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Given what I think is involved with porn shoots, I have to wonder if they have the energy or desire left after long days to even have sex at VV. I have to wonder how this works for VV long term. VV says they hired them as a family couple not professionals. Is that even realistic? And does that mean they are just too pooped to do much at VV during the week? At least, I have more understanding for what they must go through and how demanding it is to do these 2 jobs every day. I just wonder if it means we won't see much because of their other jobs.

BTW, in any one is interested I was watching a behind the scenes shooting of a porno clip of an actress called foxy di. It takes a huge amount of preparation and film shooting to do just a few minutes of a porno short clip. They direct them, have them shift around, take still shots while they have sex in various positions. In other words it is just like shooting a short scene from a regular film. As I know from son who is an actor, it can take a long time to shoot a short scene, probably a long day. All we see when we watch a film is the finished product, which looks continuous and as if shot in one sequence when it is actually shot over a long period of time with many cuts. Then, the editing and producing of the film can take a long time, many months. So, when they shoot a porno it is like any other scene from a film, it can take months to be done for showing to the public. To put this in perspective, Julia and Gavin have out there literally maybe a hundred or more clips already produced. if they are only like 20-22 years old, they had to have spent months and months of long days of shooting to do that. When I watched the behind the scenes of a shoot, the actor and actress would be told to stop and shift and do this and that. Literally, the guy's cock would somehow stay hard in her while they stopped. One time, the actress was pooped and sweated so they took a break while his cock was inside her! Sometimes they have extras called fluffers to keep the guy hard. You see we see a 10 minute clip and think they are just really good and had tremendous exciting and productive sex when in fact they took a lot of breaks and cuts and ended up cutting some things out of the clip. The guy may come hours later, or he may come earlier and they will redo other parts of the sex they didn't like. So, when we think, oh, Julia and Gavin don't shoot every day or they don't need to do that, if they are successful in the industry, yes they do. Curiously, i am not sure if natasha shoots also. She leaves with them every time. She might be getting dropped off at school, but I wonder. I never see her with school books. She is certainly hot enough to try pornos.

Actually, I just saw them leave. I'm not sure this time. Julia was dressed up but modestly and they took Natasha also. I almost thought she was leaving the apartment permanently because she had a couple of bags. Maybe natasha goes to school and they took her, although why wouldn't just Gavin take her with his car. Why need Julia to go too. And Gavin wasn't dressed up at all. Curious. Some days, they clearly must go to a porn shoot. They are out for hours (working hours), go dressed up and Gavin has a fancy bag with him. And they come back tired. BTW, miscvoyeur, have you seen all the porn videos they have? There are a huge number of them under many aliases. There is one I saw that was just produced the end of October, 2015. These things don't just produce themselves. They have to spend time shooting them. I have a grown son who is studying to be an actor. He has done film shoots. A shoot can take all day (like 10-12 hours) to shoot just a few minutes of film. But you wouldn't know about that I bet. I think I figured out that you are just a contrary sort of person. Always disgruntled about something, always grumbling about things people say no matter what. Can't be satisfied. They are porn stars you know! A curious thing I just noticed when on rlc on camcaps which I used to be on before vv. The people on those sites are much more hungry for sex than some people on VV. More even than I am. So why the difference? And VV is more of a sex site than the rlc apartments. So don't critique me for wanting the same things others do on camcaps.

I just noticed that Julia and Gavin are up and dressed real early, looks like an early porn shoot today. Maybe that's why they didn't do anything last night even though it was earlier. They usually get up and out by 10-11 am their time. Now it is 8 am. Wonder if they are traveling a bit today. Hopefully they won't be too tired tonight. I have the feeling the party will be in Tver tonight anyway with Christy there.

Wow, how true. I love those breasts!

Yeah, bookmaster, I know what you mean. Masha is amazing. She does have a cute face. I don't always watch her only because she almost does sex acts too often. Funny about that, if you hardly see sex you are dying to see them have sex, but if you see it all the time you get bored. Like Sonia and Ivo from VV. That's almost uniform for any girls. If they mix up the sex acts, different types, it is more interesting than if they do the same fuck every time. That's why I like Christy in VV. She is often doing something else each time. Bdsm, blowjobs, straight sex, sex with a woman, masturbation. I have a hunch that Irma will be good that way.

Just saw your post before I sign off. How true that is. Anytime someone does something on camera they are putting on a show. Some shows are just more obvious than others.

Nelly is seriously good now at masturbation. And hers are definitely real! No fake orgasms there.

I just got a little up to speed with a couple of Irma and Ilona videos. Wow, Irma is seriously hot! That masturbation show was fairly professional, although like I said in my pm, girls on these sites watch porn and learn how to imitate an orgasm and do solo scenes. She and Ilona are definitely going to eventually do it. Ilona is already fairly turned on by Irma. Irma doesn't need turning on! This is like K & K if they had gone to the next step. Irma is like Kristy, Irma like Kami (although the body types are the opposite) in terms of assertiveness. But I don't think Ilona will fight it for long. Just a note of caution. This smells strongly of sex shows like on VV. Unlike Kami & Kristy who developed a real friendship (with unrequited love, Kristy left unsatisfied), these girls may be just doing sex shows. You know what, I don't give a crap. I'll take what they give us. Should be fun. This apartment now is the hottest it has been for a long while. They really don't need a third girl!

You're kidding? Another porn star? Like Julia and Gavin on voyeur villa. I don't know if I believe it until I see a link or photo that looks like her.

She puts many of the other girls to shame with her masturbations!

Very funny, spielo. I agree, I think they could find a way. Only thing is I don't think it is just Julia. Gavin falls asleep half the time before Julia comes out of the bath. BTW, why did she need to take another bath? I saw her take one first thing in the morning. I think it is a couple of things. One, like Unsy says they may feel awkward doing it while the guys are there and also Natasha, although they have done it in the bathroom before and did it while only Christy was there. Or two, maybe because they work during the week during most of the day and are just tired later. I have noticed that on the weekend they are like rabbits. Gives them somewhat of an excuse, except that they took this job knowing they would be doing shoots during the week. And VV knew that they were porn stars (of course didn't tell us) and they had this schedule yet they took them. Petra works and still plays games and sex at night. I question their commitment to this job. VV makes excuses like oh we know some have other commitments, blah, blah, blah. I don't say they should do it every night, but how about more than one night a week! Petra does 2 girls (sonia and christy), Ivo and organizes and plays games. All after a long day at work. I will give the couple through this weekend after the guys and Christy have left Voro, but if they do nothing with just Natasha there, I will complain to VV. Don't just take our money!

BTW, back to Voro for the moment. Why is it that Julia and Gavin still don't have sex after days without? If it were me, I would be really horny especially at their ages. Tonight, Natasha wasn't with them that late. They could have had sex after she went in the shower if they wanted to. I think that they have no incentive to perform for us. Then, all of a sudden just to placate us, they'll have sex a zillion times in a day with porno quality shots. I feel they kind of mock us. They know we are watching their every move and they really don't care. I gave them the benefit of the doubt since Natasha and laptop guy were all over them for days, but even now when they could do something they don't. Well, we'll see tomorrow if anything changes after the guys leave.

You know we Americans are deficient in not learning foreign languages. I know some spanish, maybe some hebrew, no german. Here you two speak english really well I'd never even think you were German!

Wow, cool guys! You guys actually live near each other! I like the people on this site sharing things. I'd like to say I matched you guys up, but.... I won't call you guys Krauts. And I won't make anyone feel bad because of things you had nothing to do with. I am an American jew, but don't worry, none of my family was at all involved or hurt by the holocaust. I would never make anyone who was barely even alive or not born during WW 2 feel bad about that. We Americans have made friends with Germany a long time ago. I'll call you Unsy then. And nice to meet you both.

Sure, unsichtbarer, it makes sense because it would help natasha to relax. BTW, can I call you something like Unsy, your name is too long! I shorten all my kids' names. I call Becky Beck, Larry, Lar, and Ben, well Ben.

I found it also, cassy and sent it to jabbath who asked for it. I don't think this distinction much matters anyway. More important is that Julia and Cassy start being a couple again instead of a threesome with no sex.

Don't be sad, unsichtbarer, our little girl Christy is growing up and spreading her wings! Lol! Yeah, I will miss her in Voro but I think she fits in Tver honestly. But what does it mean for Voro? Where are they going with Voro?

I understand what you're saying, spielo. Let's try to stay optimistic and hope VV is doing the right thing this time. I know their track record isn't great.

WW watcher, interesting definition of tact. Kind of funny but true in a way. It is a way humans can get along without actually fighting to the death everytime they disagree. Tact really just means be respectful to someone when you talk to them. It shows we respect their feelings and do not want to hurt them. Diplomacy is another word like tact. We can't always like or agree with what someone says. But using tact, we show that I don't agree with you but I recognize that we are free individuals and no one opinion is better than another.

Jabbath, I will try to look back and find it and pm it to you or maybe cassy will do it if I can't find it.

Snaky, can't you just say I don't get it or I disagree rather than "that makes 0 sense"? You see what I mean, when you have the chance to be respectful you can't do it, instead you have to demean. It is easy, just learn tact, use better phrasing. You can still keep to your position. I find some things that people say on this forum that I cannot understand. I don't name anyone or specific and won't and I am respectful and tactful about my disagreement, or I don't say anything at all to that person or anyone else about it. Timewarp just used tactful language when speaking to cassy about the agent issue. As did I. You can do it too. I never like to demean anyone for what they think or even what they say, unless they insult or call names. I know I am acting as the protector or enforcer or lawyer, its just my nature to do that.

You see, timewarp, I gave you credit before I even saw your post about how we treat women vs. men who have lots of sex, because I remembered how you stood out on that issue. I admired your position and agreed with it wholeheartedly. We must treat women the same way as men without double standards. I have a married daughter who is 27. When she was 17 she was dating the man who 9 years later became her husband. A great guy by the way. She was having sex with him when she was 17 or 18. My wife put her on birth control early on. I wasn't like some neanderthal dad coming out after him with a shotgun. i accepted that if a boy that age could have sex why not a girl, even my own daughter. As long as he was good to her and they were careful. And they were. Keep beating that drum. I think it made a difference when you did it before.

I'm not sure I agree with cassy on that one about Julia being an agent. I remember cassy giving me a link to a porn site whereby they interview Julia under an assumed name of course and they identify her as an agent. I just don't believe those porn sites. I have seen many, they will say, oh so and so just turned eighteen, etc. when it clear that they are older and they make her seem younger to fulfill a fantasy guys have about 18 year old girls. They also said she was from the ukraine when we have info that in real life she is from Moscow. I mean it is possible she is an agent in a sense (she may find girls she recommends to porn sites), but I doubt she is an official one. Nevertheless, it is a possible interpretation from that site, but i feel like it is phony. In the site they interview young would be porn starlets. She was also interviewed without her husband Gavin and doesn't talk about him.

Unsichtbarer, she has stopped those videochats now since Ivo's friend fucked her in Voro. You are right. So, it must be him who is coming to be with her in Tver. Makes sense. You know, I have noticed that people on this forum stopped calling the women sluts and whores a little while ago. I think timewarp, myself and others railed against that stupid degrading terminology towards women. And true, Christy could have fucked any or all of them (well, not laptop guy, she hates him). I think the only reason why people would say that about her is because of how she fucked Messa behind Nastya's back. She paid big time for that indiscretion! If you remember they used to say the same thing about Sonia after she fucked Ivo and left Phil. The people on this site are not pillars of decency let's face it. But both Sonia and now Christy found their guy and will probably be loyal henceforth. They used to say, the heart wants what it wants.