with how Martina acts and we see this here. I think the men here who believe strongly that Martina is just having fun when she goes out all night ... that desire to believe that is coupled to not ever wanting to have a woman lover who was like Martina, i.e. they are projecting. Not so sure about younger men. We do have evidence that Bogdan acts like an older man and wants to control Nelly ... but Alberto seems cool with all of this. Sad that we don't have young guys on this forum ... but I am guessing they don't need to be here as they are getting all the action they want for real!

NO a whale does not. So we agree that she isn't an exhibitionist? I don't have a firm position on this. I can accept that you have to be a bit of an exhibitionist to even agree to be on RLC.

Thinking about that last post inspired by @chuck206 it got me to thinking that it is possible that Martina would only become sexual on cam if she was an exhibitionist. So at the all night parties there are no cams so Martina behaves and doesn’t become frisky. It’s possible I suppose. 😀 Is she an exhibitionist? Crazy question I know right? Everyone on RLC are exhibitionists aren’t they? I am not sure. My understanding is that exhibitionists “get off” on performing sex in front of audiences. It doesn’t appear to me that being on cam turns her on or she gets off on it. She was very shy when she first kissed Nelly in the kitchen. Why not be open there? She does very few “fake lesbian” shows and now that Nelly is out of the picture she hasn’t done anything like that. She is very open about her body and likes to show it off … is not modest at all … but she certainly didn’t get aroused by showing her body to her brother. She is very naturally sexy that way but she doesn’t appear to be someone always showing off. Interesting question I think. So add that to the list off issues to beat to death here … is Martina an exhibitionist?

This is a very brilliant observation. The people who believe nothing sexual happens during Martina’s all-nighters would also have to believe she only gets frisky and sexual ON CAM when she is tipsy. If she is OFF CAM, getting tipsy does not have the same effect on her apparently. Yeah right. Well done Charles #206!

Yes of course no one wants this. But I was thinking ... along with @Adalbert that other kids would find these videos and use them to harass and make fun of Martina's kids.

Hopefully children wouldn’t be able to find and see these videos! But I know that kids are clever and scary smart when it comes to the internet. Maybe the kids have figured out how to find these videos on Hot Scopes without the bazillion link redirections!

@Adalbert ASKED ABOUT CONSEQUENCES IN THE LAST THREAD ... Interesting question. Consequences due to being on RLC? Or consequences from all-night party activities which may or may not include hook ups? I think the RLC consequences outweigh just about everything else. This video will be on the internet for a long long time. But to me, Martina is one person who is not shy or worried about this. I suppose if you can shower with your brother watching, she doesn't mind that there are people who love watching her and love how beautiful and sexy she is. This is why we all love her I think.

This is where we need to be more nuanced and if not we risk being hurtful toward Martina. I don't believe (and neither do others like girlsfun and yelt I think) that Martina will fuck anyone just for the purposes of having an orgasm. She does seem to be appropriately choosy and really will only hook up when the vibe is right. Of course alcohol plays a role in this. But it's obvious from things we see on cam that she is not shy and if the opportunity presents itself, she will go for it sexually. That is all I am saying. And I am happy for her if she is finding sexy people to hook up with and even if she is a bit slutty which she seems to be when she is horny and super turned on. But I would never suggest for a minute that she is a tramp.

Yes this is why I am here too. I totally agree we should never be hurtful. Like “slot” … I am not sure what “abstruse” means. Note to self to look this up. But the issue we have is we disagree on what is hurtful. Believing Martina is out having fun and having sex is not hurtful. Some of us including me is happy for her. She is a very sexual person and I love seeing her be open and free with her sexuality. To me it is not hurtful to think of her as a slut when she is out on the weekends. Is this hurtful to Alberto? Maybe but who’s fault is that if in fact that is happening? Recall she even refers to herself as a slut at times when she says “make me your puta”. It’s really difficult for me to see anything anyone has said about Martina as being hurtful. She is clearly one of the most loved RLC cast members. So some of us have these feelings and beliefs about Martina that may or may not be true. But it seems like the only people we hurt are those that want to view her as perhaps their own girlfriend/lover and they can’t fathom their girl behaving like this.

No one here is an expert. We all express our opinions based on what we see on cam and what our beloved translators share with us. Speaking for myself, I am firm in my convictions but I have always said I could be wrong. But when those of you reject the speculations of Yelt, Girlsfun, me, and others with such firm conviction and really a sense of arrogance … who’s acting like an “expert” now? You “experts” may reject our speculations, but no one has come up with a good explanation around Martina’s all-nighters except “nothing to see here … she just likes to dance and have fun and she is true to Alberto”. I don’t buy it. But it could be the correct assessment.

So she is out on another all-nighter without Alberto?

Sorry I am late to the party on this … but did Holly hook up with Masha on cam during her visit to Rome? You guys know me well enough by now. It seems there is a friendship and an attraction between these two. Wondering (hoping) if something more blossoms. I am guessing the answer is NO but I need to be sure 😀. I would hope if something did happen … it would have blown the lid off this website.

How long have you been a subscriber. Martina and Nelly started over a year ago. I think on New Year's perhaps 2021? I joined shortly thereafter ... when their relationship was hot and heavy.

I don’t remember Carlos hitting on Martina either but Carlos hit just about everything he got near so I am willing to give Yelt the benefit of the doubt on this one.

Believe it or not I do think of myself as a pretty “black and white” person Dalbert. I think love should be narrowly defined such that a person can only really truly love just one person. We all search for that person is is your true soulmate. I was raised this way. But I am not arrogant enough to imagine that maybe love also comes in different flavors and maybe it is possible for someone to have such strong affection for others that they define it as love. I think polyamory is possible with humans. I definitely think this dynamic is correlated to sex and more predominant in women. I think men tend to either want to love just one woman OR not really love any but rather see themselves as mostly means to reproduce. But what do I know? I fill my time chatting on an internet message board about people having sex on camera.

I am willing to stipulate the affair is over. I am only contending that they love each other or at least still have deep feelings. Drunk or not, the parking lot wouldn’t have happened if they did not vibe on each other. I agree they are not making love … and I agree Martina is trying to break this off. This would explain rumblings we hear that Martina is looking for another bisexual lover or perhaps a threesome. She wants to move on from Nelly but I believe she is reluctantly moving on … mostly out of respect for Nelly’s marriage and the fact Nelly is a basket case. I am talking about feelings here. You can’t see or hear feelings unless they are expressed in behavior that we can see and hear. You are right I can’t prove anything. I started to think Martina was over Nelly until the parking lot incident happened. Now I remain convinced she has a place in her heart for Nelly. But she is working to put Nelly behind her.

Admittedly @girlsfun2 is a bit over the top in her exuberance and enthusiasm, and none of this can be proven. But equally true, you cannot prove that she is wrong. What also cannot be proven perhaps, but what is undeniably true, is Martina and Nelly’s love for each other. Just because the steamy on-cam sex has disappeared, this does not make their passion go away. They don’t have to tell us on-cam … you can see it in their behaviors … even if it is only sharing their parking lot hookup with Alberto. And come to think of it, Nelly did say on cam to those boys that she had a girlfriend that she loves very much. Don’t think much has changed from Nelly’s POV. As for Martina, she is trying to maintain a distance, but her heart won’t easily be denied. We may not “see” it, but history is littered with true love stories between people who for whatever reason are not allowed to be together. I think the French have a phrase for this. "la douleur exquise“. Maybe someone from France can help us understand this. I’m thinking Westside Story or Romeo & Juliet.

So tell us Dave, what did Alberto and Marta talk about?

This makes no sense. If someone is attracted to Martina … they will want to be with her … perhaps with Alberto. I know I would. Seeing her on RLC would not satisfy the desire at all. In fact, all you guys that think Alberto sucks at making love … I have to imagine seeing him must inspire you to show Martina how a real man should love her!

Will not happen since the girls left without him, once again. I think he really needs to work on his social skills....😖🤦‍♂️ What???? No Alberto? I have to stop getting sucked in by the posts here. No worries, nothing to see here. These two love each other deeply.

I would think most guys would simply LOVE to come home with two drunk girls under his arms!

I am not criticizing her lifestyle. I love her lifestyle and perhaps am obsessed over her because I desire to have her lifestyle myself. I am very happy for Martina. I assume most monogamous couples have enough space in their relationship for "girls night out" and "boys nights". But the fact that you seem concerned about how long she stays out, this seems to support my argument that these evenings are not healthy for her relationship with Alberto. Again, I am not concerned about her relationship with Alberto. I think this is a casual FWB relationship at best. I could be wrong and I actually hope I am wrong. Exactly. Of course. But I am *sure* she totally loves him and would do *anything* to stay with him. Maybe it's the Greek love god Eros (yes Eros, not @ddhm) who has preordained these two to be together until death do them part. I adore you ADALBERT. I have been accused that I am too invested in Martina and at some point perhaps I was. But it is so cute to me how much you want these two to succeed. I am with you my friend.