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Hello @JenniferMom Good to read your comments from time to time. While I cannot speak for others, I agree with you. I would not like to see them fail together or individually. But the odds are against them. Especially since they both appear to work so hard to drive in the right direction. Alberto caught a lot of grief (shit) for not working (from me as well) and being more passionate regarding sex with Martina. He did everything else (took care of the apartment), but it was the sex everyone complained about, and expressed dissatisfaction for Martina, well that and not escorting her on outings. Perhaps I am the only who one would not be comfortable falling in love a person such as her, not because she is bi-sexual but because she is nice and fun with substance but the one guy that has supported her beyond just “Sex”. Who assist her with her entrance test, and continues to assist her with school assignments? However, I do believe the nudity and sex, clouds the minds of many on this forum (unless you know her personally) and that alone may not be the formula for "Success", which many here enjoy. It is less sexual viewing now that Alberto is working and also perhaps due to Martina's outside developing interest? I also do not believe intelligence alone may be the prescription for "Success". I believe there are a combination of attribute that equate to “Success”. How successful can you be if you treat the very one who loves you most with disrespect and are just plain callous, choosing all others before him. Will that personality move from one to another, to another. How is the relationship between Nelly and Martina. I would venture to say, Nelly is learning to be a good wife (do the right things) but would probably have sex with Martina in heartbeat, but Martina would not even do it (she would think about it) intoxicated. Nelly is to clean now and perhaps the crash helped her understand. My thoughts are from my viewings of RLC when I had a subscription and some from what I have read currently on the forum which I am not so naïve to believe they are entirely true. Martina does not want kids, she does not want to get married, and she will tell anyone she is bi-sexual. It would be interesting if Martina and Alberto do separate, how she will live and who may take advantage of her for sex, and she does not absorb the life she wants to live as bi-sexual. Will she partner with a lesbian (who want nothing to do with men on a personal level), straight men that will only want to fuck her (having no emotions), perhaps gay men are the right choice? Most people have an end goal in mind especially those as intelligent as Martina… maybe not. Perhaps life will just happen, which books do not explain. Do I want to see Martina or Alberto fail, “Absolutely Not”, but the needles and suture are not being passed in the true direction for a successful life together.

Wow! How long has it been since they have engaged in sexual entertainment together? I must say after an all-nighter (for Martina or anyone) it must be tiring and cause for increased vaginal soreness (but I hope quickly forgotten)? I hope they enjoyed the intimacy together.

Correct, It’s an "Open Relationship". Alberto knows what she is doing most nights while she is away; he will be there sexually (perhaps using her for his pleasure mostly) until he develops feelings for someone else. He may endure until Martina begins to exhibit an increase in dishonesty, deception, and an escalation of her secret infidelity. I would also not be surprised if Martina is having sex off camera with another male, but those overnighters are mostly spent with another female. While they must have agreed to this “Open Relationship” and have a level of guidelines, if Martina does not make Alberto miserable and him pull away from his closeness with her, I am convinced they will survive each other’s fears (if any) and stay together (sustain that nominal percentage of open relationships). Is it a matter of Martina simply interested in sexual freedom with whomever? If the table is turned and someone else finds an interest in Alberto (there are much better than Martina out there), will Martina become jealous and have a fear of losing her friend and challenge back or just exit” They are both individuals and since I choose not to watch RLC, does anyone believe in their viewing of Martina and Alberto together, they maintain a certain degree of trust, freedom, and respect as the separate individuals they are? In early forum discussions, I ask if Martina and Alberto say to each other “I love you” I was told “Yes” back then. Has anyone heard those words “I love you” from either of them today? Or if they have even mentioned to one or the other “I want you to love me” ? @daerjohn2015What do you mean “how long will Martina go along with it”.

The questions is, after Bingo, will Alberto get sloppy seconds as per usual after a long night of Bingo or will Martina spend the day sleeping, dreaming hoping she didn't receive the transfer of an unwanted bacteria to pass along to her good friend Alberto. Or perhaps her dreaming will consist of how many times she won and called out Bingo; No, it is why she came back to RLC and (what I can only imagine) that crappy apartment? Oh yes from what I have read she returned back for all that watch RLC and pay her to sleep, walk around topless and I hope, watch her studying.

Young, yes but is she really, really in pursuit of sex, parties, alcohol, and drugs adventure? Is she beginning to look older from the wear and tear of that which I just mentioned. Is she confused by this whole bisexual demand? Perhaps her readings are in an attempt a looking for a way out. A friend mentioned to me Martina is reading "IKIGAI". It is about nourishing friendships, getting adequate rest, doing consistent moderate exercise, these are some of what is the start to forming good health, a good life. The secret to a lengthy and the happy life Martina would like to have and accomplish; it may start with finding her own “IKIGAI”. In my opinion, from what I have read and had previously seen on RLC; she and Alberto may have been made for each other, and hence the reason they have been together this long. (Is she done yet) However, to start a longer and happier life together they will need to separate from RLC; get to know each other better, raise their level morals, be more respectful, and trusting of one another. I don’t read much about Martina and Alberto having sex as much any longer but more speculation she is having sex off camera, with a male or female or both. Lately, there tends to have been a great deal of chatter about the guy in the hoodie. She is not having sex with this guy. My question is “will you all begin to see less and less sex from Alberto and Martina? Will they begin to travel and spent more nights out together when possible? It is less than tasteful for me to say but perhaps with a little training, more friendship and less self-indulgence; Martina might have found the right partner in Alberto; just not yet excepting.

Yes, Yes, you are correct, I do need to resubscribe, However, I refuse to pay to watch fake shows and lack luster entertainment with no caption or interpretation. As I read through the forum, especially related to Martina and Alberto, there are the comments and jokes of an empty apartment, Alberto sleeping, Martina’s same average bouncing tits and her preparation to depart for the evening. Why would I pay a few euros for unreal life entertainment and an empty apartment. Although, I like to read and follow the forum for what’s next with M&A, I am especially patient to read who on the forum will be proven wrong or right. I understand you feel strongly they love each other, and we all know they do not have a monogamous relationship but let’s hope they have some rules; and as you say, “they will also have their fun outside their relationship as well, but with each other’s knowledge and approval.”. Is it possible Martina is living two lives on and off camera, that may eventually pay a toll and finally cause some strain on the M&A relationship seen on camera. If she is living two love interest, who will she love more, who will she decide to live with full time? How long can one share love and time between two partners? Let’s envision for a moment, Martina is having another outside relationship, could it be she is living two lives (RLC and the other on evenings and weekends). Not just the fun n sun off camera, but with someone she has begun to feel the love for as she does for Alberto (not the same love but love)? Until we actually see it in plain sight, can we believe anything. Right! Life goes on! I am always hopeful we will see Martina, and Alberto leave RLC, sooner than later; no matter if they end together or apart. I which for Martina, she matures, is loyal to one partner (male or female) and is happy with whatever is decided, with whomever. Just a thought!

My apologizes. She most likely did not take lube. Thank you for responding.

Like what? Lube? Fun with the friends without Alberto in the shadow. I am still trying to figure out why she bothers to live with someone which she has no respectful and loss of love! It cannot be for the money she is making money from all that watch her on RLC. Or maybe that's it, she tolerates Alberto for the RLC funding and until school has been completed? I hope she is continuing her education! Since Alberto seems to be illiterate to her ways (or not), she does whatever it is she wants with whoever she wants with no problems (for now). I assume Alberto is still working (right) and from what little I know he works hard. And if he is working it is most likely not to please Martina but to get away from RLC. I often wonder if Martina even appreciates Alberto for working two jobs...I don’t think so. But as they say here "toushi kaishuu wa mesu inu desu". However, Alberto could be using Martina! That’s it, right! And by the way, my guess is they planned her trip today..together!

Hello @daerjohn2015 No disrespect but who cares whether she is good or not, and yes, they have an open relationship. I continue to refuse a subscription as my choice, and therefore I no longer have visual site into an RLC portion of their life. Martina and Alberto have a life with RLC that those with subscription see and may pay for and a life outside of RLC which is not paid for and is none of our concern. I trust Martina and Alberto have given all of us as viewers (myself included when I was a subscriber) of RLC their money’s worth and then some. I also believe there may be more yet to come and see but patience may be key. But who knows. I just hope Martina finishes school and does not deter her life for what she can firmly grasp versus the life she wants and may dream of having; For Alberto, yet again I hope he becomes an entrepreneur. I am not saying I can read into the future or have a magic ball (wish I did), but I read these threads and revisited old ones as a reminder. And I believe regarding these two we don’ t read more, or the reason others do not share more on this thread about their activities, is because many already know what’s going on and again it is none of our concern.

Why is it that Martina has to be out with a man or woman and having sex. Why can’t she be out with friends, just partying and having fun? As we all know she has many friends.

Yes, I concur. We are all of us entitled to an opinion. And I would agree that no one and perhaps those that are linguist may not understand what happened. Is it also your assessment for the reason of the key transfer from Alberto to Martina, mentioned earlier on the forum. A quiet departure!

Hello, Why are you saying the final curtain is near? Your comments may be too dramatic. Are you saying Alberto is leaving, Martina is telling Alberto to "get out" or both are leaving RLC. I would be more than happy for them if they left RLC but only if they can afford it and live a much better life than they do now; especially as Martina attends school. The atmosphere is most likely due to a normal couple disagreement. It should cool off by the next day.

Ahh..Did Bogdan also note that Nelly is also on vacation until October 9th?

Appreciate that bit of information regarding the family. Clearly, the mother has some life experiences and more to come; and she will get through this new hardship with her husband of over 30 years. If Martina's mother knows well what binds Martina and Nelly, why would showing their affection in front of her not be seen. Just a normal for her and the family, right. Nelly, did you enjoy the flowers from Bogdan?

Sounds like Nelly visited Martina and I suspect it was without Bogdan. And therefore he was not introduced to Martina's parents? Will Martina and Nelly leave together later?

Hey Alberto, If you are reading this, Why don't you help yourself to better your relationship with Martina and send her or pick her up some nice flowers. Just to say you "Love" her.

Good Thought! No one wants to be alone. Although, I really doubt Alberto is afraid of being alone. It seems he has been alone a large percentage of the time on RLC when not working, or playtime with Martina, right? I would also believe Alberto would expect his roomy will walk away at any time. He would be hurt but not surprised. On the other hand, I believe with Martina’s personality, need for social activities and cravings, she would have a period of mental distress if she were to be left alone. I have not heard much of the Friday and Saturday overnight partying by Martina as before and could be spending more time in with Alberto? Did something happen that she has relaxed that playtime. Has she finally realized what the mounting social media visibility will do to her future or perhaps she is attempting some transformation for that special secret someone?

I am sure the woman of the forum would recommend a visit to a gynecologist (soon). She may have an infection or has an injury. The thought about going braless too often with no support is a good one. They will suggest a mammogram and ask some questions about symptoms and possibly do a pregnancy test and a Papanicolaou (Pap Smear) if one has not been performed lately. There could be any number of reasons for this one and her lifestyle.

Interesting question? Why do you ask?

Why the guest room? Is Martina out longer than discussed or is he working this morning and needs his rest?

Too much alcohol or caffeine consumption Stressed Pregnant

How about she is out with a tour group?

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What remains interesting to me is “Alberto”. How long can his mental stability remain calm, unaffected, and uncontested to the habits of living with Martina, a "bi-sexual". She who is still learning the values of morality and personal honesty. Sure she and Alberto have known each other for a while, and some believe they may be in love (I too wish that) but don’t believe for a moment they know how to love nor what love feels like. Martina may care for Alberto, but due to her bisexuality needs, it sounds increasingly as if she uses Alberto only as her safe zone. Martina has so many other questionable personalities, most notability “Trust” and selfishness! Although not as frequent, I do not hear Martina is doing her out all night things. Nor do I hear that Martina and Alberto have planned or had that romantic dinner with just the two of them. I see there other travels as friends. If Alberto was in love or is in love wouldn’t something like this occur at least once? Perhaps we dismiss the outing together with all the sexual apparatuses, as it may be more of a bisexual arrangement for Martina and Alberto only there as a safeguard. As Jen has always argued, the relationship between Alberto and Martina is one of good friends, love of good friends, “Friends with Benefits”. No matter how much love there appears to be between them, I see no future for them as romantic lovers, parents, etc. Martina would I believe (hope to be wrong) be much better off living with another bi-sexual if she envisions a normal life (for whatever is normal life today). And as someone mentioned, if they do separate, they may remain good friends and Alberto would get the dog. As for Alberto, he too can pursue and engaged in the activity for another partner, I often wonder why he doesn’t? There are just as many Martina’s out there as there are Alberto’s. I would also say unless this is a business relationship (Martina and Alberto) and even if they continue to communicate behind closed doors, this bi-sexual thing must affect him in some manner. It sounds as if Alberto is doing well with his new, not so new job and I am very happy for him. However, in my humble opinion, Alberto and Martina will move on separately at some point; mostly because with each day Alberto could be thinking more of the future, which could be a part of the discussed between he and Martina behind closed doors (out on the patio or in the bathroom). My only other thought is if the other relationship Martina is having, is it with a male or female. If a male, then perhaps pregnancy would play a big part in an early separation. If Martina is sexually friendly with other males, as some might suspect, there is no book you can read that will stop all sperm travel.

Just reading through the conversations regarding Martina and Nelly; It appears members would like to believe there is something continuing between the two, noticeably due to the time off camera. Or just plain refuse to believe it could be. Of course, there is no visual evidence the two are still having sex and there does not seem to be even any good speculation that is could be happening. I too applause Martina for befriending Nelly considering Nelly lied to her about the approval of her husband to engage in the relationship. Yes, I believe they (Martina and Nelly) have moved on, and the forum must move on and perhaps have as well. Nelly and Martina are both bi-sexual; could it be the relationship exists because of the commonality? Martina could be seeking advice from one bi-sexual to another about her latest bi-sexual adventure? Maybe it is Nelly talking to Martina about her latest relationship?. If advice Martina is seeking from Nelly, I would caution her with what information she shares with Nelly as it could have a contaminating effect to whatever relationship Martina is currently pursuing. In terms of toxic, it can only take one drunken incident.