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Yes, I think it all boils down to a fundamentally different view between Europeans and Americans. The answer may lay in our history. We see the state (government) as something more communal, maybe because we have always lived under the same state, and by working together we changed it into something good. You tend to see it as something that limits you, the government is a always a sort of opressor of freedom, but then your history starts with your forefathers fleeing from the kingdoms of Europe, and then they chased the opressive state from your new country. We will probably never see eye to eye on this, but it is an interesting debate.
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I disagree. If there are limited capacity, like under a big pandemic in Italy now, you will always need to prioritize. The difference is that here you will get prioritized on the background of how serious your medical condition is, instead of your insurance plan.
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Yes, you do have a sort of security net, to catch those who fall outside your system, but that is pretty far from the idea of universal welfare. A security net is tax payer's charity to poor people. Universal welfare is a way to organize society that benefits both rich and poor. Read my earlier post:
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Refusing emergency treatment would be plain inhuman. No countries do that!
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Except in cases where an experimental drug are legal in the USA, while it is not yet aproved here, I think there are pretty few Europeans and Canadians that go to USA for its healthcare though. The ones who do mass flee to take advantage of your healthcare however, are Latin Americans, because they do have poorer healthcare system. I'm very happy that you say you have a good health insurance. The question here is in the etics in only offering the best healthcare to those who can afford a good insurance, instead of prioritize after who need it the most, medically.
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B1 Girls on Vacation - General Topic 2020 #6 (March)
ed2 replied to Noldus's topic in B#1 Vivi, Jen, Vira (09/16/18)
Babi bating! ❤️ -
The epidemic hasn't really hit USA full force yet, but we will see in the next several weeks. Another factor might be that alot of people without a proper insurance might not have good enough paid sick leave, and in the next step unemployment benefits, so they can simply not afford to stay home from work. Anyway, this is not a competition, it is more a question of political ideology, and ethics. Let us hope someone find a vaxine as soon as possible. And there you probably stand a much better chance than anyone, because you have such a strong culture for private investments and funding of research.
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B2 Girls on Vacation - General Topic 2020 #3 (March)
ed2 replied to Noldus's topic in B#2 Astra (08/02/16)
Finally! Welcome Mimi! ❤️ -
B2 Girls on Vacation - General Topic 2020 #3 (March)
ed2 replied to Noldus's topic in B#2 Astra (08/02/16)
I don't know why they haven't given the guest a place on the project yet. She is gorgeous! Beautiful! Adorable! ❤️😍 -
It wasn't too bad Diane left the party. She did a nice bate on her bed. Yeah, I'm glad that she left, the "party" turned pretty quick into a silly show, and Diane did a pretty good bate instead. 🍓
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B1 Girls on Vacation - General Topic 2020 #6 (March)
ed2 replied to Noldus's topic in B#1 Vivi, Jen, Vira (09/16/18)
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If you look at it like an individualist, you have the best in the world, but when you have a desease that attack ALL of your population, it is just naive thinking like that. The only comfort for low income people is that if they die, they won't have to sell their house and take up a loan to pay for the treatment. If we are to look at you as a nation, rather than individuals, even Cuba is better fit to tackle this crisis. And how much have paid for insurance, education and prescription throughout your whole lifetime? That need to be taken into account too! What Americans often don't understand in these equations, is that we have progressive taxing, combined with universal welfare. Progressive taxing does so that an average income person pay maybe 25% taxes, while a low income person might pay less tax than you. Universal welfare means that ie. healthcare and education is free for everone. Even if a higher income person might pay 50-60% tax during his worklife, if we take his whole life into account, he would most certainly still turn out better than if he had to pay for schoolarship, health insurance, and maybe saving money in a fond for his retirement pension. This is the basic mechanism of the European welfare state.
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She has some almost unbelievable proportions! Or, to be honest, I should probably get back to answer that after I've checked out the rest of her body. My eyes have a hard time venduring off of her butt. 🤩
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B1 Girls on Vacation - General Topic 2020 #6 (March)
ed2 replied to Noldus's topic in B#1 Vivi, Jen, Vira (09/16/18)
Yes, I fear Sweden and UK are in for a hard treat. Not to mention USA, where they don't even have a functioning universal healthcare system. Italy, Spain and France might actually have reacted way too late. Denmark and Norway closed down everything instantly, even before we had a single serious case, so let us hope that will make the wave that is coming abit milder here. -
B1 Girls on Vacation - General Topic 2020 #6 (March)
ed2 replied to Noldus's topic in B#1 Vivi, Jen, Vira (09/16/18)
Elettra 😍 -
From his winter residence in the forests north of Oslo, called Kongsseteren, a castle built like a traditional Norwegian log cabin.
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Norwegian king Harald V adressed the people the evening of 15.03.2020. Asking us to show trust, and take care of each other in these dificult times.
