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Sender is back in the game! Keep him with Petra! Hulk is banished from the land! Night watchman, not sure.

I love that girl. Ilona is so enthusiastic with everything she does. She may annoy people, she may not go full for girl on girl, but if she doesn't get people going with that infectious enthusiasm, nothing will! I love Irma more and she is prettier, but there is a reason that Irma likes Ilona. She is freaking cute!

Petra is with Sender in Voro now. Can anyone tell me why they were ever split up to begin with? We really don't need Nikky. Just get rid of her (unless she can get a guy in Voro) and move Sender back to Petra in Tver. Then get new people in Voro.

Sorry you cancelled natres, but I fully understand. But stay around on CC, we'll let you know if things change in coming days.

Foamy, I agree with you 1000% (I know too many 0's). Leave the freaking girls alone! They can do what they want with their lives, we just get to borrow them for a couple of months. People here have a basic conflict. They want sexy girls who like action. Then when they get some (sorry, getsome) they are like oh she must be a pro or a whore! Who do you think participates on this site, your next door neighbor who just happens to be innocent but experienced, gorgeous and sexy, but has never done anything to show off her body before and never will? Cmon people!!!!! Don't come here to jerk off to some hotties and then get holier than thou!

You know what, who the fuck cares if they are models or porn stars! All people and jobs earn respect. Except for illegality or bad acts of course. You people focus on this too much. Just enjoy the girls. They are good people and sexy and that is all that matters!

Thestarider, that is freaking funny! I wish I could have seen that. This forum seriously needs to freaking laugh more!

Sereno, you are...serene, lol! Nah, I agree with you and gelgels, franksters and havingablast (are you?). Give it some freaking time! And Gelgels, I know what you mean. I have a wife and one grown daughter (now married) and I know what you mean about women and shopping. Also, Barcelona is an amazing place. They should actually go out more! K & K did the town and beach and surrounding area much more than these girls do. In fact, I think when Kami had to leave, Kristy went with her in part because she had already in 1 1/2 months done and seen everything in Barcelona. They even had time for a vacation in Greece and Italy. Remember that these girls are people too, not just entertainers. And as I have said many times, put it into perspective people, these girls have done more in a short time than anyone in this apartment before since K & K in terms of girl on girl action!

Thanks cassy for Slap's old post. I think I might have read it at the very beginning of my subscription here. How prophetic it turned out to be and very accurate. Not to give you a swell head, Slap, but you have a way of cutting through the crap and getting to the essence of the matter. I try to do it also, but I tend to be too strong at times and too wordy, so people sometimes don't see the key points i am trying to make. I also like to joke around and have fun here at times. You, unsy and I had a freaking ball the other day. I enjoy the fooling around too. That is why I would hate to see you go again. You are too much fun and also look at things here much like I do. I have like 3 more days on this month. I am going to stay to see the changes they make in the coming days. I will give it a little more time.

VV is dead now, natres. Even Petra no longer has the same enthusiasm she once had and Ivo/Sonia sex isn't exciting. And what is Nikky's purpose here anymore? To occasionally do a solo or girl on girl with Petra? They seriously needed her sex skills to use on a guy. But I am no longer sure if Nikky really wants a guy. She quickly rejected Akira and has shown no interest in other guys. Maybe she is not the ice princess but more of a lesbian. Don't let her porn films fool you. Many girls doing porn with guys and with girls may really like girls more.

Oh, and one other thing (I never get my thoughts together at the same time!). VV has the feel of a site that has gotten old fast. Even Tver used to be better. But after the same sexy games over and over there it got stale. The hay day for Tver was when Charlie and Akira were there with Petra and Ivo. And in Voro when Phil and Dizi and Tanya and then Sonia were there. Some who came along like Christy or Sonia now with Ivo were good. But for the most part, the site has not been the same since then! VV has tried enumerable people since then and cannot find the same chemistry again,or shall we say "lightning in a bottle". The same games or tricks that worked before seem boring now. I have no real clue what can work now. Anybody have ideas? Slap, spielo, you guys always come up with good ideas.

Slap, I couldn't have said it any better than you did (though I tried, lol!). Human nature is the X factor that makes this whole concept difficult to execute. And sex does sell, big time. I have made a concerted effort and to a large extent have succeeded in taking my focus a little bit off just wanting sex. Mainly because then we get the scripted Tver type apartment. Voro according to VV is their grand experiment. So far it has failed. Is it workable given human nature? Who knows? And VV has done a particularly poor job of screening new ones and explaining the expectations to them. Maybe the problem is VV doesn't know what it wants the site to be and because it is just interested in getting in new people. But making sales is not enough for a successful business, You also need to keep the ones you have. They should explain to the long time customers what their ultimate goals are with the site. Or we should tell them what we think they should be.

And yes, Spielo, those who pay should have content. But it is all the initial stages that makes the difference. In the screening process, the communication with their new people, how they handle the site (scripted vs. unscripted, for example).

Timewarp, that is the difficulty with this site and those are our options. Concisely stated. What VV can or will do to address the difficulties is another question. In any event we have our options thereafter. I want to see this site work. I think the concept is fascinating. But it is all in the execution. Cassy, I feel with you. It seems like either nothing is done or they flail uselessly with tick and tack moves, many of whom don't work. Spielo, I agree with you about someone contacting VV management. I have suggested it many times. But I won't be the one to do it. I think others do it well. Particularly beancounter and unsy. I have made a pledge to let others do this. I am just too strong and harsh when I write things to do it right. When I came up with my crazy idea to send a joint "communique" to VV management, it was such an attempt to address these issues. It was a little too much. But the concept of it wasn't bad. If VV understands our concerns here maybe they can address it better. They may not listen to us and as Timewarp says a business cannot listen to any and every concern it's customers have or they will lose all control over their business. Many ideas may be stupid or crazy. My suggestion: discuss it here in this forum, come up with some general not overly specific concerns and have someone VV responds to ask them or suggest to them ideas. Like for instance, to VV: when you get new participants for Voro, can you screen them carefully, make sure they understand the expectations here, make sure they are ok with being open with cameras, and get fun sexy people. Then, don't "script" everything, let the creative juices of the participants flow. Let me know what ideas others have for a carefully worded letter to VV. I just want to start our creative juices flowing here. We should do this in the next couple of days before decisions are made by VV on new people.

You're learning df, you're learning! Resist the dark side of the force! And I do like Anna's shyness and sensuality. But she needs to be a little more assertive. But she is a good person and doesn't try to force things.

Maybe they are meeting some guys for fun (oops, didn't mean to imply they are getting paid for it. Believe me, if they can do that wtf are they here fooling with girls?). Irma supposedly has some male friends. I know, invite them over, Irma. Get four guys! You girls can still also fool with each other also. (Anyone ever see porno clips College Rules? Hottest stuff. College girls blowing and fucking guys and girls eating each other out! Problem is once I watch one of those my expectations here are way too high, lol!).

If anyone can coax Layla into something it would be Irma. And I forgot about Dasha and the banana. They really have to get rid of Demid and Paul!

Hahaha, happy! So she doesn't know it but she's still a virgin then, lol!!!

Bookmaster, I hope they are screwing guys in the supermarket aisle and they tape it, lol! Book, df is just messing with you! Though I agree strongly with his last sentence. It is all we can do!

I have strong doubts we will see much more than we have seen. I had some hope for Irma and Ilona a couple of days ago, but now with 4 of them there almost impossible for something to happen (except maybe a flaming orgy, lol!).

Why is Nikky lying there on the sofa at like 5 am? Why is everyone still up?

Irma and Layla in Irma's bed together. Pretty sure these girls were already friends.

No night watchman tonight in Voro?

Ok.

Oh man, Jabbath! Sorry to hear about your heater. How much is that in dollars? I changed my oil burner a couple of years ago, cost about $3,000. Hey, I have an idea. You live somewhere near Unsy. See if he can help you out. Nah, just kidding. Unsy will probably have my head, lol! I'd put you up but you are a little far away!