I know we have had disagreements on here and for that I am sorry but I am glad for what you say. I will add only one thing. For people of any sex it doesn't matter where you touch what. I think your point is that if the person's mind is not aroused all is lost. You can touch whatever parts you want or talk sweetly or whatever. In the end it is perception that bonds people, makes relationships, and creates love and acts of sex. To put it bluntly, a man's dick and a woman's vagina are in their brain. The mind sees what it wants and if you partner's mind is not into it there is no amount of touching or sweet words or actions that will ever change that. That being said, it is possible to bring someone around to love you, but it requires confidence, fortitude, monumental patience, and a willingness to let go. kiss