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It doesn't bother me so much that Natasha had sex her first night, we shouldn't be moralistic about girls having sex the first night they meet someone, if Ivo or a guy did it we wouldn't be thinking that way. But... I agree with you about it being with Akira, spielo. That resulted in Akira being forced out. I always loved Charlie! But, I don't just blame Natasha for it. VV and Tver pushed them together to have sex. Ivo and Petra are also to blame, they pushed him to be attracted to her, Natasha took over from there. Ironic since Natasha is basically an ice princess, cold as ice to anyone she doesn't want or know. And I actually liked Akira also, especially with Charlie. VV brought on so many changes, a lot did not work out. julia and Gavin are still up in the air with me. They are better than the chaos of Christy, Nastya and Messa, but they basically do whatever they want even though they are actually doing a job when they are at VV. I saw how they made fun of their pornos one day with Natasha. It kind of shows how they approach their jobs. They are more or less playing with us a little, either doing nothing or doing porno shows. How about more regularly doing normal sex?

By the way, I called them nicknames at the beginning, long before I knew they weren't having sex with the girls. I called the darkhaired guy Messa 2 before Natasha went with him to Tver that first night and she could have had sex with him that night. Natasha wasn't attracted to him unfortunately. I called laptop guy that because that first night he obnoxiously monopolized the room all night and Christy and natasha wanted to go to bed already. And how about last night when he just lied down on Christy's bed while she was there? Was that socially acceptable behavior? And don't forget, it is not just the guys I nicknamed. I call Natasha the ice princess because if she doesn't like you she is cold as ice to you. At least Christy tries to be sociable. Natasha is like the least sociable person there. Some of you think this is just about sex. It is not. And non-laptop guy and Messa 2 I don't mind as much anymore. But, where is this all going? VV is going to be a platonic site? I can watch some regular tv reality shows for that and not pay $30.

It seems we have two camps here forming. One are people that don't care about sex on VV and just want what VV deigns to give them and are patient, and the other are people who like relationships but want sex as well and we are more critical and not as patient. I am clearly in the second camp. In my view we pay $30 a month to see some sex or sexy behavior. Let's not be prudes. I wouldn't spend $30 a month to separately watch survivor or big brother on tv. I expect to see a voyeur sex site. That is how VV advertises it, that is how they market it. Of course, I want chemistry between the people. Expect for Julia and Gavin, no one is a "pro". They get upset, they laugh, they cry, they yell, they want sex with this person but not with that person, etc. In other words they are human beings. We want them to have sex and we see it, but only with whom they want, when they want (but not never!). I want to see shows (by the way anyone having sex on camera where they know people are watching is always performing), but tasteful and fun. I am ok with these guys staying for now only for one reason. As long as Christy and the others are made happier by their presence. Christy seems to be relaxing a little and may even like non-laptop guy a bit. But, laptop guy gets on hers and everyone else's nerves. And nothing seems to be changing in the coffee kltach apartment, Voro. Will they ever perform there again? I don't blame Julia and Gavin in a way. If I got an apartment like that, could bring all my friends over and don't have to perform, would I? VV is making it a little too easy on them. The others in Tver are always performing, Christy performs. But they don't have to?

Why not! Teenagers of age are off limits? You still have blood in your veins, right? Again morality is not a subject here, right? And I have no problem with the shows if they are tasteful and not disgusting. For instance, I was not a fan of the bdsm Christy had with Ivo's friend. If you say morality is not a part of this, then don't judge other people! I don't judge you, I don't judge anyone. But, honestly, if I am attacked i will attack back. Otherwise, it is live and let live. Look I got some good advice today from various people. One thing I learned today is that I worry too much about what people think of me. There are some good guys on this site who appreciate some of the things I bring to this site and I appreciate it. I constantly compliment and agree with those people. They don't judge me. If you or miscvoyeur or others don't like me or want to judge me, that is your problem, not mine. From now on, i will believe in myself and not doubt myself. I am a good person who cares about others and treats them with respect. The ones who matter to me appreciate me, the others I don't care a wit about and they can go to hell! You can decide for yourself which side you are on. i don't care.

Well, good luck to you, tallguy. Hopefully you'll make it back if you want to. Julia, Gavin and Christy were starting to click before the changes. If Vv had stayed patient, Petra would have worked on Christy from time to time and it would have been ok for the time being until Ivo's friend got back. But in their zest to attract more viewers, VV threw a hail mary pass. Like almost all hail mary passes (except for Aaaron Rodgers apparently) they fail and this was no exception. Natasha could work but only if she gets out of the Julia/Gavin cocoon which I am starting to doubt. meanwhile, except for Christ and Petra, Voro has slowed to a crawl with almost no action for days. When will VV admit it's mistake and move on? They can always say they were only temporary guests. A good sign is that they have not added any of the guests to the names on the rooms. We'll see.

Tallguy, I complained to them also. You know, VV does sometimes respond to our complaints. I complained that a camera was out in Christy's room and they fixed it in the middle of sex, lol! I complained a couple of times tonight about the lack of any action and a few minutes later Christy put on a show and Petra came over and got Christy and herself off. I saw Petra talk to Julia also. Hopefully, tomorrow things will change with julia and Gavin as well. And maybe even they will get the message about the three guys. I think that VV was desperate when Akira left and with Christy unhappy, so they threw a hail mary pass with the three guys and Natasha. It did even out the sex ratio and Christy, although not attracted to the guys at least has some guys who will pay attention to her. But, they may be killing time until they can find real replacements. Ivo's friend for Christy and someone for Natasha. But even though Natasha is sexy as hell, I'm not sure she is good for VV. The reason is that she absorbs Julia and Gavin's attention too much. They then do not mix with others, do not have sex, get cliquey. I have a radical solution: when Christy's bf comes back, keep them in Voro. Move natasha to Tver with a new guy. If she doesn't like it, then send her packing. Natasha is too close to Julia and Gavin. You have to break them up. They can and will still see each other but they will be separate. Julia and Gavin will then be freed to be themselves and to perform. If Julia and Gavin don't think they have to perform, then send them packing too. VV hinted to unsichtbarer in a tweet that even Julia and Gavin are under review and natasha is brand new so they will see. In other words, the only untouchables in VV are Ivo, Sonia, Petra and probably Christy who they said they like. So, get ready for a wild ride in the coming days or weeks! I am just telling it how I see it, not because I want it. If I have my druthers, we will keep Julia and Gavin, get Ivo's friend for Christy and keep Natasha with a sexy guy wherever they send them. But, we will see. And if anyone doesn't like my analysis, come up with your own instead of trashing mine.

Thanks beancounter for the pep talk. Cool!

Lol, upndown! You are as young as you think! I just hit 60 so I went through a little crisis, trying to think like that. Thanks.

I don't think it really matters who she is as long as she is sexy as she seems to be and not shy about her sexuality. So far, so good. And the possibility of action between the girls is a real added bonus. Beggars can't be choosy. Let's not forget what we have dealt with in this apartment since K & K left. Even Sara and White were a waste even if good looking. But these two are good looking, sexy and like each other already. They may even fool around in time. I don't think they are lesbians though. Much in the same way that Christy and Sonia of Voyeur Villa are not lesbians even though they have fooled around with Petra. But we sure enjoy it when they fool around. These two may be the same. So, relax and enjoy the ride, this may be fun!

Really? I think I remember her and I don't think she had such big boobs. As long as she wasn't a porn star.

Alright, upndown, I carefully read your post. I like your post. It is said in a positive way and is respectful and helpful. Actually it has good advice for me. I am older so I am not that experienced at posting, so like you said I write like I speak. I don't know the nuances of posting on forums. I think I feel the need to be expressive a lot and I guess many people don't want to deal with that. I guess I can be very defensive and protective. I make the mistake of thinking that an anonymous internet exchange is like a real life interaction. I would never ever take the things that are said here from people in person, but since this is anonymous people don't give a crap. I do the same thing on Facebook which I recently joined. I think I can influence people in political discussions on Facebook. What a fucking waste of time! I guess that is just what I am like personally, a person who is passionate in my beliefs, believes strongly in morality between people and am constantly disappointed by people. I try to hide it behind a mask of cynicism. But I am hurt. So, you see my problem here on CC is more in my dealings with people than just a sex obsession. I try to make friends on the site and several guys and gals are very respectful. But others are not. I must let it bounce off my shoulders more and not let it get to me. I also hide my insecurity by being very forceful in my defense, but what the fuck difference does it make? No one gives a crap. I really think my problem is more with CC than with VV. I could stop posting tomorrow and still watch, but I like the interactions with people. Again, thanks for talking to me like a person.

I'm sure you could. VV's been going for what 3 1/2 months? And they've kicked out how many people, like 15-20? Lately, they just pick bad people. Some are good, many not. Especially the latest bunch of people. And although I think Natasha is sexy as hell, she isn't very easy to get along with it seems and clings to Julia and Gavin. Forget the new guys, especially laptop guy. BTW, to those that say, its only been like one day without sex at Voro. Actually, except for Natasha and Akira and today's lesbian action between Christy and Petra, it is more like three days. When was the last time Julia and Gavin had sex? Like Saturday? And I don't count Ivo and Sonia who fuck like rabbits every day. Now, sex isn't the only thing but there isn't even sexy games being done except for Christy today. The party 3 nights ago when Tver came over was great, but that was several days ago, and much has changed since then, not for the better. Anyone who thinks it's not that bad is deluding themselves. And does anyone see any prospects that any of the new guys will make it with any of the girls? Or that Julia and Gavin can even have sex if everyone hangs with them every night? Soon, they can call this site the platonic clique site. I have actually started going back to rlc which is usually terrible. At least they got 2 sexy girls now in Nora's old apartment in Barcelona. They aren't having sex (at least yet), yet it is much more interesting than VV lately. Very sad! And I don't complain that they are having too much sex (which is certainly not true) or that it is scripted (well a little about the scripting). I know now what this site is all about. But, they aren't even living up to its own goals really. I don't want to only watch Julia and Gavin and their little clique joking around all day. They used to mix with everyone, Julia and Gavin. Now they stay only with their own friends. They have so much potential Julia and Gavin, but now that they are settled in and secure they don't have to mix and make the apartment work.

Beancounter, who are the first two girls who left? Is one of them Lulu? And it is more like a trail of destruction. VV rips the heart out for some of the fans! My wish is the three new guys go.

Wow, that just blew my mind. I always had in my mind such a different picture of that balcony from when K & K were there. So much less impressive than I thought. Kami & Kristy sat out there perhaps making out?

Please tell me it's not from a porn site! For those who are on Voyeur Villa know what I am talking about.

Funniest thought I just had. Ilona and Irma's body types are kinda like Kristy and Kami! Irma and Kami being big breasted and the others smaller breasted. Only thing is these girls are both outgoing and touchy feely, whereas it was mainly Kristy who was touchy feely, Kristy drew out Kami to be more outgoing through time. This apartment now has good potential. Not like with Sara and White.

Thanks, Houlii. I felt that others were acting morally righteous when we are all doing the same thing, honestly. I don't judge anyone, certainly I don't think I am a perfect human being. Far from it. Everyone has their things, live and let live. I should have known that others might misinterpret my comments. It just happened that your comment got posted right before mine even though I was referring to someone's earlier comments. That always is a problem. Like you said, people should just enjoy what they like about VV, say whatever they want about it without censorship, but always, always be respectful of other people's opinions. If you or others critique what is going on at VV, just because I disagree with someone's opinion or how often they post about a certain topic doesn't entitle me to call you out or complain. If someone wants to complain all the time, as long as it is not pointed at me personally, who am I to judge. I can state my opinion if I want, but that's it. And never anything personal. We are all fellow human beings who are imperfect. And one other thing, others say some of the same things I do but they don't get called out like I have. Maybe it is because I am forceful with what I say more than other people are, or in the other words I put myself all out there making me a target. I am not afraid, nor will I be silenced. And I don't know what the f... is Flame Wars. I am not arguing politics or things not relevant to the forum here. You can't tell me that if I am attacked that I cannot respond. Instead, moderator, why don't you direct your comments at all the disrespectful, downright insulting comments that are being made. Try to do your job fairly. How about you tell people to pm me or others for personal comments!

Houili, who are you referring to? I was referring specifically to miscvoyeur and timewarp, not to anyone else. I didn't see anything wrong at all with your comment. I did think it was funny! And right! Laptop guy is a freak. And now we know he is gay even though he tries to hit on Christy. No that there is anything wrong with being gay, just don't act under false pretenses. And he is a jerk, lying on christy's bed, the other day monopolizing the room on his laptop. And i think there is something not quite right with him. The other guys, although not good with women, don't seem like bad guys.

You know you may be right. I loved K & K but it was always a big tease with them. The best we ever got from them was the nude oil massages Kristy gave Kami. But I think what had us all in love with them was their closeness emotionally and always the promise of something happening, which it never really happened. They were both extremely cozy for two girls that were not in a lesbian relationship. And I still suspect that they kissed a bit on the balcony or at the beach. Kami just didn't want to go all the way. Strangely I have seen Kami on instagram back in Russia (someone knew her real name) and she is in many, many pictures with girls and hardly any with guys. And only a few pictures of her and Kristy. Is it possible that Kami did have girlfriends in Russia but didn't really want to get involved with Kristy in Barcelona? Others have speculated on this, but I didn't want to believe it. Yet, where is that older man she supposedly spoke of that was in Russia? There are no pictures of him. Only a couple with guys with other people there, no closeness. Anyway, I digress. These two girls (I & I) may actually do something with each other if they are already lying naked with each other on the first day. And I am sorry I missed Irma masturbating in the open. It even took Nora until her second time at an rlc apartment to ever do that in the open and not at first.

Wow, the new girl looks hot as hell! She already talks to Ilona. Hopeful signs.

So, you are on this porn site and you have a wife? That doesn't sound so moral either, does it? He who casts the first stone.... You never spoke to me like another human being, with a positive approach. How would that make you feel if someone didn't do that with you? I have been relentlessy respectful and positive towards people on camcaps, have actually tried to interact with people, be friendly. After all, we are all shipmates on the same boat. Why do that with me? If you wanted to talk to me like a human being to another human being, I could respect that and might even heed 'friendly advice". I know I have problems. We are all here on a fucking porn site, jerking off to sex. Don't be so morally righteous.

He is the weirdest guy ever. Are they all gay? No, only kidding. But really, get that guy out! jerks off to someone on the phone, hangs around all night with Julia and Gavin, who now may be going to bed again without sex. And he gets on Christy's last nerve!

Timewarp, do you have a wife? I actually give out details of my life only to have people use my openess against me. How nice! And who the fuck are you to critique my life? You don't know me at all. My wife and I pay attention to each other plenty. I can multitask, can you? What about your life, is it available for me to critique, timewarp? I'll hold my life against yours any day. And you are another one who can only say bad things about people. Like I told snaky, who blatantly violated camcap rules for insults and rudeness, who I put in his place, if you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all. I learned that in second grade, did you? Did I ever say anything bad about you? Despite the fact that you are usually relentlessly negative. When I disagree with what people have said, have I trashed them, have I told them they are stupid, a maggot, that they have problems? Fuck you all that do that!

We all have our problems. I already admitted to mine if you followed my prior posts, miscvoyeur. What is your position anyway? You want sex, don't want sex, shows, no shows? Mixture of all? You are always very disgruntled, but when others are disgruntled it isn't ok. I've read some of your posts, you've been very critical of VV. Why? You want everyone to be copacetic but you aren't satisfied either. I admit I am inconsistent. That is a characteristic of human beings, all of us. My problem is simply this. I try to be patient, try to enjoy what they give me but I lose patience and have no patience for stupidity, which VV shows in spades. And by the way, I only said I won't obsess as much over the sex, not that I don't care if they don't give it to me. And I haven't complained for a while about phony sex shows, I accept this is the way it is on a basic porn site. And why don't you critique other people by name other than me, miscvoyeur. I have complimented you and many others on camcaps and only criticize insulters like snaky and cordoblanc, yet, you insist on critquing me by name. It starts to piss me off. And I would defend the other people you criticized if you had named them. There is nothing wrong with wanting sex on a porn site for god's sake. I like relationships also, but i don't pay money to see what I can see in real life.

Ice princess graced the human race with her presence (other than Julia and Gavin). She can be such a snob! Christy may be moody but at least she interacts outside of her cocoon. Now, if J & G can get laptop guy out of room, maybe they can get intimate for first time in days. Laptop guy must be spectrum syndrome. He can't follow any proper social graces.