Martina & Alberto - 2023 #10

[K.Lane]

What kind of alcohol is this? How many percent?

[berty_47]

8 hours ago, Noldus said:

It is very clear here
PM and mail are perfectly fine.

Thank you for your clarification Noldus.

However, I’m still upset about the deletion of two of my posts. The M&A forum has been something special for years because there are two different parties who try to present their own view of things. I wrote my post in order to help better understand the actual situation. Without knowing the background no one will understand some things going on today.

To the forum rules: If you had applied the rules to hundreds of posts coming from translators, you would have had to delete a lot of them immediately. Example: Martina goes to a disco with her friends to dance. Allowed or not?

And that is the point. I tried to counteract the partly subjective reports with a more objective report. Now the fatal impression remains that this is exactly what the reason for the deletion was.

In general, the rules are very general and imprecise. Example: There have been many reports on parties with Martina in B4/B7 for months. And dozens of reports about Martina's visits to B4/B7 including her sex adventures. Has anything ever been deleted?

A lot of my information come from conversations between Martina and Alberto. After her adventures, Martina often talked to Alberto about what happened in great detail. Luckily, I know a Spanish woman who grew up near Valencia. She translated a lot for me, which was sometimes very embarrassing.

All these conversations took place in the M&A apartment and not outside. Where does it say in the rules that this should not be reported?

Martina told Marta the story of Menorca in detail on the phone on the morning of her return. Is it forbidden to report about this?

The rooftop event:
Forum rules: Only exception is if they have a yard, inground or above ground pool, balcony as long as it's on the premises where they reside. The rooftop is not mentioned here, however in the context it's on the premises where they reside. So, it's legal to report about it. Even better: Many parts of the preparation took place inside the apartment. Allowed to report or not?

Another example: Martina has shown parts of her new apt on her mobile phone to Alberto. Later a member reported about this. Allowed to report or not?

Considering that we have to expect Martina to move soon, a lot of what happens here will no longer be interesting in the future anyway.

 

[tle]

10 minutes ago, berty_47 said:

 

If your information comes from conversations between Martina and Alberto and between Martina and Marta inside the apartment then that info should be fair game for the forum...

[berty_47]

20 minutes ago, tle said:

If your information comes from conversations between Martina and Alberto and between Martina and Marta inside the apartment then that info should be fair game for the forum...

Thank you, that's how I see it too.
And that applies to almost everything in my post.

[JenniferMom]

1 hour ago, 1962Starfire said:

What you suggest may have been an excellent option if M&A had not been "soul mates" as you describe and very much in love with each other for so long. If they had just been fuck buddies from the start, yes, a threesome with any that you mentioned probably would have lessened the tension between them and maybe become a regular hot routine in their sex life.
But since Alberto cared for Martina so much, I think he would not have agreed to a threesome. Seeing the woman you love being sexually satisfied by another woman is a lot different than watching a fuck buddy doing the same. Even if he did do it in a weak, drunken moment, I think it would have driven a deeper wedge between them and they would have parted ways soon after. I believe neither wanted that......at least then. I don't think they REALLY, deep down inside, want to part ways now but that's only my romantic, wishful thinking talking.

You are falling into the same trap that others fall into.  In your world, true soul mates are monogamous.  In my world, you can have a true soul mate and be polyamorous, i.e. swingers.  I think it is rare, and not easy to manage if you don't communicate well, and you need to have a lot of trust, etc., etc. ... but they do exist and often they are very successful.  Again, with 8 billion people on the planet, I am assuming they exist, even though I don't claim to know any swingers that are soul mates.  But too, this is taboo, and maybe some of the most tight couples I know, they swing on the side.  Sadly they have not invited me to join them.  So who knows.

The problem that @Deepdave and others have is that they tried to convince us that Alberto and Martina had a uniquely open relationship and they were soul mates.  But the problem they had is that the the open relationship for whatever reason was not balanced and shared equally between Martina and Alberto.  In this case, it was destined to fail.  OR, you assume like me, they started out as FWB fuck buddies which I believe is the most likely way to describe them.  I mean, they fucked about a week ago so they can't be too pissed off at each other even though they are splitting up.

Your point is valid but I just don't think we have a lot of evidence to support it.  You think Alberto would not agree to a threesome because he loved Martina so much.   Honestly, that sounds like a guy talking.  I don't understand a man who would turn down a threesome and further if he KNEW it would help him to get the girl he loved ... why would he turn it down?  I see no downside for Alberto getting into a threesome with Martina.  Even if he thought "I love her and I want her but not this way, not with a threesome" ... he probably had a good idea that Martina was never going to accept him as a soul mate / life partner ... so WTF, why not have some hot threesome sex?  Like I said, no downside.

[ashleyxyz]

18 hours ago, berty_47 said:

A few notes about the deletion of my forum post:

This is the second time that a post of mine has been deleted without a reason within two months. The answer from JennifferMom gives a deep inside of the things going on in the background channels of this forum:

‘Thanks Berty… well done! There was a time when if you posted something like this, you would have been blasted for being a crazy speculator and you were being rude and hostile to this loving couple. But those people are nowhere to be found now.’

These people haven't disappeared, they are still working on their life's lie in the background.

I am happy to live in a country where there is no censorship and you can express your opinion without fear of consequences.

When I look back and read what some members have predicted about the future of this wonderful couple Martina and Alberto over the last few years and now see how it all ends in chaos, I feel very sad. However, if you know what happened during that time and how many girls Martina fucked with, then these are the predictable consequences of a relationship that was never a really functioning love relationship.

In the foreseeable future, perhaps in a few days, Martina will move out. The apartment will disappear from RLC. And in a few months, most of us will have forgotten this long-standing episode including the unique love scenes between Martina and Nelly.

Martina will be happy to finally get rid of Alberto (and without feeling guilty). Whether and how Alberto copes with the loss of Martina (and Taco) is another matter. It is certainly a serious personal tragedy for him.

Many thanks to everyone who contacted me and asked for a copy of my post via PM or email.

Huh?!!  Lololol!

[SPYING 1]

18 hours ago, berty_47 said:

A few notes about the deletion of my forum post:

This is the second time that a post of mine has been deleted without a reason within two months. The answer from JennifferMom gives a deep inside of the things going on in the background channels of this forum:

‘Thanks Berty… well done! There was a time when if you posted something like this, you would have been blasted for being a crazy speculator and you were being rude and hostile to this loving couple. But those people are nowhere to be found now.’

These people haven't disappeared, they are still working on their life's lie in the background.

I am happy to live in a country where there is no censorship and you can express your opinion without fear of consequences.

When I look back and read what some members have predicted about the future of this wonderful couple Martina and Alberto over the last few years and now see how it all ends in chaos, I feel very sad. However, if you know what happened during that time and how many girls Martina fucked with, then these are the predictable consequences of a relationship that was never a really functioning love relationship.

In the foreseeable future, perhaps in a few days, Martina will move out. The apartment will disappear from RLC. And in a few months, most of us will have forgotten this long-standing episode including the unique love scenes between Martina and Nelly.

Martina will be happy to finally get rid of Alberto (and without feeling guilty). Whether and how Alberto copes with the loss of Martina (and Taco) is another matter. It is certainly a serious personal tragedy for him.

Many thanks to everyone who contacted me and asked for a copy of my post via PM or email.

Only two post have been deleted, shit I've had hundreds of post & gif deleted, but I have over 100,000 post

[Adalbert]

8 hours ago, JenniferMom said:

You are falling into the same trap that others fall into.  In your world, true soul mates are monogamous.  In my world, you can have a true soul mate and be polyamorous, i.e. swingers.  I think it is rare, and not easy to manage if you don't communicate well, and you need to have a lot of trust, etc., etc. ... but they do exist and often they are very successful.  Again, with 8 billion people on the planet, I am assuming they exist, even though I don't claim to know any swingers that are soul mates.  But too, this is taboo, and maybe some of the most tight couples I know, they swing on the side.  Sadly they have not invited me to join them.  So who knows.

The problem that @Deepdave and others have is that they tried to convince us that Alberto and Martina had a uniquely open relationship and they were soul mates.  But the problem they had is that the the open relationship for whatever reason was not balanced and shared equally between Martina and Alberto.  In this case, it was destined to fail.  OR, you assume like me, they started out as FWB fuck buddies which I believe is the most likely way to describe them.  I mean, they fucked about a week ago so they can't be too pissed off at each other even though they are splitting up.

Your point is valid but I just don't think we have a lot of evidence to support it.  You think Alberto would not agree to a threesome because he loved Martina so much.   Honestly, that sounds like a guy talking.  I don't understand a man who would turn down a threesome and further if he KNEW it would help him to get the girl he loved ... why would he turn it down?  I see no downside for Alberto getting into a threesome with Martina.  Even if he thought "I love her and I want her but not this way, not with a threesome" ... he probably had a good idea that Martina was never going to accept him as a soul mate / life partner ... so WTF, why not have some hot threesome sex?  Like I said, no downside.

I think only Alberto is able to tell us.

But sorry, I don't get your point how a threesome (on cam) should have helped them. If something like that happened off-cam we don't know but what we know is that they have discussed this point quite often and Martina was not against it. 🤷‍♂️

Can't be any relationship, the partners are not martied be called FWB or open relationship? The definition might be quite different if you ask several people.😉

That a relationship develop over the time is normal and at one point it might lead to a deep monogamous married one or there will be a separation after some time (we currently see). That happens every day. Sure we all want see happy couples full in love and a happy end but this are often only dreams, reality is different. What we currently see between Alberto and Juliet will also not stay on this level....

 

 

[daerjohn2015]

Zou het kunnen dat A en Julliet elkaar al enkele maanden kennen?

[tle]

1 hour ago, daerjohn2015 said:

Zou het kunnen dat A en Julliet elkaar al enkele maanden kennen?

Most likely...

[JenniferMom]

6 hours ago, Adalbert said:

But sorry, I don't get your point how a threesome (on cam) should have helped them.

It wouldn't have to be necessarily on cam, but then we couldn't talk about it LOL.  Seriously, the point is they need to be equally invested in something like this.  If it is one sided, with only Martina enjoying sex outside the relationship, it makes it very difficult and starts to breed resentment, etc.  This I think is Star's point.  All I am saying is if Martina really loved Alberto, she would have tried to bring him into her lesbianism with a threeway.  That didn't happen as far as we know.

6 hours ago, Adalbert said:

Can't be any relationship, the partners are not married be called FWB or open relationship? The definition might be quite different if you ask several people.😉

I don't think so.  I think the point you are trying to make is that relationships come in many many flavors.  You can still be monogamous and not be married.  Yes I do think an issue we have (when trying to discuss this here) is that we all see relationships differently.  I think a key element of a relationship is the idea of "commitment".  That to me defines the relationship the best.  Some here have tried to get us to believe that Martina and Alberto had a fairly strong commitment to each other.    I never thought they did.  Also, it is difficult for a lot of people, especially older and perhaps more religious people, or believers in Faith, to grasp the idea of casual sex and the idea of sex positivism, and combine that with the idea of a commitment to each other.   To these people, sex defines the commitment in a sense.    I don't think people with traditional values can fathom the idea that two good friends can live together and fuck and the fucking is really no more meaningful than brushing their teeth, someone that humans need to do every day.

6 hours ago, Adalbert said:

That a relationship develop over the time is normal and at one point it might lead to a deep monogamous married one or there will be a separation after some time (we currently see).

I completely agree with this.  I have always said they might have started out like a lot of couples started out.  Relationships DO  change overtime.  My frustration with some here is that during the Nelly era, several here seem to have been heavily invested in the idea that this relationship was fundamentally sound.  When we all saw how one-sided this was, it left a lot of doubts.

 

Edited October 8, 2023 by JenniferMom
Typos and clarifications.

[tle]

If she keeps wearing that slave collar I'm going to start calling her 'O'....