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Timewarp, I also have run a business. While it is true you don't listen to every single thing customers suggest, they listen to almost none. And customers can vote with their pocketbook. Joint has more impact than individually. And I am not insane person. I hope you were only using an expression, because otherwise it was extremely rude. Lots of people express the things I do, but few want to take action. The union leader, the community organizer, the socially conscious leaders of our societies, are they insane also? You can snipe if you want, it's what you are good at. Instead, I try to help people.

DfCcap, how true. They haven't gotten through all mine, lol! Thanks for responding. I knew you were not paying, wanted to include you in case you were interested. Will do my best and we will see what happens.

Unsy, cassy, tallguy, sat11, jabbath, yadevol, nack, natres, beancounter, miscvoyeur,timewarp, dfCcap, spielo, bookmaster and others on this site regularly, please read the preceding post by Bullit19 about an email idea to complain in a unified front to VV about the issues we all have with their site. I also responded to him about it and said I would communicate with everyone about the idea he has. Any who agree, let us come up with a joint "communique" we can send to VV to insist they address our concerns. I suggest someone who has not complained to them much before (in other words, not me) send the joint email with everyone's names on it, with the threat that we could get many of us to cancel our subscriptions if they fail to address our concerns promptly. They also must respond back to us by email of the steps they are taking to address our concerns. We can all put forward ideas here for the verbiage to be used, come up with a draft and then after everyone is agreed, have someone send out the email with the names of anyone here that wishes to join in it. I, for one, have felt extremely frustrated and powerless and have on my own kind of flailed at them to no avail. That is because I and others do it on our own. If we do it together, they will have to listen. I am going to bed now, but I will check back in a few hours to see what people think. Thank you to anyone who has listened to us.

Bullit19, that is a fantastic email and ideas you put forward! If you have been on Camcaps here, you know I have been in the forefront of complaining about VV and have myself sent many, many tweets to them to no avail, to the point that I don't think they listen to me anymore. We should all do this and I think the email idea is great. I hate tweets already, 140 characters and all that. I speak to many people on the forum and I believe many will listen to me as well. I will suggest that everyone send an email to them along the lines you outlined in your email. Like they say, you get the democracy you seek. if you don't do anything, you won't get anything done. If it doesn't work, at least we tried and can then leave. I have said and I am ready to leave in one week if no changes are made. Please respond to my post to let me know you saw it and agree with me talking to people I talk with a lot here about it.

I don't want you to leave dfCcap. I like your passion, I have some too. You notice I spoke to bookmaster as well about it. And I speak to others about keeping the peace as well. I do not think you should keep your opinions to yourself, just try to avoid big fights. And don't make it personal. That's all I think is wrong. Otherwise, say what you feel, dfCcap, you shouldn't be censored either. Oh and how can people be required to all agree with each other? There are no 2 people in the world that agree on everything. It is the spice of life that people are different. Cherish it, enjoy each other's differences! Just be respectful.

Thanks for letting me know, tallguy. I thought so. Akira and Natasha are really dysfunctional and not really a couple at all. It is Natasha's fault, she doesn't want to have sex that we can see, in VV. The one night she did it, we didn't really see it and she was very drunk that night. But I blame VV most of all. They wanted her sexy bod, were desperate as they just lost J & G, and so they were willing to let her handle things the way she wanted. They are stuck with her now. If they kick her out, Voro is dead. They should just take a chance and talk to her. Maybe even talk to Julia if they can find her. She is the only one who has any sway over Natasha. Now, Akira is pissed and won't even try for sex with her. Would we want to after getting rejected over and over? And she broke him and Charlie up!

Timewarp, I know, I probably have totally damaged the ability of my tweets to have impact. I am very frustrated. When I am frustrated, I do the only thing I can do, complain. We are basically powerless. I am very much a control person and hate powerlessnesss. My lack of patience. I sometimes wish I had some of your patience, but it is hard for me. I guess my only choices are patience or leave. I will as I said before wait a little longer.

K & K, dfCcap, and oh yeah, they were a big tease too. Look, I see your points, dfCcap. There is a part of me that is very cynical also, especially about these sites. But, for your own sanity and our sanity, you should consider having a little faith and hope. Otherwise, why stay here and watch, you will only frustrate yourself and I guess annoy others. Listen, I can take your cynicsm it won't kill me, but it really bothers others here. I am not telling you what to do, only a friendly suggestion. But I want that everyone who wants to have faith is not insulted. Like for instance, I am not a religious person at all. But I won't begrudge others who believe in it even if I don't. I think you are a good guy. You are passionate like I am at times. The only difference I see is that you let your frustrations out on others. I rant and rave and say controversial things all the time. But I never get mad at others that disagree with me unless they flat out insult me or call me names. Like when snaky called me and another person on vv forum maggots! I don't see you doing that, but keep it civil. Do what I do, use sarcasm instead. Anyway, that is enough about this. I don't want you to get annoyed at me for my suggestions or comments, dfCcap.

DfCcap, listen: I do not know your history together here so I can't speak to that. I think you are both good guys. Neither of you have done anything terrible. You just have a conflict. Just agree to disagree. Bookmaster, same thing for you, although I do agree with a lot of what you say here, both of you should just turn the other cheek. I think sometimes I could be a moderator because I have that temperment. But I digress. No one should have to leave unless they just plain out insult each other personally. You guys do not even know each other personally. Maybe you would be buds in real life, who knows. I myself try to make friends with people on these sites, particularly over at VV. DfCcap knows that. Just live and let live!

Oh and I agree with Mr. Box. Why are we complaining and fighting, the girls were great tonight? You know what they say, perfection is the enemy of getting things done. When we will only accept perfection nothing gets done and we really are never satisfied. So we always hope for and strive for the best, but accept the best that is practicable. When did we last have an apartment like this here?

I think bookmaster, like everyone else here should bring any knowledge or expertise they have to elucidate things for the rest of us. i saw nothing wrong with his comments. DfCcap, I think you like to provoke and tweak a lot. Maybe you should cool down a little. I know you do lots of tongue in cheek stuff, but it roils the waters here. We all want to enjoy what goes on here. Opinions are just that, opinions. No insulting, just state your opinions and live and let live. We do not know each other personally, so let's not state things about people's families! And you guys are missing the point here. Those massages were hot! Maybe we are getting closer to some petting. I doubt it, but I hope.

Sat11, so Petra is back in the game. Good for her. Anything happen tonight between Natasha and Akira in Voro?

You know I think Akira is mad at Natasha and is now freezing her out after she rejected him several times. She started playing with him a little before they left Tver, biting his back and wrapping her legs around him. He then left her, went into the bathroom there, smoked and then sat on the other side of the table from her. When they came back, she got naked, waited in bed, but he went into the shower, jerked off, stalled as much as he could, thus he rejected her. I have the feeling he wants to freeze her out of VV. I have tweeted VV that they have no chemistry together, asking them what they will do with Natasha. And do not hardly like each other. Everyone else in VV get along but them. Even Petra and the guest made it together. Voro is basically a disaster.

Anybody still up? Did anyone see whether or not anything happened between Natasha and Akira?

It is I guess a personal preference thing. To each their own. I put it in perspective. I want to see sexy stuff and hopefully some petting here. If we don't get some sexy stuff it hardly matters what they do with hygiene. And why do we complain, this was one of the best nights this apartment has had since K & K and Nora & Kiko.

Watching the NY Giants game, dfCcap? I am a giants and jets fan. Jets beat Patriots, look good, Giants, ugh! Did you see the goings on in the living room today? Lots of massages, really kind of hot. I think Irma should get extra pay for giving everyone massages. When she was massaging Ilona and she was practically sitting on her butt, I had this image of a guy getting ready to put his cock in her from behind! Everyone wants cute tease Ilona! If Irma was a guy, she would have such a case of blue balls! Kind of like Akira with Natasha in VV. I can imagine that if I were Irmaa and I was kind of grooming her for sex and nothing happened I would want to tear my hair out!

Did Natasha and Akira do anything or not? Spielo, Gavrukel, what happened?

See you later guys, going to dinner. Expect to see rejection "notice" later!

I think Spielo is right, doubtful. Spielo is also good at predicting times. 3:30 am is their do or die time I think. Here, I modified, miscvoyeur!

Now, he goes to smoke. Don't people smoke after sex? At least she didn't fall asleep and looks naked under the covers.

She waits in bed while he takes a shower. Man are you nuts, she'll fall asleep! Or will they do some more fake stuff under the covers? The latter is my bet.

Now is time for nightly rejection. Is Natasha taking a bath or hiding her body with the towel?

I think I get it.

Next question, miscvoyeur, how do you put the post you are responding to in a box in front of your reply? Is that the quote box? And how do you do it?

Oh fuck, I am stupid. I see it right there. Next time I will use it. I seriously have to get up to speed on stuff.