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21 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said:
And your source is Time Magazine?No wonder you have such a warped view of America and Trump supporters.
Pathetic mate, just pathetic. Are you not tired of constantly attacking sources of evidence because they do not fit the lies you choose to believe? At what point and how will you accept the truth that's in front of your eyes instead of the propaganda that's being fed to you? This story is all over the fucking news, you fucking weirdo - except for Fox News who say these detention centres are like summer camps.
Educate yourself, you sorry excuse for a human being.
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Just now, Maturin said:
I did not say that the KKK flag was in the first photo. What a fucking weird thing for you to say?
"What a fucking weird thing, EVEN, for you to say." 😂
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1 minute ago, Ridgerunner said:
I didn't say the KKK was not in the march.I asked about a KKK flag in the photo of the neo-Nazis just to prove how little you know about America.
I did not say that the KKK flag was in the first photo. What a fucking weird thing for you to say?
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4 minutes ago, Maturin said:
This is getting ridiculous now. You people cannot live in the US. The levels of your underinformed opinons is simply staggering.
Charlottesville, KKK
Unless you provide some alternative evidence it is obvious that none of you live in the US as it appears that you've got no fucking idea what is going on in that country. There were no decent people marching along side, in front or behind the Nazis and the KKK. Period.
There's a lot of what the world considers real Americans in this photo This is the US that I love. Decent people fighting against fascism and oppression. Fighting for the real American values of peace and liberty, taking a stand against the right wing bigots that lie and disgrace your flag- shame that there are only a couple of those real Americans in this thread but this photo gives me hope for your nation.
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5 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said:
There were people marching in the parade,but not under the Nazi flag. Good or bad the monuments are a part of America's history,and many people who live in the South have relatives who died in the war fighting for the Confederacy,and they view those statues as a way of honoring their family members who died in the war. KKK flag?
This is getting ridiculous now. You people cannot live in the US. The levels of your underinformed opinons is simply staggering.
Charlottesville, KKK
Unless you provide some alternative evidence it is obvious that none of you live in the US as it appears that you've got no fucking idea what is going on in that country. There were no decent people marching along side, in front or behind the Nazis and the KKK. Period.
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9 minutes ago, SPYING 1 said:
This family residential centers your talking about is funded by who ?? The American taxpayers, why should we pay for illegal law breakers.
Yeah, you paid your taxes for Donald 💩 to remove children and babies from their parents to be kept in cages under armed guard, so why not pay for that not to happen? In fact your taxes, 458 million USD of your taxes, went to ONE company in order to lock up children and babies in cages. http://time.com/5316722/nonprofit-paid-458-million-trump-administration-detain-migrant-children-family-separation/
SERIOUSLY DO ANY OF YOU LIVE IN THE US, HOW DID YOU NOT KNOW ABOUT THIS FOR FUCK'S SAKE?
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6 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said:
He was speaking of people who were for and against keeping Civil War monuments in place,not neo-Nazis.That's what the march was originally about and the neo-Nazis joined the march because in America we have the right to express our opinions no matter how repugnant or stupid they are.
The march had nothing to do with decent people, decently marching to keep a monument glorifying those that fought on the side of the slavers (first point, do you see the disconnect between "decent people marching" and the reason for this march?) The march was organised by white supremacists and other fascist terrorist groups such as the Nazi element in order to come together under the purpose of Unite The Right - the right in this case being all the extreme right wing terrorist organizations that you have in your country now. Trump knew this very well as the KKK and other fascist groups have been some of his most vocal supporters.
Stop lying, either to us or yourself, there were no decent people marching under the Nazi or KKK flags that day. I'm seriously questioning if you live in America at all, how can I know this and you not?
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2 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said:
You are stupid.
That thing again, remember...
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1 minute ago, Ridgerunner said:
American neo-Nazis are a pathetic joke and almost all Americans have no use for them. Associating Trump supporters with neo-Nazis is just a tactic that the political left uses in this country to smear anyone who supports President Trump.
"There are good people on both sides," Donald 💩
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17 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said:
I have no idea who Alex Jones is and have no desire to know.So you are the only true fact holder,right? Your ignorance of what is actually happening in America is amazing. "2500 children kidnapped"?By who?
Seriously? What do you call it when children are taken by force from their parents? I guess for you it depends on the colour of the childrens' skin. Your ignorance is just tiring mate. You aren't very good at this whole debate thing, these threads always seem to go well until you start typing and lower the IQ level by about 50%. You don't have to do this, it's obvious you're getting pretty annoyed, perhaps at your lack of ability to express yourself in a decent manner? You don't have to do this, step away! 😂
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8 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said:
You know nothing about America.
Are you talking about yourself? It appears so.
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6 minutes ago, Ridgerunner said:
You are complaining about our inhumane immigration policy while your government run healthcare system makes the decision as to whether or not a child receives medical treatment regardless of the parents wishes?
Oh good grief, here he is. The debate was actually taking an upturn in quality for a few brief replies.
Let me guess, you read about that story on Alex Jones or Breitbart, right? Which means you only read half the story, the one that probably comes out saying that American healthcare is the best and that white supremacist Americans are the best of the best.
Ridgerunner, from the tone and content of your previous posts, I know that you are not in possession of all the facts and do not understand the thing that you are referencing. I'm not going to explain it to you pal. Suffice to say, 2,500 children were kidnapped and the US government has no clear idea of how they can reunite them with their parents. If talking about one tragic medical decision by trained professionals in the UK is the burning issue that you want to address, then go and actually read about it first and start a new thread.
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2 minutes ago, SPYING 1 said:
So if an adult commits a crime and is arrested their kids will also go to jail with them or do the English separate the children ??🤨
Myth: The children have to be separated from their parents because there parents must be arrested and it would be cruel to put children in jail with their parents
- FALSE. First, in the case of economic migrants crossing the border illegally, criminal prosecution has not been the legal norm, and families have been kept together at all cost. Also, crossing the border without documentation is a typically a misdemeanor not requiring arrest, but rather a civil proceeding. Additionally, parents who have been detained have historically been detained with their children in ICE "family residential centers," again, for civil processing. The Trump administration's shift in policy is for political purposes only, not legal ones. See p. 18: https://www.aclu.org/…/ms-l-v-ice-plaintiffs-opposition-def…
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4 hours ago, ashleyxyz said:
Hi Maturin, what country are you from if you don't mind me asking?
I'm English. Yes we have our own wannabe Trump here and our own problems, but we do not separate children and babies from their families and incarcerate them under armed guard - if Theresa May started doing that there would be fucking riots.
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1 hour ago, ashleyxyz said:
Hi Maturin, i understand you hate the United States, but why do you need to be disrespectful to the men and women of this country, and their families who sacrificed so much , to help takedown a madman who's evil led to 50 million death's? And then paid the biggest share to feed and rebuild Europe. I don't understand that at all.
For exactly the same reason that Foamy seems to think it is acceptable to imply that the US would have been better off to stay out of the two world wars. Implying that we owe you a debt when the US was part of an alliance. No, I don't hate the US at all. I hate small minded right wing bigots and unfortunately your country seems to be led by one and the most vocal people of your nation also seem to be small minded right wing bigots. And if you are not actively speaking out against the overt American neo-Nazis that are walking your very soil then you do not get to invoke the sacrifice of much better Americans than exist today against the original Nazi tyranny.
What is really nice to see is the decent people in America that are resisting Trump and the right wing bigots - the rest of the world considers them the true Americans and that they are the people that are really standing up for the fine notion of what you call America values.
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2 minutes ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said:
Many of us don't want to identify with the most powerful nation on Earth. We were happy on our own. Life here was good until Europe blew itself up twice in the last century and we got dragged into its problems.
I happen to enjoy German and Russian women. Maybe there would be more of them if we Yankees had stayed the hell out...
One hopes that you will learn from previous "mistakes" and keep your nose out next time around. I fail to see how citizens of a nation that cannot decisively beat Afghan farmers that are armed with only AK-47s and plastic explosives can reference past conflicts, in which they did not fight alone, as a statement of intent for future struggles.
The Swedish sank one of your aircraft carriers using a cheap diesel sub in a wargame - the USN was so embarrassed that now all wargames with other nations are strictly controlled regarding what the other nations are allowed to do to attack you. 😂
Nah, we'll be ok mate.
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I really thought Uruguay would score at least 5 against the Saudis. I put a hundred bucks to go all the way on those guys at 30/1 but they've been one of the most boring teams so far. I've already said goodbye to my money! 😂
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5 minutes ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said:
I really wish the US adopted European standards. That way, we would not have the crime and drug problems created by the creeps who invade us. It's so pleasant there in Europe, ain't it...
It's a positive Utopia compared to what you guys have brought upon yourselves. That's the trouble with identifying as the most powerful nation on Earth - when you fuck it up you can't blame anybody more powerful than yourselves for ruining your day.
Oh hang on, you blame refugees and migrants, the least powerful people, for your problems...
Yeah, I'll stay in Europe, thanks.
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2 minutes ago, Foamy T. Squirrel said:
It was never his policy. It dates from 1997, under Democrat rule, and the Congress (which is ultimately responsible for this shit) drafted the legislation. The pictures you saw of kids in cages (fenced in) were taken when Obama was king. Trumped has reversed this Congressional law with a Presidential Order, which are not actually dictates, but a statement that the Executive Branch has decided to do something that the Congress itself is too chicken-shit to do.
Myth: This is not a new policy and was practiced under Obama and Clinton
- FALSE. The policy to separate parents and children is new and was instituted on 4/6/2018. It was the brainchild of John Kelly and Stephen Miller to serve as a deterrent for undocumented immigration, approved by Trump, and adopted by Sessions. Prior administrations detained migrant families, but didn’t have a practice of forcibly separating parents from their children unless the adults were deemed unfit. https://www.justice.gov/…/press-rele…/file/1049751/download…
Are you seriously saying that all the images and videos of kids in cages which are provably recent and are a result of Trump's policy, "were taken when Obama was king?"
Wow. Just, wow.
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And Darth Tangerine has just ended his own policy of separating families and keeping the children and babies in cages. The cognitively challenged among you will now praise his humanity for ending the inhumane practice that he started.
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BUT YEAH, PLEASE POST SOME MORE HILARY MEMES AND KEEP ON PARROTING FOX NEWS AND TRUMP ADMINISTRATION LIES.
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Have you heard that children were separated from their parents under Obama & Clinton? Then, you need a little Facts vs Myths lesson. Michelle Martin, PhD Cal State Fullerton summed up the most important FACTS:
There is so much misinformation out there about the Trump administration's new "zero tolerance" policy that requires criminal prosecution, which then warrants the separating of parents and children at the border. Before responding to a post defending this policy, please do your research...As a professor at a local Cal State, I research and write about these issues, so here, I'll make it easier for you:
Myth: This is not a new policy and was practiced under Obama and Clinton
- FALSE. The policy to separate parents and children is new and was instituted on 4/6/2018. It was the brainchild of John Kelly and Stephen Miller to serve as a deterrent for undocumented immigration, approved by Trump, and adopted by Sessions. Prior administrations detained migrant families, but didn’t have a practice of forcibly separating parents from their children unless the adults were deemed unfit. https://www.justice.gov/…/press-rele…/file/1049751/download…
Myth: This is the only way to deter undocumented immigration
- FALSE. Annual trends show that arrests for undocumented entry are at a 46 year low, and undocumented crossings dropped in 2007, with a net loss (more people leaving than arriving). Deportations have increased steadily though (spiking in 1996 and more recently), because several laws that were passed since 1996 have made it legally more difficult to gain legal status for people already here, and thus increased their deportations (I address this later under the myth that it's the Democrats' fault). What we mostly have now are people crossing the border illegally because they've already been hired by a US company, or because they are seeking political asylum. Economic migrants come to this country because our country has kept the demand going. But again, many of these people impacted by Trump's "zero tolerance" policy appear to be political asylum-seekers. https://www.npr.org/…/arrests-for-illegal-border-crossings-…
Myth: Most of the people coming across the border are just trying to take advantage of our country by taking our jobs
- FALSE. Most of the parents who have been impacted by Trump's "zero tolerance" policy have presented themselves as political asylum-seekers at a U.S. port-of-entry, from El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras. Rather than processing their claims, they have been taken into custody on the spot and had their children ripped from their arms. The ACLU alleges that this practice violates the Asylum Act, and the UN asserts that it violates the UN Treaty on the State of Refugees, one of the few treaties the US has ratified. This is an illegal act on the part of the United States government, not to mention morally and ethically reprehensible. https://www.nytimes.com/…/meatpackers-profits-hinge-on-pool…
Myth: We're a country that respects the Rule of Law, and if people break the law, this is what they get
- FALSE. We are a country that has an above-ground system of immigration and an underground system. Our government (under both parties) has always been aware that US companies recruit workers in the poorest parts of Mexico for cheap labor, and ICE (and its predecessor INS) has looked the other way because this underground economy benefits our country to the tune of billions of dollars annually. Thus, even though the majority of people crossing the border now are asylum-seekers, those who are economic migrants (migrant workers) likely have been recruited here to do jobs Americans will not do. https://www.upi.com/…/Donald-Trumps-wall-ign…/2621477498203/
Myth: The children have to be separated from their parents because there parents must be arrested and it would be cruel to put children in jail with their parents
- FALSE. First, in the case of economic migrants crossing the border illegally, criminal prosecution has not been the legal norm, and families have been kept together at all cost. Also, crossing the border without documentation is a typically a misdemeanor not requiring arrest, but rather a civil proceeding. Additionally, parents who have been detained have historically been detained with their children in ICE "family residential centers," again, for civil processing. The Trump administration's shift in policy is for political purposes only, not legal ones. See p. 18: https://www.aclu.org/…/ms-l-v-ice-plaintiffs-opposition-def…
Myth: We have rampant fraud in our asylum process the proof of which is the significant increase we have in the number of people applying for asylum.
- FALSE. The increase in asylum seekers is a direct result of the increase in civil conflict and violence across the globe. While some people may believe that we shouldn't allow any refugees into our country because "it's not our problem," neither our current asylum law, nor our ideological foundation as a country support such an isolationist approach. There is very little evidence to support Sessions' claim that abuse of our asylum-seeking policies is rampant. Also, what Sessions failed to mention is that the majority of asylum seekers are from China, not South of the border. Here is a very fair and balanced assessment of his statements: http://www.politifact.com/…/jeff-sessions-claim-about-asyl…/
Myth: The Democrats caused this, "it's their law."
- FALSE. Neither the Republicans nor the Democrats caused this, the Trump administration did (although the Republicans could fix this today, and have refused). I believe what this myth refers to is the passage of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act, which were both passed under Clinton in 1996. These laws essentially made unauthorized entry into the US a crime (typically a misdemeanor for first-time offenders), but under both Republicans and Democrats, these cases were handled through civil deportation proceedings, not a criminal proceeding, which did not require separation. And again, even in cases where detainment was required, families were always kept together in family residential centers, unless the parents were deemed unfit (as mentioned above). Thus, Trump's assertion that he hates this policy but has no choice but to separate the parents from their children, because the Democrats "gave us this law" is false and nothing more than propaganda designed to compel negotiation on bad policy. https://www.independent.co.uk/…/trump-democrats-us-border-m…
Myth: The parents and children will be reunited shortly, once the parents' court cases are finalized.
- FALSE. Criminal court is a vastly different beast than civil court proceedings. Also, the children are being processed as unaccompanied minors ("unaccompanied alien children"), which typically means they are sent into the custody of the Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR), which is part of the Department of Health and Human Services (DHS). Under normal circumstances when a child enters the country without his or her parent, ORR attempts to locate a family member within a few weeks, and the child is then released to a family member, or if a family member cannot be located, the child is placed in a residential center (anywhere in the country), or in some cases, foster care. Prior to Trump's new policy, ORR was operating at 95% capacity, and they simply cannot effectively manage the influx of 2000+ children, some as young as 4 months. Also, keep in mind, these are not unaccompanied minor children, they have parents. There is great legal ambiguity on how and even whether the parents will get their children back because we are in uncharted territory right now. According to the ACLU lawsuit (see below), there is currently no easy vehicle for reuniting parents with their children. Additionally, according to a May 2018 report, numerous cases of verbal, physical and sexual abuse were found to have occurred in these residential centers. https://www.aclu.org/…/aclu-obtains-documents-showing-wides…
Myth: This policy is legal.
- LIKELY FALSE. The ACLU filed a lawsuit against the Trump administration on 5/6/18, and a recent court ruling denied the government's motion to dismiss the suit. The judge deciding the case stated that the Trump Administration policy is "brutal, offensive, and fails to comport with traditional notions of fair play and decency." The case is moving forward because it was deemed to have legal merit. https://www.bloomberg.com/…/aclu-suit-over-child-separation…
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1 hour ago, Ridgerunner said:
If you use the BBC as your source for information,I fully understand why you are so poorly informed. At least in the U.S. our government does not yet censor the news as they do in your nation.
Two words; Fox News
You're doing that stupid thing again mate. You know...
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1 hour ago, Thestarider said:
Until you need us again then you will coming begging on your knees, because you can't protect yourselves LMAO you are really something Maturin, a true Marxist.
I don't think you know what some of those words you've used mean.
Thoughts on Illegal immigration?
in Worldwide Political Discussions
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This is a tale of decent, proper Americans trying to make their country great again. None of you people are worthy of walking down the same street as them.
" When Dave and Charlotte Willner saw the photo of a 2-year-old Honduran girl crying at the border, they thought immediately of their own 2-year-old daughter. And they knew they had to do something. So they started a fundraiser on Facebook, hoping to raise $1,500 for a nonprofit that works to help immigrant families.
It soon became clear that this was no ordinary fundraiser. And $13 million later, it's still going strong.
At one point, people were donating between $2,000 and $4,000 a minute, the family shared in a statement to TODAY.
RAICES will use the money to make sure that families separated at the border have lawyers.
“In the justice system if you don’t have access to legal representation, you don’t have a shot,” Hixon said. “We are going to be able to serve so many unaccompanied kids.”
People like this and those that donated represent that real people that made America great in the first place, not you mindless parrots, you grown men that are afraid of immigrants, you poor little snowflakes that need big strong Donald 💩 to lie to you and tell you that you aren't responsible for your own demise.
When the rest of the world talks about great Americans they mean the sort of people that raised this money to help other human beings, they don't mean all you pitiful right wing fantasists. Shame on the lot of you.
Shame.
https://www.today.com/parents/facebook-fundraiser-immigrant-kids-raises-9-million-t131382