JenniferMom

I keep hearing about the strike or work slowdown. If they were indeed protesting something or on strike or a slowdown ... what exactly would be their issue? It's not like RLC is working their asses off making them fuck all the time.

Perhaps RLC did not expect Martina and Nelly hooking up; however, I believe they fully intend on things like M&N happening. Why else put people on cam for an adult site and not intend for them to get to know each other and hook up? There will always be a segment of the RLC market that will be for monogamous couples who enjoy showing the world how they make love. But this gets boring quite fast. So RLC needs to have some drama and more sexual action which is the thinking behind GOV and perhaps apartments like Gina and Bruno's and Masha's. Of course, perhaps for the very pure voyeur, RLC is perfect as it is. Look how excited DD gets when Radi exposes a very subtle new sexy side of her for the first time. I respect DD for being true to his passion; however, I am not convinced there is enough people like him to sustain RLC. On top of this, what I learned is that we see something cute and sexy and new for the first time ... it is awesome seeing it live with everyone else who is watching live and commenting here. It is not so exciting when you hear about it here and go look for it on REPLAY and you already know how the movie ends. In my short time here, some of my best memories are the party scenes, Martina & Nelly's second lovemaking in Nelly's bedroom, Masha's activities ... etc. THOSE times when we were all watching in live for the first time and wondering what we will see. Of course, there are a ton of these that fizzled out and I coined a term "death march" to describe those nights. Getting this right is clearly a challenge for RLC. It is a delicate balance. They need open minded girls (and some guys) who are not unwilling to hook up with various partners ... but they don't also want a pure porn actor who just fucks to make money. Lastly, we keep referring to the "script". I always thought this was sarcasm but now we use the S-word so much it feels like we all believe there really is a script that is handed down from RLC and these cast members have fairly specific marching orders. I don't believe this and would be interested in what others think. My guess (just pure guess) is that RLC provides some money and "thought starters" for things like the parties, the shows, etc. and that is about it. They might encourage cast members to visit other apartments ... or maybe there is a little bonus money if they do. I can't imagine the direction from RLC being much more than that. Otherwise, why would they NOT order more hot scenes. Thanks for indulging me.

Thank you. I like the Kinder, Gentler Harley Fatboy!

You guys hate long posts from folks like DD and I ... but then you dangle red meat in front of us like this one! Of course that is the BIG question! And fundamentally the answer is obviously NO IT IS NOT REAL. We can peel back the onion on this. At the highest level the view looks like this: There are several billion homes/families/singles living on this planet. How many of these families have homes that are wired with cameras that broadcast on the internet? I can't imagine there are no more than several thousand ... maybe even 10 or 20 thousand ... but the point is, this is infinitesimally small. So from this perspective, it is not real. Very few people live like this on the planet. The next question is ... ok, within this context, what does it mean to be real, and based on that, is this real? I have said several times, a better word is "authentic". Imagine two people deciding to "try RLC" and the expectations going in of this couple could be just about anything. They could be fuck buddies that decide to do this for fun. Or they could be a couple in a committed relationship. Or a couple with an open relationship. Who knows. So, is Martina and Alberto real? To me the answer is YES as long as this truly is a couple that is very open, committed to each other, and trying to make a life together. That is what they want us to see. If that is the reality, then I say yes this is real and authentic. But if they are just old friends and fuck buddies doing this for fun and they don't really intend to have a life together, then this is as fake as what we saw in Leora and Malia's apartment. Having said this, I do think Martina and Alberto are authentic. But OMG they give us so many reasons to question this ... as we watch them as a couple and map what we see to what OUR OWN experiences being in couples relationships. How many couples are there where one party sleeps alone at night and the other is OUT from midnight to 6AM? How many couples allow one partner to have free and open sexual relationships with others? These are not common behaviors, at least among the audience here (important point BTW). It doesn't mean they are not an authentic couple because couples have all sorts of ground rules and what works for them won't work for other couples, etc etc. But these behaviors really do make it difficult for us to get to the truth, don't they? Sometimes I wonder if RLC could incorporate something you see in reality TV shows. In such shows, often you see the "cast members" talking directly to the camera about how they feel or what is on their mind ... in such a way that they communicate to the audience directly without the other cast members knowing or seeing. This could really enhance the experience ... but I wonder if it would destroy other aspects of the experience. The other enhancement I would ask for is closed captioning in multiple languages! I don't think contributed anything new to our collective understanding of Martina and Alberto ... but I enjoyed writing this. I'll stop here so DD can easily go bigger 🙂 . I am trying to practice a LESS IS MORE strategy! EDIT: Just saw DD beat me with a two line post and I have egg on my face now.

Thank you so much DWI / BI. Yes you can call me Jen if you want. I agree with you that two lovers can abstain from sex and remain friends … but I don’t think it’s easy and as prevalent as it is on TV. Happy that you made it work over 50 years and you have a soul mate and your wife apparently has two soul mates.

You are a good friend Yelt but sometimes you are all over the map. Men and women have same-sex BFF's all the time. There is no issue with Nelly and Martina spending a lot of time together as friends. And they could very well "love" each other as love comes in different forms and flavors -- not always involving sex. Lots of married couples exist where the husband and/or wife each have dear friends. Mostly these friendships are not sexual as that is what the norm is that we expect. If Martina and Nelly never had sex, would we be so wrapped up in them spending the day together off-cam? I think not. I do NOT think the two of them are thinking about living a life together. They are both committed to their men to various degrees and they obviously want to continue their strong friendship together. Where I think they are struggling is how to remain friends without the sexual intimacy they enjoyed earlier in their relationship. It is difficult getting the horse back in the barn or the toothpaste back in the tube. It appears that Martina has three close friends ... Marta, the schoolgirl friend, and Nelly. Only one of those friendships became sexual. Why? Every friend is different. QUESTION: Who here has had a sexual relationship with someone and then just became friends? And I am talking more than a one night fling that when you sobered next morning you agreed it was a mistake (like in TV shows 🙂 ). Honestly it has never happened to me ... once the relationship and the torrid sex is over ... that person is out of my life. I don't necessarily WANT that to happen ... but it's very difficult to continue to see each other "as friends". This type of open relationship is not something consistent with typical societal norms; however, as many here have noted, there are lots of open relationships in the world and these two girls I think want to be part of that world. The issue is that the men (mostly Bogdan) do not support this idea ... which is the source of the conflict. I believe if they are trying to not have sex on cam then they are probably trying to not have sex off cam either. So I believe they are out having fun as girlfriends do. Nothing wrong with that. If they can pull off sex off-cam without Bogdan finding out, then he is dumber than I thought. So yes they DO want their cake and they want to eat it as well. Time will tell if they are successful in achieving this. I've said this before but bisexuality is the one element of LGBTQ that is fundamentally in conflict with monogamy and for this reason I think it will struggle to be accepted as freely like it seems being gay/lesbian or even trans is accepted. Also ... would we be talking about any of this if Alberto and Bogdan had other lovers and these two relationships were totally OPEN? I'm not so sure. Last: These are just my opinions and speculations. Sometimes I think @girlsfun really is pulling the levers behind the curtain like in the Wizard of Oz.

No worries DW. I assumed it was some sort of a mistake. Thank you for your positive feedback.

I am one of the foremost "IF I DO NOT SEE IT I DO NOT BELIEVE IT" types here; however, I am willing to accept that if everything we know is true ... Martina and Nelly are not having sex off cam. Yes I see your point ... and I would not be surprised if they are having sex off cam ... but they do seem to genuinely be trying to not have sex so I can accept they are trying to abstain off cam too. We will never know of course. But generally, once an "affair" is exposed, it is much much more difficult to hide it from a spouse.

I'm kinda agreeing with the group my friend, you could have summarized your entire post with just the part I clipped above. I have said and many of us have said that if Bogdan is so upset, he needs to leave Nelly, not keep fucking her. He is weak in this regard. And if Alberto wants to keep Martina, he needs to step up his game and show it to her.

Thank you DWI (a screen name that is a little disturbing and hope doesn't represent you based on what a DWI means to me). I was going to add to my earlier post another thought. We talked about "friendship" and "sex" as important emotions but the other aspect of yesterday -- that you touch on -- is INTIMACY. Yesterday we saw Martina and Nelly being very intimate, not in a sexual way. This is a strong need, especially for women. Two times were very special ... once when Martina seemed upset as she was painting and Nelly came and put her arms around her to comfort her. [Translators: What was she upset about?] And then of course the entire patio discussion which included a lot of embracing and tender kissing. This is strong evidence of their connection ... a connection that they don't necessarily get from their men. Alberto for sure, I don't think ever comforts and consoles Martina. I could be wrong and ask the group to challenge me on this. But I remember even when she was struggling with her knee pain, I don't recall Alberto coming over and hugging, etc., He listened and I assume he listened empathically, but you did not see any real intimacy. He does care about Martina but you do not see a lot of empathy and intimacy. Some guys are like that, I get it. Bogdan does a bit better in this regard, especially when Nelly is drunk or needs special attention. But Nelly seems a "tougher personality" to me and not necessarily needing empathy and caring as much as Martina seems to need it. And Bogdan should worry less about Nelly getting sexual satisfaction from Martina and worry more about Martina meeting Nelly's intimacy needs. Anyway, don't need to see textbook emoji's ala DD so I will cut it off now. My thoughts on this are not well organized beyond just the idea that girls treasure the kind of intimacy we saw yesterday.

This is a good logical post that is difficult to disagree with. Of course Martina is a very good person who wants to respect her word to Bogdan. But I think the point that Girlsfun is trying to make is that love is not always logical or rational. The urges for sex and friendship are not always separate or one greater than the other in every situation or context. Yes we all have friends who we cherish and we can’t imagine having sex with. We’ve all been in that situation with a lover or potential lover where one person says “let’s just be friends”. That usually hurts and causes pain. That’s not what we have here. I don’t think Martina or Nelly want to “just be friends” because one no longer lusts over the other. This is like Romeo & Juliet or West Side Story where the thing keeping them apart is an external factor (the men). Last point: If Nelly was unhappy in her marriage, would a good true friend and lover promise to Bogdan to stay clear of sex? To deprive someone important in her life the one thing that person wants? Not saying Nelly is unhappy but she wants more and her husband is not on the same page. I like your thinking DeepDave but just don’t think it’s all nice and neat and logical this way.

What happened? I can’t seem to find any announcement. Message said “upgrade being performed” or “maintenance” or some such. Is this a new version? It’s a little comical seeing people continue to post in some threads as if nothing has happened. I know this isn’t Facebook or Insta or Twitter or even eBay or Amazon where a 3-4 day outage might be noticed … but still.

Of course DD this is true. That doesn't mean we don't want to know. If we were obsessing over where she was during the day, I might agree that would be excessive and obsessive. But we want to know what she is doing from 10PM/midnight to 5-7AM. Yes of course if she is going to a club and then out to breakfast ... having fun as a young woman in Barca might be inclined to do ... that is great. I used to love going to the bars and clubs (they close here at 2AM) and then out for breakfast and would roll into bed at maybe 4AM. Sometimes we would meet up somewhere and continue to party. Almost always I came home with a girlfriend or a boyfriend. I never had a boyfriend or girlfriend sitting at home while I was out having fun. And to those who think we have a narrative or script for Martina that we are trying to force on everyone else: There might be some who try to do that; however, IMHO, most of us just want to know the truth. We want to understand her life. Her full life. We get to see a lot on cam but we want to know more. Maybe this isn't something we are entitled to; however, the reality is this is what we want to know. At least this is what I want to know. The rumors range from "Martina is a call girl" to "Martina just likes to go out with her classmates and have fun". I honestly do not care what she does on that spectrum of alternatives. I don't care if she is making love to Nelly anymore or not. I don't care if she is fucking Bogdan or not. But yes I am fascinated with wanting to know the truth. If this is blasphemy, then I am guilty. Earlier tonight I asked @emnv and @omedo to help us understand where she goes each evening. They are generally respected as the most trustworthy translators we have. The consensus here believes in them. So please tell us. Because I know for a fact there are other people here, who may not have the same command of the language as our favorite two, but who spend a LOT of time watching Martina and have different ideas altogether. I am only trying to get to the truth. Hope you all are having a good weekend.

Maybe @emnv and/or @omedo can tell us where she is going.

Who actually prefers this? I don’t think anyone does. Ego’s will be bruised … or not … if M & N continue to make love … regardless whether on cam or off cam.

Might they be crafty enough to know that licking each other in the tub was not a great camera angle and they were being purposefully shy this way … their goal being to tantalize and tease us? You of all people should know that maybe they want to slowly reveal their evolving love for each other like the opening of a beautiful red rose. In fact you can imagine Radi, who we think reads these forums, telling Mila “I just need to lick your delicious pussy, but let’s cover up and be seductive to excite that one they call DD”. 😘

I would respectfully suggest that Radi and Mila is now perhaps the most interesting storyline on RLC right now. That is a low bar for sure, but who knows what this could evolve to? Yes licking each other's pussies under the covers was lame ... but it was also quite erotic and at least in Mila's case, she seemed to have a wonderful orgasm and the smile on her face was priceless. I know I know, we ain't paying $40 per month for smiles. I'm hoping we see more develop between these two. Remember the old adage about show business: Leave them wanting more.

And maybe Nelly is in the same class.

I agree her drinking is not super-serious; however, it is more than just "falling asleep". Agree she is not violent which is never ever OK. But she caused a scene on at least two occasions and had to be helped into bed and if I am not mistaken, she puked several times. This might be typical for an 18-22 year old; however, not for a 30-something or near-30-something. Here's an interesting question ... should Nelly consider rehab? I think not, but there are many self-righteous people here who apparently treat their bodies like a temple and believe her drinking is destructive! I think she has a bigger problem than Martina ... to the point that I am not convinced Martina even has a drinking problem. But her drinking is less worrisome than Gina, who I think (and most here think the same) is on a collision course to a bad train wreck at some point.

I agree her drinking is not super-serious; however, it is more than just "falling asleep". Agree she is not violent which is never ever OK. But she caused a scene on at least two occasions and had to be helped into bed and if I am not mistaken, she puked several times. This might be typical for an 18-22 year old; however, not for a 30-something or near-30-something. Here's an interesting question ... should Nelly consider rehab? I think not, but there are many self-righteous people here who apparently treat their bodies like a temple and believe her drinking is destructive! I think she has a bigger problem than Martina ... to the point that I am not convinced Martina even has a drinking problem. But her drinking is less worrisome than Gina, who I think (and most here think the same) is on a collision course to a bad train wreck at some point.

Who's the woman with the twins that looks like a sex therapist or a librarian?

I missed this but this is good news, Stan (the man). It seems like you think I was too hard on Alberto. Admittedly I was too hard on him months ago when I first joined, etc. But the lovable lug is growing on me and Martina seems to adore him so I am softening my views. Apologies if you think I was being too harsh on him. Great comparisons to what Masha dragged in awhile back … guys that could not get erections. Point taken. But just as we shouldn’t compare him to Don Juan … don’t you think getting an erection is a rather low bar? Agree he is as good as most of the other male cast members. I think they have a pretty good sex life and like I said I was not meaning to be negative on Alberto. Agree that Martina can improve as well. And to a point DD makes … after 10 years … the sex will become a bit routine and mechanical. I get it. But my point about Alberto trying is it would be nice if he tried every once in a while … I wouldn’t expect it every time. What makes great lovers? Interesting question. What about RLC’s most hated couple Nelly and Bog with their violin concertos in the fitness room or the poolside sessions? They are pretty good even if they are a bit of a “show”. I’ve always said that Nelly is really good at making love as she is always so into it. Great discussion.

I agree with Dave here. The only non-sexual issue we have seen Martina have with Alberta was his lack of self-esteem and the whole "ni ni" discussion. It seems like Alberto is more focused; however, I don't think we have seen any evidence that he is working on a career. But bottom line, Martina has a strong attraction to the ni ni Alberto. Is she insatiable or does she just want to orgasm and it doesn't happen (with Alberto and sometimes Nelly) so she goes into DIY mode. Not saying she isn't insatiable. She has a high sex drive for sure. But a lot of women struggle to orgasm and their partners don't accomodate. So they either fake it or masturbate. She might be happy in her heart that she makes Alberto cum and is fine finishing off with her fingers. That would be a strong sign of how much Martina loves Alberto. Stan ... this is a remarkably important point. The nature of their relationship is such that she is allowed sexual activities outside of their relationship. Because of this tolerance, which is valuable to Martina, he gets a pass from her on his lovemaking skills. It's all about balance and understanding. I have been critical of Alberto since the beginning. To me whether he can get her to cum or not is beside the point ... the issue could also be Martina. But what I do believe is unexcusable is that he doesn't even try. Every once in awhile it would be nice if he said "I am going to make you cum no matter what" ... to show Martina a totally selfless side of his lovemaking. It would be nice if once or twice we saw Martina tell him ... "stop stop, sorry to make you work so hard". This never happens. Their sex is over when he cums. Period. If he showed Martina he cares enough to try, this would be more of a sign of his love than making her cum. I enjoy giviing blowjobs and usually don't have issue getting guys off. But I had a boyfriend once I cared a lot about who took forever to cum. My jaw would hurt so bad and several times I had to bail out. But every once in awhile, when he was being a good boy that day 🙂 ... I took my time and focused and told myself (and him) I am not stopping until he cums. Sometimes you have to do that for your lover. Yes it's work but it means a lot when your partner makes an extra effort. I wish Alberto would do that for Martina. I think one reason Nelly and Martina have a vibe is they both focus on pleasuring EACH OTHER. It's true what they say that guys have it easier in the sense that it is pretty obvious whether a guy cums or not. Girls can fake it pretty easily and I feel bad for guys who deal with that. I know guys want to know but a lot of girls don't want to hurt the guys feelings. It's refreshing that Martina does not seem to fake it ... she just goes into DIY mode. She is refreshingly authentic in this way. So there. I bet you guys thought I would go all day without a post.

Patience my friend. The new Radi is on the way ... Time to re-up those subs!!!

Hey girl ... I understand the point you are making and do not disagree at all with the thought that people need to be careful and take responsibility for their own actions. But you are comparing Russian Roulette (kind of interesting this is a Russian game and RLC is Russian, isn't it?) ... where you have a theoretical chance of dying of 1 out of 6 or 16.7 percent. The last data I saw said the mortality report for under 25 year olds is 1 in 10,000 or .01%. These are vastly different odds. Of course you are using Russian Roulette as a literary device to make your point ... but this my point as well: These younger folks aren't stupid. They know the risk levels for them are way low. This is why they engage in behavior that older folks feel is risky. Nothing Martina has done I don't think has caused a significant risk off her dying due to COVID. In fact, if she is having lots of unprotected sex, this would be a higher risk activity than COVID perhaps (I am not an expert on these things). Of course there are reasonable arguments about preventing transmission ... like when Martina goes to visit her parents etc. I get that. My point simply is that we see a lot of "partying behavior" all over the globe from the millennials ... and they get trashed for this ... but yet in their eyes ... the risks are not there. And note, I am not defending the millennials. It just seems very logical to me that they don't see the risk and thus they are not going to easily change their behaviors. This is like my 3rd COVID post ever. Need to stop myself here.