beancounter Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 VoyeurVilla @voyeur_villa Bad boys. Lots question abt Akira - he's in the guest mode, untill new birdies will come. We r expecting 'em very soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yadevol Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 Listening to the post-coital chat. Ivo really loves the sound of his own voice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1010 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Time, you don't get my sarcasm. I don't wish anything bad for her. I was actually saying that I don't believe that she is in industry, though I have been fooled before (like every time, lol!). I don't like her for this site although she seems nice enough. But again, I can watch big brother on tv for no extra money. They are funny, some are nice, but no sex obviously. Honestly, for me I am paying for nudity and sex, I wouldn't spend money otherwise. You aren't spending anything here, so why do you say I have no rights when I pay for a product or service? You aren't any consumer advocate, that's for sure. The only argument you can make is that we get porn stars if we pay for it. Maybe that is the problem with a pay voyeur site. How to get people you think are not porn stars, do nudity and sex and not feel they are porn stars? Or ordinary people, why would they subject themselves to this unless they liked being exhibitionists. Also, modeling and at least live porn are like natural corrolaries to this business. It even turns out they recruit people who have tried some stuff or are thinking of doing it. The other thing is Russia's economy is crap, sanctions. low oil prices. young people who like sex may be drawn to things like this because they need a roof over their heads (apartments are hard to find in Moscow) and some cash. We Americans may find this hard to understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewarp Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Time, you don't get my sarcasm. I don't wish anything bad for her. I was actually saying that I don't believe that she is in industry, though I have been fooled before (like every time, lol!). I don't like her for this site although she seems nice enough. But again, I can watch big brother on tv for no extra money. They are funny, some are nice, but no sex obviously. Honestly, for me I am paying for nudity and sex, I wouldn't spend money otherwise. You aren't spending anything here, so why do you say I have no rights when I pay for a product or service? You aren't any consumer advocate, that's for sure. The only argument you can make is that we get porn stars if we pay for it. Maybe that is the problem with a pay voyeur site. How to get people you think are not porn stars, do nudity and sex and not feel they are porn stars? Or ordinary people, why would they subject themselves to this unless they liked being exhibitionists. Also, modeling and at least live porn are like natural corrolaries to this business. It even turns out they recruit people who have tried some stuff or are thinking of doing it. The other thing is Russia's economy is crap, sanctions. low oil prices. young people who like sex may be drawn to things like this because they need a roof over their heads (apartments are hard to find in Moscow) and some cash. We Americans may find this hard to understand. I think I cleared that up. I also believe that if you check back you will see that my claim was that "I" really don't have the right to complain since I am not a paying subscriber. As you well know that is not true of everyone here. You, as a paying member have every right to complain if you wish. I will ask you to entertain this thought. If you look, there are generally several hundred visitors the this site at any given time and yet a very small fraction of them ever post anything at all. I often wonder if the same is true for VV and a majority of the people are just fine with what goes on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1010 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 You know time, you make an interesting point there. Sort of a silent majority, eh? It is possible I guess. And that could explain why VV seems impervious to complaints from vocal people here (like me) and others, if they know they still have plenty of supporters or viewers. Sucks if true! Here in US, we have democracy, not like Russia. We believe that if people seek redress for their grievances their will (and later their vote) will be heard. Guess it doesn't work that way in Russia. BTW, thanks for acknowledging my right as a paying customer to complain. I thought I understood you agreed with that. And even if you don't agree with me or others as to what is good here, that's fine. I do know in business everywhere in the world cash is king! So enough people drop from paying....., things will change or their business model will fail. It's funny, time, I almost think to myself as a business person, why doesn't VV sell advertising on its site (what type, porn or related, or regular) and sell the site for almost free. Then they cut out the malcontents like me from affecting their business as long as the advertisers are satisfied that they still get enough views! Please, do not suggest it to them. I still think we have more influence on them with this business model. And what happens if they get in backdoor into porn using this site as a springboard? They even tell us now to look at Ivo and Sonia when they are on bongacams fucking! If they can get into that somehow, we paying members are screwed! Then they don't need us much. Complicated world, the world of voyeur sex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yadevol Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 VV haven't thought this through. Ivo and Sonja were on free bonga the whole time. If they do this always why pay vv. If they go private on bonga and only have sex in the shower on pay bonga why pay vv. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewarp Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I don't want to get involved in this debate. But there is something you misunderstood or simply forgot about it. But that's the fact and you can not just push it away. Almost on any other forum for that or another reason people will register and never make not one post. Why?? Only register user can see images and links to video content. Looking with their eyes i'm sure they have other priorities when decide to spend time on forum.Why they should care about it at all. When they don't even watch show. Of couse they fine with what goes on simply because they have different reason to be here. And complaining about free video content and nude images is not theirs priority. I am not sure if we are talking about the same thing or not. I was simply referring to the fact that, for instance as I write this post, the site shows. Users Online Users Online 310 Guests, 307 Users (14 Hidden) I have no idea what the total subscribed base is. This is not the only place I have had experience with this. For years I played an online game where thousands of people played and there was real time communication. Only a very small hand full of those people would ever speak. I don't believe I have overlooked or forgotten anything and I am not sure what context "pushing it away" would be understood in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jabbath1987 Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 I really dont like that now all are camming. This site should not be a camsite. :bang head: :doh: :soapbox: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yadevol Posted January 22, 2016 Author Share Posted January 22, 2016 I really dont like that now all are camming. This site should not be a camsite. :bang head: :doh: :soapbox: Completely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewarp Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 They are not here because of the show or to make a post. Express personal opinion . They are here because free videos and images uploaded by us or other members. On other reality show there was 3700 reg users. And only 18 of us were active. All others were there just to see images. I don't know why each and every person comes here to CC. I only know what I see in terms of users logged on. I think there are many that read here and never comment. Just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clivebb Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 @timewarp: in many different forums ,it's like that,alot of members prefer only read, im on retrogaming forum in france and i read only because i don't like some members and i don't want talk with this members so i prefer only read Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewarp Posted January 23, 2016 Share Posted January 23, 2016 @timewarp: in many different forums ,it's like that,alot of members prefer only read, im on retrogaming forum in france and i read only because i don't like some members and i don't want talk with this members so i prefer only read I agree with you completely and it actually was the point I was trying to make. It is equally impossible to know how many of the regular viewers of VV ever post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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