DWI

2 minutes ago, DWI said:

      I definitely agree with you Alladino. Annabelle was always very interesting and a talented musician...and she was a wonderful exhibitionist who was sexually uninhibited. Eva from Eva and Sam was my personal favorite women ever on RLC and to this day I feel she was the most sensual, sexy, and kinky bisexual woman ever to grace RLC. And of course she was absolutely beutiful. She is was most similar to Martina today...she always had many kinky bisexual surprises that never, ever seemed fake. As far as another past woman in the old Russian apartments...that gets tougher. I know a lot of CC members still really like both Leora and Masha...and they have good reason to. But In addition to Eva and Annabelle, I'd give the nod to Jane of Jane and Dick fame. Although not as good-looking as Eva or Annabelle, she was flat-out erotic and very kinky with many, many bisexual and heterosexual adventures...quite a few with Masha when Sasha and Dasha were around. She also had a taste for younger women which played out a number of tmes and was very erotic.  

     

1 hour ago, Alladino said:

 

In the good old days RLC had some really great couples. Annabelle is certainly one of the top 3 girls ever in the project. Also part of my top 3 is Eva (from the Eva and Sam apartment).

It's scary how little RLC currently has to offer compared to the quality and quantity back then. There is a complete lack of exciting couples and attractive young and nice to watch girls who really have at least sometimes sex in view of the cameras. Currently, there is simply far too little happening and when something does happen, it is often just artificial and fake. Where is the real life in RLC?

      I definitely agree with you Alladino. Annabelle was always very interesting and a talented musician...and she was a wonderful exhibitionist who was sexually uninhibited. Eva was my personal favorite women on RLC and to this day I feel she was the most sensual, sexy, and kinky bisexual woman ever to grace RLC. And of course she was absolutely beutiful. She is was most similar to Martina today...she always had many kinky bisexual surprises that never, ever seemed fake. As far as another past woman in the old Russian apartments...that gets tougher. I know a lot of subs still really like both Leora and Masha...and they good reason to. But In addition to Eva and Annabelle, Id give the nod to Jane of Jane and Dick fame. Although not as good-looking as Eva or Annabelle, she was flat-out erotic and very kinky with many, many bisexual and heterosexual adventures...quite a few with Masha when Sasha and Dasha were around. She also had a taste for younger women which played out a number of tmes and was very erotic.

1 minute ago, albundy1089 said:

That is hitting the nail on the head! That was the thing that set RLC apart from the also-rans. RLC cannot compete with VH-TV on a race to the bottom. The sheer numbers of apartments will overwhelm RLC. Now, it you want to talk about Pseudo Lesbian Bullshit Shows, (that's for you Alladino) take a peek at the +7's on VH-TV. RLC had something different and those that are complaining now are doing so because RLC has removed the thing we subscribed for in the first place.

Another great point Albundy. I understand how it may be difficult for RLC to resurrect "the old days" from Russia as Jenn suggests, which I don't disagree with. But to me, there is no attempt on RLC's part to do that...I mean is it THAT hard to find openly erotic couples with a female bisexual partner who enjoy being sexual exhibitionists, no matter what country they're from? I don't think Russia has a monopoly on those type of couples. When it comes to Pseudo Lesbian Shows I've got to say that in all the years I was lucky enough to view the Russian apartments, those type of "shows" were never prevalent like now as the lesbians or bisexual women in Russia seemed like the real deal... I never, ever felt they were fake. I think that's what you mean about the quality of RLC then vs. the VHTV junk now.

5 minutes ago, albundy1089 said:

The one thing I wonder about is, as great as the memories are, I wonder if any of them (including N&B) can recreate the times they had 3-4 years ago. That was a different time and place for all of us. And we are asking them to relocate to a different country away from their life, which is what created the good times in the first place.

I think if RLC is committed to Barcelona, they need to recruit local Spanish girls the same way they recruited local Russian girls. I don't know if they are capable of that. The participants would not be under their thumb like the Russian/Ukraine girls are and their egos might not be able to handle it. If I was in charge I would make Martina the HR Director/Lead Recruiter and roll with it.

Hi Albundy,

       You might have a point there about Martina being the head of HR. Her perspective as being a very good looking bisexual woman with a strong sexual appetite might just be "what the doctor ordered".  Thanks for that creative idea...something needs to be done right?

7 minutes ago, ddhm said:

Jane and Dick if they are available …Piper as   well , then we could talk RLC business ..

 

Hi ddhm,

      Of course only my speculation, or fantasy, but I think if Martina ever met Eva from Russia...now that might cause havoc, in a good way. Both are so very open, funny, erotic as hell, bisexual and very good looking...maybe a match made in heaven.

15 minutes ago, JenniferMom said:

Don't disagree with giving Nelly & Bogdan their own apartment ... but the "hetero monomagous couple" segment  is well covered on RLC.  What would be considered an upgrade if N&B replaced one of the other couples?  Maybe Mira/Dante?

I  just can't see giving N&B their own apartment adding any more subscribers.

They need some openly bi couples with the Masha vibe.  That would drive up subs I think.

Hi Jen,

     I've been limiting my posts lately in order to take a little break from everything. But I agree with you here. I have long believed that adding more couples where the females are bisexual is what would drive up new interest in RLC a great deal. Someone earlier suggested that Bogdan/Nellyfic be relocated in Barcelona and paired up with the terrific former Russsian couple Jane and Dick. Great idea, but might not work as by all evidence Bogdan is not into any type of "swinging". If I could control things, which obviously I can't, I would spare no money and convince former Russian couple Jane / Dick and Eva ( with her new boyfriend) to come out of their RLC retirement and either relocate them to Rome so they were near Masha, or relocate them to Barcelona to be around the couples there. Either one of those scenarios would most likely livin' things up a whole lot as Jane/Dick and Eva might have been the most openly erotic participants with bisexual women ever on RLC. If current RLC subs never saw Jane/Dick and Eva/Sam they can find old videos up to June 2019 on the internet. There are no better examples of what RLC is at its best in my view...of course you have to be into bisexual women to appreciate that. I really  like your idea of getting Jane and Dick back near Masha as that combo had some pretty serious "fireworks" between them when Jane and Dick travelled from Russia to Rome. I just wish RLC would explore the possibility of re-recruiting these Russians. Oh well, at least we can fantisize. Thanks for your thoughts on again.

2 hours ago, HarleyFatboy said:

I know, I read that she was back in the Villa and I should have known she was going to be a "No No no Way Nana"

What a GREAT nickname Harley! I haven't posted anything about Nana yet as I don't find her interesting, although she seems like a nice person. But if I do post, it will probably be due to something she does or is part of that crosses the line, and I'd like to borrow that nickname...just hilarious.

20 minutes ago, JenniferMom said:

You guys hate long posts from folks like DD and I ... but then you dangle red meat in front of us like this one!

Of course that is the BIG question!  And fundamentally the answer is obviously NO IT IS NOT REAL.  

We can peel back the onion on this.  At the highest level the view looks like this:  There are several billion homes/families/singles living on this planet.  How many of these families have homes that are wired with cameras that broadcast on the internet?   I can't imagine there are no more than several thousand ... maybe even 10 or 20 thousand ... but the point is, this is infinitesimally small.  So from this perspective, it is not real.  Very few people live like this on the planet.

The next question is ... ok, within this context, what does it mean to be real, and based on that, is this real?  I have said several times, a better word is "authentic".  Imagine two people deciding to "try RLC" and the expectations going in of this couple could be just about anything.  They could be fuck buddies that decide to do this for fun.  Or they could be a couple in a committed relationship.  Or a couple with an open relationship.  Who knows.    So, is Martina and Alberto real?  To me the answer is YES as long as this truly is a couple that is very open, committed to each other, and trying to make a life together.  That is what they want us to see.  If that is the reality, then I say yes this is real and authentic.  But if they are just old friends and fuck buddies doing this for fun and they don't really intend to have a life together, then this is as fake as what we saw in Leora and Malia's apartment.

Having said this, I do think Martina and Alberto are authentic.  But OMG they give us so many reasons to question this ... as we watch them as a couple and map what we see to what OUR OWN experiences being in couples relationships.  How many couples are there where one party sleeps alone at night and the other is OUT from midnight to 6AM?  How many couples allow one partner to have free and open sexual relationships with others?    These are not common behaviors, at least among the audience here (important point BTW).   It doesn't mean they are not an authentic couple because couples have all sorts of ground rules and what works for them won't work for other couples, etc etc.  But these behaviors really do make it difficult for us to get to the truth, don't they?

Sometimes I wonder if RLC could incorporate something you see in reality TV shows.  In such shows, often you see the "cast members" talking directly to the camera about how they feel or what is on their mind ... in such a way that they communicate to the audience directly without the other cast members knowing or seeing.  This could really enhance the experience ... but I wonder if it would destroy other aspects of the experience.  The other enhancement I would ask for is closed captioning in multiple languages!

I don't think contributed anything new to our collective understanding of Martina and Alberto ... but I enjoyed writing this.  I'll stop here so DD can easily go bigger 🙂 .  I am trying to practice a LESS IS MORE strategy!  EDIT:  Just saw DD beat me with a two line post and I have egg on my face now.

Hi Jen,

      Well, well...seems like I might have started something here that I really didn't intend. But now that its started let me make a clarrification. For quite some time now I have used the word "soap opera" to describe what the hell was going on primarily with the Martina/Alberto and Nelly/Bogdan thing. I meant that in a good way actually because I really, really thought it was fun to watch. And like you just said, these two couples seemed "authentic"...even though some here don't really like any of these four people. I still believe that the Martina/Nelly thing is authentic, even though I still profess it was an accident RLC didn't expect. What a great opportunity for a "real live soap opera" without a script...at least for a while. I mean, Hollywood writers could not have done better. So my attitude has always been to sit back and enjoy it for what it is...a real life drama. I get your point about how very few people have experienced the kind of stuff Martina and Nelly have gotten into so maybe it seems less "real" . But that's exactly the reason people seek what they don't quite understand. Its what creates drama. Its what creates food for the voyeurs like us. Now do I think there is a possibility that RLC could have already gotten involved with "scripting out" the Martina/Nelly affair? Sure, and of course, we the paying customers would suffer most from that. I want this "authentic" drama to continue because as a voyeur, its more than fun...semi-addictive if truth be told.

        So thanks again for your great post. A lot of us here are on your wavelength. Keep them long posts coming...they're really fun to read on a rainy September day.

16 hours ago, HarleyFatboy said:

First off, congrats on 53 years of marriage!  My oldest brother and his wife just celebrated their 55th anniversary.  Secondly, I respect you for coming forward with your story and I'm glad it worked out so well for you.  Even though you and your wife "got away with it" so to speak, it doesn't work that way for a lot of others.  I know of several couples that have divorced/split up over such openness and it wasn't pretty in the end for any of them.  I also know of a couple of marriages that survived such an ordeal and good for them.

With respect to you and JM, I personally ain't buying any of the Nelly & Martina side show.  If what JM believes is real between the two women based on what she has observed,  then the whole we're gong to just be friends is a load of malarky in my opinion.

I find it strange that from what I've heard and read that Nelly is on her second night of sleeping at Gina's apartment....for some reason I thought she was married!  I've been told that it's pretty obvious that what Nelly & Bogdan had at one time is now becoming more and more distant.  Nelly leaves at least once a day and on some days several times and not for just an hour I'm told but for several hours.  My question is why?  Why does she leave her husband for extended periods of time and even sleeps away from him many times?  Is their sleeping apart a normal thing now days because it wasn't when my wife was alive. It would have felt weird not cuddling up to my wife and going sleep at night, and she felt the same way.

It's quite obvious from the party they had in B4 with the IT techs, when Nelly gets drunk/high she is an easy target for any guy around.  I believe she is as unfaithful as they come!!

At any rate DWI, a good, thoughtful, honest post!!

Thanks Harley. And you too bring up some interesting questions on your post. Its all one big soap opera. The big question has always been "is it real" ?

2 hours ago, Thestarider said:

Great Post, Thanks for taking the time to post. I too can relate very well to past, and your present. Thanks again.

Thank you. Its always nice nice to hear posirve respsonses here.

16 hours ago, JenniferMom said:

You are a good friend Yelt but sometimes you are all over the map. 

Men and women have same-sex BFF's all the time.  There is no issue with Nelly and Martina spending a lot of time together as friends.  And they could very well "love" each other as love comes in different forms and flavors -- not always involving sex.    Lots of married couples exist where the husband and/or wife each have dear friends.  Mostly these friendships are not sexual as that is what the norm is that we expect.   If Martina and Nelly never had sex, would we be so wrapped up in them spending the day together off-cam?  I think not. 

I do NOT think the two of them are thinking about living a life together.  They are both committed to their men to various degrees and they obviously want to continue their strong friendship together.  Where I think they are struggling is how to remain friends without the sexual intimacy they enjoyed earlier in their relationship.  It is difficult getting the horse back in the barn or the toothpaste back in the tube.  It appears that Martina has three close friends ... Marta, the schoolgirl friend, and Nelly.  Only one of those friendships became sexual.  Why?  Every friend is different.  QUESTION:  Who here has had a sexual relationship with someone and then just became friends?  And I am talking more than a one night fling that when you sobered next morning you agreed it was a mistake (like in TV shows 🙂 ).   Honestly it has never happened to me ... once the relationship and the torrid sex is over ... that person is out of my life.  I don't necessarily WANT that to happen ... but it's very difficult to continue to see each other "as friends".

This type of open relationship is not something consistent with typical societal norms; however, as many here have noted, there are lots of open relationships in the world and these two girls I think want to be part of that world.  The issue is that the men (mostly Bogdan) do not support this idea ... which is the source of the conflict.  I believe if they are trying to not have sex on cam then they are probably trying to not have sex off cam either.  So I believe they are out having fun as girlfriends do.  Nothing wrong with that.  If they can pull off sex off-cam without Bogdan finding out, then he is dumber than I thought.

So yes they DO want their cake and they want to eat it as well.  Time will tell if they are successful in achieving this.

I've said this before but bisexuality is the one element of LGBTQ that is fundamentally in conflict with monogamy and for this reason I think it will struggle to be accepted as freely like it seems being gay/lesbian or even trans is accepted.

Also ... would we be talking about any of this if Alberto and Bogdan had other lovers and these two relationships were totally OPEN?  I'm not so sure.

Last:  These are just my opinions and speculations.  Sometimes I think @girlsfun really is pulling the levers behind the curtain like in the Wizard of Oz.

 

Hi Jen Mom,

     Well, I read this earlier today and wanted to think it through before I put in my two cents worth. You are clearly one of the most thoughtful and insightful folks involving anything Martina. And you are respectful of people, which I'm sure many of us here appreciate...for the life of me I just don't get why a few people decide to just  trash others on any of the threads...I just don't get it.  

      Anyway, I almost always agree with everything you post... and your last post is no different. But, there is something that caught my eye. When you questioned was it possible for two women who previosly were friends, then became lovers, then friends again, well, I can tell you from personal experience that can happen. I'm going to get very personal here and in God's honest truth, give you my story. Here goes, 

      My wife and I have been married 53 years...I know, a long time. We experienced the 60's and 70's and all that brought. My wife and her best friend along with her husband and myself experimented in "swinging". After that my wife and her best friend took it a step further and became lovers, with both husband's acceptance, although it did not happen more than a couple of time a year after that...this went on for 4-5 years. Then my wife's best friend got remarried about 15 years ago...no sexual relationship since then, BUT, they are still best friends and I'm a close friend of her best friends new husband, although he does not know of any of the past activities...three of us promised to remain silent and we have kept our word.

      These are secrets of our past, as all of us have. But, I just wanted to show you that this kind of thing is not really that unusual for some people that lived through the 60's, 70's and even the 80's. Not really common, but not really rare either.

    I don't mean to ramble here but I think that what Martina and Nelly are going through is a very difficult situation as you have consistently pointed out...but it might be even more difficult than we all imagine. The bonds of true, deep love beween two lovers, male or female, is genetic, and impossible to stop. My wife and her best  friend are still "lovers", in the truest sense of the word... just not sexual, and I'm  definitely ok with that as I love my wife dearly and accept everthing she is.  Thanks for listening. By the way, Can we all call Jen, , or still must it be Jen Mom? I know, probably silly question, but at my age, every keystroke ? 

2 hours ago, JenniferMom said:

Thank you DWI (a screen name that is a little disturbing and hope doesn't represent you based on what a DWI means to me). 

I was going to add to my earlier post another thought.  We talked about "friendship" and "sex" as important emotions but the other aspect of yesterday -- that you touch on -- is INTIMACY.  

Yesterday we saw Martina and Nelly being very intimate, not in a sexual way.  This is a strong need, especially for women.  Two times were very special ... once when Martina seemed upset as she was painting and Nelly came and put her arms around her to comfort her. [Translators:  What was she upset about?]  And then of course the entire patio discussion which included a lot of embracing and tender kissing.  This is strong evidence of their connection ... a connection that they don't necessarily get from their men.  Alberto for sure, I don't think ever comforts and consoles Martina.  I could be wrong and ask the group to challenge me on this.  But I remember even when she was struggling with her knee pain, I don't recall Alberto coming over and hugging, etc.,  He listened and I assume he listened empathically, but you did not see any real intimacy.  He does care about Martina but you do not see a lot of empathy and intimacy.  Some guys are like that, I get it.

Bogdan does a bit better in this regard, especially when Nelly is drunk or needs special attention.  But Nelly seems a "tougher personality" to me and not necessarily needing empathy and caring as much as Martina seems to need it.  And Bogdan should worry less about Nelly getting sexual satisfaction from Martina and worry more about Martina meeting Nelly's intimacy needs.

Anyway, don't need to see textbook emoji's ala DD so I will cut it off now.  My thoughts on this are not well organized beyond just the idea that girls treasure the kind of intimacy we saw yesterday.

Jennifer Mom,

        I'm sorry I very chose that username... kind of dumb actually. DWI are actuallymy the three initials of my name. I've never been arrested for Driving While Intoxiicated ... I have never drank alcohol nor ever been arrested for Driving Under the Influence. But I clearly should have done a better job thinking the username through a bit. 

3 hours ago, JenniferMom said:

This is a good logical post that is difficult to disagree with.  Of course Martina is a very good person who wants to respect her word to Bogdan.

But I think the point that Girlsfun is trying to make is that love is not always logical or rational.  The urges for sex and friendship are not always separate or one greater than the other in every situation or context.  Yes we all have friends who we cherish and we can’t imagine having sex with.  We’ve all been in that situation with a lover or potential lover where one person says “let’s just be friends”.  That usually hurts and causes pain.  That’s not what we have here.

I don’t think Martina or Nelly want to “just be friends” because one no longer lusts over the other.  This is like Romeo & Juliet or West Side Story where the thing keeping them apart is an external factor (the men).

Last point:  If Nelly was unhappy in her marriage, would a good true friend and lover promise to Bogdan to stay clear of sex?  To deprive someone important in her life the one thing that person wants?  Not saying Nelly is unhappy but she wants more and her husband is not on the same page.  

I like your thinking DeepDave but just don’t think it’s all nice and neat and logical this way.

Hi Jennifer Mom,DeepDave and Girlsfun,

      I think all three of you have made some very insightful remarks here. I basically agree with everything you all saw last night. Here is my additional take on what happened in the backyard last night. I was moved emotionally. To me, I think these two ladies are still deeply in love with each other still. The genuine tenderness was a beutiful thing thing to watch. There was no sex, but the long hugs and gentle kissing was as real as it gets. I am both happy and sad at the same time for both women. I am happy because for the first time in a while they were able to break through the sexual tension since they stopped having sex together but still sad for them that for some reason the sexual aspect has been put on hold. What I do know is that their love for each other is real and not a "staged" event. More and more I'm leaning toward the belief that Bogdan was involved in the sexual curtailment of their love-making. I do know that last night was as "real" as it gets on RLC. This is the type of thing RLC needs desperatly. In some ways it was as sensual as them having sex...sometimes showing genuine tenderness and emotion between people that love each other can be just as nice to watch. Once again thank you three for your excellent posts.

1 hour ago, ddhm said:

Here is something .. for reasons I have explained just some days after Radislava joined RLC , i consider myself a simple fan of hers and not a hardcore / extreme fan . But , comparing the girls we have watched the last year or so , i consider her an “‘aristocrat “‘ thinking about the others . Her wardrobe , her style , her decoration thoughts , her way of having this lifestyle , I find it a true and absolute personal way of having her life happening . 
 

A selfish thought I admit , but for sure a woman with class and pure femininity and endless sexuality . 

Hi ddhm,

      I think you're right about her. To be honest I never paid much attention to Radi, not because I didn't like her, but I was just into other apartments more. But then I watched her interaction with Martina at a party in Radi's apartment and was pleasanty surprised that they seemed to get along fine...lots of convsersation between them. I'm sure her ability to speak Spanish helped. I think Radi can be a bit shy or introverted but I think someone like Martina can "open" her up a bit. i think of Martina as a "classy" woman also so I think there could be a possible friendship there in the future...but of course that is pure speculation and probably not going to happen as that would require Martina to travel to B4, and or course with Nelly there, well, that would make things tough. I just think that Radi needs some simply nice, decent, caring, and classy women to help her through these tough times for her as she does seem to be a bit overly sensitive. It really did bother me that the current B4 women did not even seem to take time to welcome her yesterday...they actually appeared to "shun" her...that just seemed very rude to me. Hopefully that changes. Anyway, thanks again for your insight.

11 hours ago, EMMETT111 said:

or Dick and Janes

Ah yes. I remember them well. But don't forget about Eva and Sam. I think they were the kinkyest RLC couple ever...even more than Dick and Jayne...but both couples are EXACTLY the type that RLC needs right now. I still don't know why RLC won't go back to their original formula for success...makes no sense to me. Oh well, at least I was lucky enough to watch the golden age of the Russian apartments and the Rome apartment with Masha, Sasha and Dasha. I just wish more of the newer RLC subs could have been able to witness the Russian apartments. But then of course they would be even more disappointed in today's crop of RLC performers...so maybe its best that they never experienced couples like Eva and Sam and Dick and Jane along with several more like couples.

10 minutes ago, Mark Thompson said:

RLC should post a link to Chaturbate until they can figure out how to show some nudity from their high price vacationers ...   

man these RLC participants sure have taken these douche bags running RLC... Even Linda and Tibor  next to no nudity or action, Kitty has put these clowns together this entire new visit,  the other apts. have been covered enough at how lame and uninterested or active they are ...  sad but always good to witness a train wreck on the crash and burn. 

Hello Mark. I understand your frustration and many others. At this point the current RLC lineup of 95% of the participants is more than boring. I will say that the only three participants worth keeping are Martina / Alberto, Nelly / Bogdan, and possibly Leora. The Martina / Nelly soap opera is clearly still interesting to many viewers as it still represents what was normally occuring during the Russian "golden days" of the site...there were during that time at least 4-5 appartments with similar content as the current Martina / Nelly situatian...it was actually hard keeping up with it all...a good problem to have if you were a subscriber. But I know that most new subscibers will say "so what, that was then, this is now". And they're right. What is required now is a complete overhaul of the current lineup of particapants othe than the three I just mentioned. RLC needs to hear from current subscribers by cancelling their memberships until RLC revamps their participant line to reflect what they had in the earlier Russian days. I do not blame RLC for what they had to do because of Russian government intervention...they had no choice...its a reppressive communist state. But, I do not believe similar participants cannot be found in free European countries and even in the U.S and Canada...come on, exhitionists are all over the place if RLC is willing to look. One of the biggest weaknesses of RLC has always been the lack of English speaking participants in the project and RLC's refusal to allow Russian / Ukranian translations, we all know why...they want to keep all their subscibers guessing what's doing on. That is NOT real life.That worked for a while because the daily content didn't need  translation because subscibers were overwhelmed with fabulous amateur content that no translations were needed...it was the universal language of real sex.The only way RLC is going to change is through the pocketbook. In a capitalist society, that's what works best..."put up or shut up". If a company refuses to listen to it's customers, it will go under. I am sorry for this rant, but as a long-term subsciber, I think I know what RLC needs to due to for newer subcribers to re-live the glory days of RLC. Of couse, maybe the newer subscribers don't really enjoy bisexual women engaged in that type of thing, along with their male partners and I'm certaintly ok with that. But for me, bisexual women are a complete turn-on. I think that the Martina / Nelly thing is real and is, as I have said many times, is a soap opera RLC needs big-time to continual. After all, what better thing could they ask for? But they need to make conversations more public or translatable into othe languages, not only English. Or they are doomed!

Thank God for a new topic!.Please do not allow any more posts here about Leora...this is not her posting site. In case nobody noticed, there was some type of conversation between Martina and Bogdan in the last couple of hours at B4 on the terrace. What was really intriguing to me was the fact that initially the conversation was audible on the terrace...then all of a sudden the microphone on the terrace as turned off. I didn't see Bogdan leave the terrace to turn off the mike, but maybe I missed that. Did anoyone see him leave temporarily leave and when he returned there was no sound of their conversation? And another question...all during this, Nelly was nowhere to be found at B4...but maybe I missed that also. I don't know for sure but it seems like something is going on here. I do not want to speculate but for some reason the microphone during the Martina / Bogdan conversation was turned off so we cannot get any translations. This is bullshit! If the conversation between Martina and Bogdan was supposed to be private they could have gone to the terrace outside Bogdan's and Nelly's room. Does this mean that RLC has the ability to turn off private conversations between project members? I never knew that and that does suck for subscribers who are paying for the salaries of all the RLC participants. We deserve better.

15 minutes ago, Howard said:

I agree with some of what you say.  Many outside the US see us as gullible and weak (more so when there's a democrat in office, like word-salad Biden).  I'd prefer much tighter border controls then the open door policy that exists.  But in a whole (bad and good), people wanna be in the USA (I'd prefer most stay wherever they are).

If Leora would do what she does in the USA,...she'd be taxed up her hoo-haa (assuming she'd make herself a tax paying documented worker). If she did this in Germany, France or Canada, she'd be taxed up her hoo-haa and out the other end.

As an American, and a life-long Rebuplican, I find your comments are racist and most Americans do not subscibe to them. You are apparently part of the 35% of Ameriacans who feel as you do... you don't want anybody that is not a white European allowed in... and thankfully the American voters regected your philosophy in the last national election. Most Americans still feel that America is a land of opportunity if you work hard, believe in yourself, and believe in the American form of democracy. America is not perfect...no country is or has ever been. But most Americans are kind, decent people, who are not racists, and without regard to their politics, do not agree with your view. I know, I know, you believe the last election in America was "rigged". Get a life! To all the folks on the other side of the oceans, you built America by your faith in a better life away from tyranny...whether political or by religion. The vast majorty of Americans believe in welcoming all people to our shores to build a better life...do not believe the Amerian right wing press or the "crazies" on Facebook...they are racist and believe the only "good" Americans are white. I'm sorry for this diatribe but I can tell you America is still one of the "lands of opportunity". Again sorry for the length of this but someone needs to stand up to Howard's un-American beliefs.

13 hours ago, modom95 said:

Both sites don't exist for a long time...

Not sure what to say other then I was on both sites yesterday...maybe your browser is blocking them. Both sites are not easy to navigate due to constant pop-ups, but they are still online. I did notice yesterday that joyshub.com couldn't be searched on Google...no listing, but did come up with just entering wwww.joyshub.com.

2 hours ago, daniel_8218 said:

I agree with you. do you have some videos of Jane and dick and their threesome? not with Masha, I mean with the other girls. I appreciate if you upload them

I'm sorry Daniel I don't have any videos. But if you look carefully on the internet, you can find videos of Eva and Sam in some threesomes and Eva in some lesbian stuff. I think I would start with joyshub.com , then try reallifecam.club.com...but on both sites you'll gave to navigate through a ton of pop-ups. To find threesomes with Dick and Jane, well, that's really tough as RLC really worked hard to delete all those videos to great success.

On 8/15/2021 at 5:35 AM, daniel_8218 said:

I think nobody has seen this video

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This is exactly what the good old days of the Russian apartments were all about...bisexual women and their male partners willing to participate. Dick and Jane and also Eva and Sam did this kind of thing A LOT! And as always it never seemed fake even though it might gave been planned. There were three other women that Dick and Jane also got involved with in bisexual threesomes including the infamous visit to Masha and Sasha's apartment in Rome. Us older subs really, really miss this kind of stuff. Almost nothing like this ever happens with the post-Russian apartments, with the exception of the Martina / Nelly affair. Such a shame RLC is incapable of finding real bisexual women and willing to experiment male partners.

35 minutes ago, moules said:

Jennifermom, the three relationships of Bogdan + Nelly; Nelly + Martina, Martina + Alberto meets the definition of polyamory.  All three relationships are consensual, and consented to by all four parties.  Both twins having sex with the German boyfriend of Lia is also polyamory. 

While I believe polyamory is more commonly applied to ongoing relationships, there is no reason why it couldn't apply to one-night stands, e.g., Nelly and a boy last night had consensual sex, and IF Bogdan 'consented to her doing to that.  Similarly, if Martina had sex with a girlfriend, and Alberto consented to her doing that.  Bogdan fucking Martina with both Alberto's and Nelly's consent and similarly for Alberto fucking Nelly would expand the number of polyamorous relationships of these four people to five:  adding Bogdan + Martina, and Alberto + Nelly.

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In my opinion, the best example of polyamory on RLC was Dick and Jane!

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Ah yes, Dick and Jane. I remember them well...their visit and subsequent orgy with Masha and Sasha. Then their visit to Masha after Sasha and Dasha left...that was one hell of a night. Of course, don't forget Eva and Sam...they were equally gifted in projecting an open relationship. And of course, both Jane and Eva were bisexual. So, today, RLC from what I see, has only two "proven" bisexual ladies due to their actions, Martina and Nelly, although the lady in B5 might be, but no explicit action yet. And look at all the attention Martina and Nelly get if you're into bisexual women having sex with each other which I think many, or at least some of us, do enjoy, The Martina / Nelly thing is the closest thing there is right now to the old Russian apartments...couples who are ok with each other's sexuality... and in fact thrive on it.

47 minutes ago, JenniferMom said:

Since I am a loser with no life, I just watched the "ballroom scene" several times.   Clearly this is Nelly in full on show mode.  Yes french kissing and a lot of touching, but two key points:  (1) she never goes for his dick; and (2) if he lingers too long on her pussy, she starts to nudge his hand away, at one point positioning her hand to pry him off slightly.  She is really good at this.

Last night was fun to watch and I much prefer nights like that versus naked girls laying in bed or simul-bating or hot tub chatting or massage fests.  But put me in the camp that last night was staged and planned and although something COULD have happened ... RLC wasn't expecting anything TO happen. There is nothing wrong with a night like last night if it is authentic enough to allow for some probability that someone might get horny enough to hook up.   Isn't that what happened with Nelly and Martina?  It was at events like this where nothing was expected, but a spark or two happened which led to a flame ... and we know the rest of the story.

      Hi JenMom. Well, it seems like you and I are on the same wave-length again. It's nice to see someone who is not a Nelly hater. I've been saying for quite awhile now on my posts that the Nelly/Martina thing is exactly as you also observe...it was an accident that RLC did not see coming. I bet RLC has been jumping for joy ever since. Nelly and Martina have maybe created the greatest ever soap opera in RLC history...what more could RLC ever ask for? Although I'm not sure that first evening with Nelly and Martina at that party was "staged" or even planned, it was clearly genuine. They were both "feeling no pain" as we Americans say, so the alcohol certainly lowered their inhibitions. And I think you're right that it was Nelly who last night gave a command performance for sure...if her behavior was a "show" she deserves an Oscar. Like you said, sometimes all it takes is for one person to take things into their own hands to get a party moving. Lets face it, Nelly has more experience, other than Masha and the Russian based version of Leora, then all the current crop of women put together. I remember those old Russian apartments and uneqivocally can say that she is a real pro.

      Now, of course, the new segment of the soap opera is possibly how Martina will react to Nelly's performance. In my mind, I'm guessing she'll be disappointed in Nelly but also compassionate in recognizing that Nelly has not really beat her alcohol addiction. I think it possible she might even convince Bogdan that Nelly needs some type of rehab., but of course I'm just speculating. I'm pretty sure that Martina really does love Nelly as both a lover and a friend...I remember after the party a few months back, when Nelly got shit-faced and Martina and Bogdan had to put her to bed, that Martina stopped drinking alcohol in front of Nelly for quite some time...true compassion I think. I guess the soap opera continues. Thank you for your insight as usual.

On 7/27/2021 at 5:22 PM, ddhm said:

I have been traveling really much and due to the nature of my profession , I have met many people from many countries and I am able to say what people search from respective countries and even more according to ages .. speaking about the Russian women , most of them simply want to escape the bad climate and cold weather and just live in warmer destinations and enjoy the sun and bit more of relaxed life ( certainly more “ free “ in spirit than still conservative in many issues Russia ) .. but I can tell you for sure , there’s no Russian / Ukrainian person I have ever met that denied me that they adore and worship in a way the way they grew up with the traditions in Russia/ Ukraine , the family values and the general idea of simply finding a good man , marry , have children..following this idea, many times they lose orientation and they get involved in lots of crazy experiences but their goal is always this as it is a really “ sacred” let’s say tradition in Russia .. as a conclusion , the girls we see here kind of represent the big ideas that young Russian women have but few are able to seek their dreams and aims the way they like.. we speak of a country with 180 million people , around 50-60 of them are considered really modern and with a western way of thinking , the country is so huge that many people don’t even know what exists outside the borders of Putin’s land .. 

 

Anyway , let’s admire the efforts of these girls and the whatever entertainment they try to provide , I am absolutely sure that the 80-90% of us here couldn’t even be agreeing appearing on cameras and being commented and characterized as so many visitors  that we see at times ☺️

Thank you ddhm. I know there is a little bit of an English barrier here, but, your words make me understand what I don't know about the Russian/Ukranian experience and culture...it leads me to believe that all of us here have to be very, very careful of OUR words, because those of us in the West, including those of us in the U.S. and Canada, do not have a real appreciation of the Russian/Ukranian mindset...which just might be a long way from ours. Your words, on this subject, are compassionate and revealing about something we don't really quite "get" here. Thank you for your insight in helping me understand some things I really haven't paid enough attention to. You are quite eloquent in yor words...we need more of that here.

34 minutes ago, ddhm said:

They are preparing all for the end of the week and the big bonuses that need to be achieved for the end if the month and the first week days are kind of “ easy paced “ and quiet 😂🤣 prediction says that it will be a “ hot “ Friday / Saturday of events , let’s see 

Sounds like a car dealership...or police at the end of the month needing to issue more speeding tickets!