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1 minute ago, miscvoyeur said:

You said you don't know the context of the argument and you don't even know if he's right about what he says, but you know he's gaslighting right? Get fucking real. 

If your being confronted with an argument and your first instinct is to lead someone into thinking they're fucking crazy and imagining things without even feeling remotely apologetic for the entire hour of the discussion, then yes that screams gaslighting.

Thanks for reminding me why I didn't post on these forums anymore.

1 minute ago, Fagen said:

You got it right, they are at it now 🙂

Let's be real, you and everyone else here who have been watching RLC for more than two weeks could've predicted it lol

1 minute ago, cupid30 said:

Very good point👏.... something about always seemed douchey to me

Anyway, they'll end up fucking in a few hours since that's how the B folks fix their issues lol

I don't know what the context of the argument is about, but at some point she told him she's feeling like he often puts some blame onto her (again not sure why) and he pretty much told her that if he doesn't explicitely says that she's at fault for something then it's all in her head, that she is imaginating things.

Whether he's right or not, and I personally don't think he is otherwise he would have another approach, that's gaslighting 101 and a cunt move.

Lol at the morality argument in here when everyone is glued to the B houses' cams and makes the topics explode whenever X is fucking Y.

Whoever is pushing the moral high ground is either lying to themselves or just full of shit. 99.9% of the people here thinks with their dick (or clam) and it reflects in about every single post 🤣

3 minutes ago, Wölfchen said:

For me, Sabina and Cecilia's behavior is just stupid!

Yeah, not gonna lie it's funny to read all the bitching about Lackey and none towards the 2 girls for enabling his sorry ass and making a show about it. Never change, CC.

1 hour ago, JenniferMom said:

VJ, I hear what you are saying but it's not that easy to characterize all of this.   While I think there may be a few here who might fabricate things out of thin air, I believe by and large people see and hear things and derive conclusions using their own intelligence and experience to explain what is happening.

Trust me, it kills me to say this, as I am not one who says "everyone deserves a voice".  Because honestly, there are a lot of stupid people in the world and NO they don't necessarily deserve a voice.  But I don't see this with most of the people here.  Everyone sees this couple and forms judgements based on their own thoughts on how they think a couple should behave together.  It's the richness and diversity of thought on this which makes the conversation interesting.  Why there is not more tolerance of these views is fascinating to me.  It's surprising to me that I am not a very tolerant person and yet I am advocating for more tolerance here.

Listen, I'm all for diversity in opinions.

The issue lies within the realm of extrapolating beyond what's actually happening for no reason except to instigate. Of course when no one knows about their everyday life events, of course I find it perfectly fine to get diverse interpretations about them. My comments have nothing to do what that. They never were about that.

The annoying part, and that's not me but a lot of forum users who obviously have stopped posting exactly because of what I'm trying to explain, is the personal projections onto the participants' endeavours, the actual antagonizing of those who provide any useful info, and then the crazy stories taken as facts even though it's proven otherwise (i.e. "Martina has told everything that happened that last night off-cam to Alberto in the living room earlier but it doesn't matter because she's lying, I know better").
 

1 hour ago, JenniferMom said:

Take GF2, who I know many of you think is totally crazy.  But really, she may be the one person who can best relate to a free spirit individual like Martina.  Maybe she tries to provoke us but if you sift through all her crazyness, she makes a lot of good points.  Everyone wants to dismiss her but yet no on has been able to put up ANY evidence as to what Martina does all night except the basic "she just likes to have fun and Alberto is ok with that".     I'm sorry, while that may be the most likely explanation, I am not buying it just yet and I encourage everyone to just listen and withhold judgement until we know more. GF2 provides an alternative explanation. This is an amazingly interesting couple.  But the fact remains, for perhaps over 99% of the couples on this planet, if one party is spending all night away from home ... virtually every week ... that is a sign of cheating and an unhealthy relationship ... OR a sign of a less-than committed relationship.

The bold part is exactly what I'm saying, right there. So much evidence has been provided countless times but YOU just choose to not believe it because it's not what YOU want. People like @omedo and @emnv have been here trying to feed as much info as people wanted only to be met with skepticism or snarky remarks most of the time, even though their -in fact the real- narrative have been proven countless times as what happened in the timeline was fitting 100%. It's then so ass-backwards to see comments asking for actual info. Put yourself, if you ever can, in their place.

Now if you ask how they know about stuff beyond what's on cam, it's simple: Obviously they speak the language, and Martina talks A LOT about her life. Once you hear what she and Alberto are actually telling each other, you get to know a lot more than what can actually be seen on cam. And if you think that they're lying for the cams, then it goes back to my point about you choosing to stick to your idea, whatever it may be. Plus, by paying close attention (for example if you did, by now you should know the real name of most of the tenants you are following) there are rather easy ways to verify some things beyond RLC and the forums, just like with any other participant, but I won't say anything more because it's likely to be against the forums' rules.

Anyways, have it like you want...

15 minutes ago, JenniferMom said:

John:  What is the purposes of  these forums if we are not supposed  to comment on what we see?

Hold up. Let's not act like more than half the comments that's posted here aren't people's own fairy tales about what's happening off cam, which are things y'all don't see, that lead to ridiculous conclusions. Don't ask which, there are tons of examples. Let's also not act like whenever someone (who's proven to be legit) has the generosity to share some info via translation, then it's met with skepticism and deflected to the trash so that y'all theories can keep on living.

Theorizing even gossiping about stuff is fine so long as it doesn't devolve into an echo chamber of ridiculousness after it's proven otherwise, which unfortunately has occurred more than enough times.

After some of y'all are wondering why no one shares any info anymore. What's the point?

1 hour ago, Deepdave said:

Thank you for your sarcasm.  I have tried many ways to tell the forum what I feel, somewhat unsuccessfully to some.  FACT - They have been together more than 10 years.  Why stay together unless there is something special there.  FACT - they fuck a lot.  Maybe they could fuck more and longer but couples that have been together for 10 years often slow down their fucking and go for quality rather than quantity.  FACT - they are one of the more popular couples on RLC. The way they do that is by changing the things they do and making their life interesting to all of the viewers.  FACT - They have evolved over the past 10 years.  Alberto has a job and Martina is going to school.  If you project out, these are not things that a couple would do if they were going to stay in RLC the rest of their lives.  There will be an end to their participation in RLC (this site specializing in sex).  FACT - They have acted as a real couple.  They fight when they are unhappy and disagree with each other.  They make up when they are happy.  FACT - They both love her dog.  No further explanation necessary.  FACT - They have very differing personalities, but it is said that opposites attract.

Now that I have babbled for too long, in summary why is it so necessary for some people to trash this couple.  Why not just sit back and enjoy their everyday life.  No need to call them psychopaths or wimps or putas or whores or any other derogatory words that you have said about them.  They are just like us and have feelings.  I think they probably read these forums and I hope that they understand what is meant by who says it.    

Not to mention that Martina herself has said -several times- on cam that she can't stand people who make shit up here in the forums. Of course they won't believe it since it's not part of their fairy tale but I also bet that they won't even realize that there's a strong possibility that it pushes her to limit the social stuff that she does in front of the cams.

If you speak against all the bullshit ass narratives because of what actually is going on and is said on cam, you're automatically painted as a relative or someone linked to RLC when really it's just basic decency. Throwing gossips and rumours left and right about someone is just trash behaviour. And while she's definitely no angel and even her (actual) more devoted viewers (I fucking hate the term "fan") have disagreed with some of her actions they understand that it's not their place to run their mouth about it, hence the "lack of criticism" argument brought by some.

No one brings any info or translation anymore because of the tone-deaf idiots. I swear this place nowadays makes the Leora fanclub look like sane, level-headed individuals...

49 minutes ago, Deepdave said:

I could spend a lot of time refuting each point but there does not seem to be any purpose.  I am not sure  of your end game here.  Do you want Martina to leave Alberto? There may be a better relationship out there for Martina but you have no idea what their past history together has been.  You do not know how they met, who their family and friends are and what trials and tribulations they have already gone through in life (after 10 years).  All that you have seen is her relationship with Nelly (which you hope is still on, which no one can confirm or deny, except that you would think that there would be some indication on cam that would give more credibility.  But it is far more exciting to say they are still fucking even though they are probably not.

There are many other important parts to life than fucking and I believe that Martina is smart enough to see that Alberto provides her with most of those parts.  Both of them are not perfect and when you see either of them upset with each other (whether this forum agrees with me or not) this is life.  If they get upset with each other and don't talk about it and don't make up, then they don't deserve each other.  But, so far, they always find the reason to see the good in each other and then they fuck.  

Some people have been spewing this kind of bullshit almost ever since they've joined RLC (if I had a penny every time someone said that Martina is unhappy and would leave Alberto, I'd be as rich as Jeff Bezos) because 1. They can't accept the fact that Alberto punched above his weight, 2. They don't (want to) understand what an open relationship is about and 3. They're clearly bored out of their mind so they decide to create and track an imaginary narrative to entertain themselves.

Some of these people who are desperately seeking for information to feed whatever fairy tale they believe in are quick to point out the things they are seeing/interpreting on cam but then whenever a translation is provided, it's skewed into either doubt towards the translator or something to entice the viewers into buying a fake narrative just because it doesn't fit theirs (even though a lot, if not most of what has been translated was proven as it actually happened and could've been verified). And because they can't win an argument there, they then turn into believing in shit that happens off cam because it's the only way nothing can be proven. And even there, some of the things can be proven via their social media (and no I won't provide anything, but y'all should be able to find them easily since you know them so well, lol).

The funniest thing is whenever they say they love Martina and care about her when in reality she'd punch them in the face with all the garbage that's been written here.

7 hours ago, FrankZabba said:

I'm tired of talking about it and i'd kick this harley guys ass if i could ever get ahold of him!

Next time you walk by a mirror, please remind yourself that self-harm isn't the answer 🙂

51 minutes ago, StnCld316 said:

It's going to be interesting to see what happens after the play-offs are said and done. It does not look very good for Montreal Canadiens at the moment. I remember in 2011 when Vancouver Canucks made it to a Stanley Cup Final and lost.  The Fans went berzerk and tore the City of Vancouver apart with burning buildings to the foundation and torching police cars burning parked vehicles, smashing windows and looting.  They better put the Canadian National Guard on High Alert because Montrealer's are more vicious than Vancouverites when they lose. They'll be jumping all over the place after being cooped up inside for almost 18 Months from COVID19 lockdowns.   

It's over, Habs don't have any miracles left. Our defense is banged up and our key players on offense aren't doing much (some are playing injured). The coach pretty much only ran 4 dmen for the entirety of the playoffs and they're now all are playing with either one hand or on one leg. Cooper is seriously outcoaching Ducharme & Richardson. Price was absolutely stellar before this series but he's having a rough time against TBL and isn't helped at all by the defense. The Habs are making way too many mistakes and causing a lot of turnovers.

Tampa is one hell of a team, hats off to the organization for building such a powerhouse and to the players for putting it all on the line for the repeat.

I'm not sure how people will react if (when) the Habs lose but so far it's been pretty civilized here downtown. The only small trouble we've had is after the win against VGK, but it was pretty much caused by the police as told (and shown via video) by many people who were there. There were approximately 15000 people outside who were celebrating in a rather well mannered way, but because 4 or 5 idiots launched fireworks and climbed onto street signs, the police decided to shoot tear gas into the mass of people. They hit children and elders which triggered the crowd and created the confrontation. Some people flipped over and destroyed 2 police cars. No shop/business has been harmed as far as I know.

I was at the game that night, and we had to remain in the building for almost 2 hours. The players couldn't get out either. It was an interesting experience lol.

5 minutes ago, nagachilli2 said:

Just caught up on the thread...The speculation and conspiracy theories are certainly out there!! Some of you guys should team up and write a sequel to Game of Thrones...😏

The craziness alone would make it better than the pile of shit that was the final season 👍

1 hour ago, jman9212 said:

Maybe. There are other reasons people need someone. She has lived with him for a long time if she wanted to she would have left a long time ago. This is not her first outside female relationship. When they are together she shows how much she adores him. There is something to that!

Wow get out of here, you and your rationalization that sounds totally logical 😏

But you're 100% right. You'll read a bunch of malarkey here just because some simps can't fucking stand that Alberto punched above his weight, and they won't accept their couple dynamics...

20 minutes ago, TheGambit said:

as a spanish native speaker and latinamerican guy, I can assure you that these Bruno friends are scumbags, who look Gina very condescending, the way they talk and act is very common in poor places of latinamerica.

It's no surprise since Bruno is a scumbag himself

8 minutes ago, Ash1 said:

Martina hasn't made out or had sex every time she's been partying at B4.  And most of the times that she did, it was with Nelly, so I don't really see what point you're trying to make.  And it isn't safe to say that she's doing that every time she goes out.

It's kind of pathetic that you constantly fantasise about her fucking someone everytime she goes out, like there's no other reason whatsoever for her to leave the apartment, that there's nothing else that she could possibly be doing in Barcelona.  And it isn't limited to just Martina.  Just to recap some of your comments so far this year, and I don't remember them word for word, but I think they represent your comments fairly accurately:

Martina has been gone from the apartment for 7 hours, she must be fucking someone

Martina showed her boobs to a guy on the phone (it was really a girl), she must be fucking him

The fat man touched Martina's hair, they must be fucking

Martina is out of the apartment, so is Holly, they must be fucking each other

Martina and Bogdan have been gone for three hours, they must be fucking each other

Bogdan didn't cry at B2, but he cried at B4, he must be fucking Martina

Zac and his friend left the apartment together, they must be fucking each other

Zac and his friend have been gone for 8 hours, they must be fucking each other

Luna is getting ready to go out, she must be going out to fuck a guy as revenge for Zac and his friend fucking each other

Then there was the time that the girls from the "on vacation" apartments all left around the same time and it was clear from your interest that you'd already started fantasising about an off camera orgy, and if they hadn't started arriving at B2 when they did, I'm sure we would have seen plenty of comments about it.

And the time they were supposed to be going to Bruno's party, and while most people imagined a normal party of drinking, dancing and talking, you imagined some kind of sex party with one big orgy with each other.

And then there was last year, every time Alexandra and Lucian went out, you'd fantasise that they were having an orgy with Nelly and Bogdan, even though there was never anything to suggest that they were even with Nelly and Bogdan, never mind having an orgy with them.

It's really ridiculous.

Just now, EMMETT111 said:

ye

yes and if they were friends of M and A or one of them actually wouldnt they be right about most things DUH

Yes, that's the only plausible reason why they happen to be right about things related to them...

Thanks for reminding me why I, and many others, have stopped posting here. Enjoy your fantasy world...

5 minutes ago, MountainSwede said:

Being the trusting soul that I am, I watch expressions, attitudes and then depend on our translators to help with understanding what's happening.  

I don't accept everything I see on this forum.  Speculation is rampant.  However, when one of our own, that speaks the language can help us, I'm willing to accept that as fact.

Over time, you learn who is actually reliable and who's not here. @emnv & @omedo are pretty much right about everything Spanish/Valencian/Catalan, or if they're not they will make sure to correct themselves (which is pretty rare anyway).

But some people just won't learn or don't have the capacity to, apparently... (I'm not talking about you here...)

Just now, EMMETT111 said:

i dont ever claim anything as a fact i just dont accept every thing someone tells me is a fact like you do

The translators here have proved themselves to be reliable as they brought accurate info in regards the tenants only because of what they heard. And when they are wrong, they are the first to admit it and correct themselves.

But, every now and then, you can't help yourself but to put on your little tin foil hat and try to find a reason to bitch against them because you find it hard to believe that they understand them whilst you can't, or that whatever is brought up doesn't fit into your own narrative of things. Over time, you've managed to annoy every single translator that brought info here and you've been called out many times about it.

10 minutes ago, EMMETT111 said:

and thats what they told you lol,and she tells her mother all the sorted details of her sex life right ,oh and no matter what you ask the translators just happened to be listening at the one moment she she talked about it every time  so i guess these guys just spend every minute listening to every thing she ever talks about 

Yeah, how about the translators just stop sharing what they hear? Maybe you'll finally be happy once every single one of them is gone from the forum, so that way you'll be free to bring up all your theories as fact without being challenged.

3 minutes ago, jman9212 said:

Nicely put. I would like to ad that everyone here thinks that Martina is theirs and they don't want anyone, even her brother, seeing her. They are in love with her and think her beauty and body belongs to them and only Alberto has any right to all of that. Sad but true I think. 

True. There sure as shit is a lot of jealousy roaming around here. Just look at all the comments trashing Alberto for anything he does or says, and any other guy that comes remotely close to Martina...

7 minutes ago, JenniferMom said:

I can argue the exact opposite.  Nelly has the crush on Martina but Bogdan is putting his foot down and forcing Nelly to choose between him and Martina and I think it’s crushing her.  Alberto is more ok with this at least so far.  Yes just speculation.  But the tension could be getting to Nelly (past drinking, etc)

Nelly has been obsessed with Martina ever since she (M) entered the project a few years ago. If anything, I feel like she's the one dictating how the relationship goes.

1 hour ago, nagachilli2 said:

DD missed out Kitty and Smith...😏

I can't blame him since their sessions last about 45 seconds. 😏

8 minutes ago, winnlove said:

My friend, you haven't given me proof that these girls are paid !! Give me the proof, and I will follow you..

Many Russian and Spanish translators have brought up the info and the participants themselves have had numerous discussions over time about top cams and bonus money...

8 minutes ago, jman9212 said:

I sure do notice a lot of that. Too bad most of the people seem to be really nice.

Or perhaps it's the other way around and the bs doesn't come from the people who seem really nice.

Just food for thought...