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You really do believe that these girls are trash with no morals, don't you? That's very sad. You didn't use to be like this. I remember when you posted before you got your bad news. You posted some very thoughtful and caring things. It was fun to interact with you. Please think about that. I miss that dfcCap/Harley.

I cannot believe that I missed this.

I think that was right after she "broke up" with the bf temporarily. Now that they're together again, we probably won't see that again for as long as they stay together.

I know what you mean. On the one hand, I want them to find bfs and be happy. On the other hand, the 2 bfs we have seen so far completely change the dynamic in the apartment (and not for the better).

Yea. that was during Kamila's 2nd "tour" when Kristy came. Kristy was the perfect girl to pair with her. I loved watching them flirting and petting. It was some of my favorite viewing sessions. They just made me smile.

You may be right. But, I think her bf told her that he didn't like her showing all the skin (especially no masturbation) and she changed her behavior to please him. I think because they are both world travelers, he doesn't want people he knows to see her nude. Then, when they temporarily broke up, she went back to showing a lot more. Now that he's back, she will probably withhold again. Obviously, I'm not pleased with that. But, it's her choice.

Nick. I think you may be recalling the second time she came to the Barcelona house. Remember that she actually had 2 tours there. And, the really funny thing is that I was fairly new to RLC at the time and I got furious with her the first time she came because for almost a whole week, she would not show any skin at all. She even showered outside the apartment because she didn't want anyone to see her nude. It took about a full week for Nora and Monica to finally tease her into showing something. They even went into her room a couple times when she was in the process of taking her bra off beneath her shirt and reminded her not to do that. Kamila laughed and shook her head and then removed her top before removing her bra so that we could see her breasts. The big breakthrough came when Kamila took a bubble bath and actually masturbated in the tub. She had a powerful orgasm which she later told Nora was the most powerful orgasm she had ever had in her life because she was thinking about how there could be hundreds of people watching. It really turned her on. :-) That is actually one of the most common sexual fantasies of women according to a bunch of medical and psychological studies. From that point on, she started masturbating under the covers and stopped hiding when changing clothes or showering. The second time she came, she was brave from the very first day. :-)

19 minutes ago, Nick said: yes you absolutely right but I seen big business go down the hill because bad management ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know why the multi-quote function is not working for me at the moment. But, I wanted to actually include both of the above quotes in my reply. Here's my reply: I've been saying since I first became a member of RLC that I thought they made some ridiculously poor business decisions from my standpoint. I have never changed my mind about that. I have simply stopped talking about it because it doesn't seem to make any difference. (Question: why do we not have a simple "smile" emoticon in our selection pop-up?)

And you can bet that if he does come, there will be a lot of people who just love Elisa now that will immediately label her a slut and a ton of more insulting things. Because some people believe that any girl who has sex is of super-low moral character (apparently, just like the other 99% that have sex out of wedlock - regardless of age).

Sorry, but you don't understand at all the way I think and you are simply wrong about today's young women.

If RLC did not put into their contract that they had to show us everything that they did (which RLC obviously did not do since no one in any RLC apartment shows us everything they do), then why should they be criticized if they don't want to show uncovered sexual intercourse? At least they show us a lot more nudity than many of the apartment tenants do. We may wish that they showed us "everything", but it is not a requirement as far as RLC is concerned. Also, the term "voyeur" means different things to different people and is defined differently in dictionaries and other written documentation. I wish we could see more too, but It's been made abundantly clear that RLC doesn't care a whole lot about what I want.

Serous question. I honestly don't mean to be a smart-ass. But, is there no one who posts here on a regular basis that understands how beautiful 22-24 year old single women act these days? I honestly don't know what you all expect from these girls. Do you want them to be virgins (not normal) or maybe just celibate (not normal)? Do you want them to have the maturity of 35 year olds (not normal)? Do you not want them to explore their sexuality and their curiosity about life and just accept what they are "told" to do (that would be truly sad, imo)? I simply don't see either Kamila or Kristy doing anything that any "normal" pretty young woman doesn't do regularly. They are learning about life and they are learning about themselves. They are also exploring and learning about relationships. They are nice young women who, imo, do not deserve to be so harshly criticized. I dare say that if any one of us had been having our every action in life at that age critiqued by a bunch of people who didn't even know us other than to see a tiny slice of our days and hear a minuscule amount of our conversation recorded (and translated), we would not want them to be so critical of us. We all made a "few" bad decisions and mistakes when we were that age. If you want to be mad at RLC for putting them in an apartment, then go ahead. But, why these girls continue to be criticized is beyond me.

Wow. I just now had a chance to read this thread. I don't know how much, if any, of these arguments came about from my first post. But, just to make it clear, I was not complaining at all about a lack of sexual activity or a lack of nudity. The whole purpose of my first post in this thread was to simply specify that I found Kristy's bf's treatment of her to be crappy. I didn't understand why he was acting like she wasn't even there or, if she was, then she was irrelevant to him because all of his phone calls and photo and message scrolling were far more important to him than anything that she wanted. I thought his behavior, at best, was quite rude. I watched it for about one and a half hours and saw practically no affection from him at all while she kept seemingly flirting with him by wrapping her legs around him, giving him flirty smiles and gestures and more. I had cut away briefly during that one and a half hours twice, but neither time was that long at all. Based on the replies I got to my post, apparently there was something that went on while they were on the balcony (although since there is no camera out there, it's not totally clear what happened). I didn't see that. So, it affected my assessment of what was going on between them. I don't know whether that post had anything to do with all the angry replies or not. If it did, I apologize for posting my reaction to what I personally saw. Then again, that's what I thought forums were all about.

I would but, to be honest, my time is limited right now and I don't want to be rude by leaving after a couple minutes.

I must have missed the time(s) he tried to fool around. I joined it after I noticed that she had a guy there. But, I watched for over an hour of her wrapping her legs around him and so forth and he acted like he could care less and spent most of the time on his phone. I'm well aware that they haven't done much of anything with guys in the apartment, which is why I was surprised to see him there and interested enough to see what would happen that I blew all that time watching nothing happen. I broke away twice briefly out of frustration and, when I came back, it seemed as though nothing much had changed. I guess I just missed it. I still don't understand why I almost never see any cuddling or petting sessions between males and females in any of the apartments. Maybe it's a generational thing and they just don't have much foreplay anymore.

Ok. Well, I guess that happened during one of the two times I cut away in frustration. But, I didn't think I was away long enough for anything to happen. I watched pretty much continually for over an hour and a half and saw Kristy wrapping her legs around him multiple times and doing a lot of other things to try to get him to be amorous and he wouldn't get off the phone. But, as an additional issue, is the culture there so different that young couples never "make out" or have "cuddling" or "petting" sessions? So many times, in every apartment, there seems to be no real foreplay of any kind that I've observed. I don't know, but I used to love that kind of thing. Maybe it's a generational thing or something because of the extensive use of mobile phones and tablets.

That was after he had refused her advances numerous times and she finally got pissed at him. She had previously placed his hand on her breast and wrapped her legs around him many times. I don't blame her for getting pissed at him. And, guess what? That's a form of body language too.

If that's her ex-bf, I can see why she sometimes feels undesirable. That scumbag kept blowing off her advances like he'd get to her when he had nothing left to do and no one left to talk to on the phone. I (and every other man with a brain) would have been all over her the first time she gave an indication that she wanted to fool around. What is this world coming to?

He has got to be the most arrogant or most stupid guy I've ever seen. He made her wait for hours until he was "ready". Then, she cleaned up and made him wash himself. He took so long in the bathroom that Kristy rolled over on the bed to go to sleep. When he finally gets out of the bathroom (with Kristy still awake and waiting), he goes to the kitchen and blows another 15 minutes. Finally, he goes back to the bedroom, lays down on the bed, and picks up his phone and starts looking at pictures. He's now waiting for Kristy to fall asleep so that he doesn't have to do anything. I can't believe that Kristy would put up with that crap. I'd throw his butt out and tell him not to ever call again. She deserves so much more than that kind of disrespectful treatment.

If anyone thinks that there is any passion or desire or sexual interest in these little "pecks", please enlighten me as to your logic. I have not seen a single interaction between them where the guy shows any romantic interest whatsoever. I do believe that there is interest from Vika in a romantic relationship, but he has rejected her every effort to get something going. I feel bad for Vika.

Apology again. I didn't expect this reply to turn out to be so long. Just skip over it if you're not interested. mr1010, I understand your point of view and I'm sure there are many others who share it. I, however, feel a little differently. While there has been a great deal of "show" in all the girl interactions at the Barcelona house, I simply do not believe that anything we have seen in the new K&K place has been "staged" or "made up" in advance to arouse or fool the viewers. I think that, in this apartment (more than any other) we are seeing the closest thing to "real life" that can be found on the Internet cam circuit. Now, does that mean that I believe that they never "play to" the cameras? No, it most certainly does not. The fact is that, for a lot of young women, the thought of someone watching them and getting excited is a big turn-on. Kamila told Monica and Nora that the masturbation she did in the tub the first time in Barcelona was the most exciting thing she had ever done and that she had the most powerful orgasm she could remember because she realized that hundreds or thousands of people might have been watching. It was a super turn-on for her while she was doing it. The reason I know this is because a Russian friend of mine was watching the scene with me and told me what the girls were saying. It is also well known, and discussed, in various material on Sexual arousal in the academic Psychology (and Medical research) world that the thought of being seen while having sex (of any kind) is one of the most popular sexual fantasies that people have. So, yes, I think that any time Kamila or Kristy masturbate or "fool around" sexually in some way, the thought of being watched affects how they proceed to a degree. Just like they consider how to act and react to each others' acts of affection, the realization that they are being watched has to pop into their mind and it is a turn on for them too. So, their reactions are a combination of the genuine feelings they have for each other (at that moment in time) and the realization that others are watching. It's only natural. To me, Kamila and Kristy are acting just like 90% of all the young women their age act. Sometimes they act a little immature, just like any other young person. But, most of the time, I think they make very sound decisions. But, I think that most of those who have seen these 2 young ladies frequently over the past year will have to admit that they have been very consistent in the way they act and handle different situations when happy, sad, angry, aroused and any thing else you can think of. They are basically "being themselves" and I think that it is a very rare thing for either of them to simply "play up to the cameras". In summary, I don't think that what Kamila and Kristy do is planned behavior just to "tease" us. I think they do it because they really are best friends and love each other. I think there is a sexual element to their attraction, but I don't believe (although I certainly could be wrong) that they have had any truly serious lesbian action between them as yet. Having said that, I also believe that, because they love each other as friends, they may just decide to cross that threshold at some point in the future. I believe that, if they do, it will be a spur of the moment thing based upon the situation and their emotions at that particular time. I really don't believe that it will be a "planned event". I simply believe that these two girls specifically are as consistently "genuine" in their behavior and actions as anyone could be - given the fact that there are cameras on them at all times while in the apartment. I don't expect many to feel the way I do. I know that some will discount everything I've just said because they think that I'm "in love" with Kamila and "could never imagine" her doing anything wrong. The truth is that I really believe in the character of these young ladies and I feel lucky to have been able to watch them as they live their exciting young lives. It's fun and their actions often remind me of different situations that I faced in my youth.

I think she is at least a C cup. Those beauties are perfectly shaped and very full. I've always loved Rita.

mr1010 said " I appreciate Kitek and Yury for the translations." Well, I do too. They help us interpret what we see and observe ourselves. However, I think it is a big mistake to just accept what they say. Not because I think they are intentionally misquoting anything, but simply because it is often difficult to make out what the girls are saying. They often lower their voices for certain pieces of a conversation or turn their heads in a way that muffles part of what they are saying. And, as we all know, if you paste any phrase into multiple on-line translators, you will get multiple interpretations/translations. Some of the translations are radically different too. So, although the translations are close to what is actually being said/meant, any slight flaw in interpretation can dramatically change the entire meaning and tone of the exchange. Just think about when you were listening to conversations in your native language and had to strain to make out what was being said. I bet you will realize that you are completing that part of the conversation with the help of what you know (or think you do) about the people who are doing the talking. You simply can't take as absolute truth anything that is translated - no matter how good the translator is - regardless of whether that's a person or a translation program.

Thank you alan for adding a little more sanity into the discussion. I will add one more thing that, to me, is laughable. A number of the people who concoct these ridiculous scenarios, and state them with conviction, are not even premium RLC members and have never actually seen a single thing that they feel competent to put their spin on. Let me repeat - they have NEVER even seen what happens in the apartment live. Not once !!! All of their information comes from what they see in the pics and read in the posts on CC (and, sometimes the rlccamfans forum). Yet, they feel justified in criticizing the girls and spreading these often obscene scenarios that they've created in their heads as though they were fact. It's disgraceful and speaks volumes about themselves and their distorted belief systems. I know this kind of nonsense will continue to be posted. But, every once in a while, I reach my limit and just have to speak up and call them out on their actions. I'm sure I'll make a lot of new friends from posting this kind of rebuttal (joke, joke). But, I just feel I have to speak up occasionally so that forum members who haven't been here long can realize that they can't believe a lot of the nonsense they read on here and further spread the lies unknowingly.

Warning, this is a very long explanation of my reaction to what has been posted here. Feel free to just skip it if you don't have the patience to go through it or don't believe that I could possibly have anything to say that you care to know. I promise not to be offended. I know that it's fun to try to interpret the things we see and hear in this apartment. But, to be honest, I find it very hard to make the jump in logic to some of the assumptions, conclusions and theories presented here. It's not limited to the K&K place either. But, their popularity seems to cause everyone to look at every little facial expression or body gesture of all of the participants and then draw conclusions that, frankly, are sometimes outlandish. From my standpoint, it appears to me to simply be a situation where Kamila was crazy about the guy at first. However, the more she spent time with him and the more intimate they got, she began to realize that he wasn't the perfect guy that she thought he was at first. He, on the other hand, became more and more possessive and started pushing her to get married (and soon). Based on what we've seen and heard (and including the translations of Kitek and Yuri), it seems very likely to me that Kamila kept having second thoughts about him (especially the getting married part). What we have seen IMHO is that Kamila told him she didn't feel right about it and he, not wanting to lose her, has been trying to get her to change her mind. I think the giant teddy bear gift bought him a lot of time because she was so thrilled with it. However, even though we have seen them make love in the apartment, it took him a great deal of seduction to finally get her to give in. After the "big event", it seemed to me that Kamila was still feeling the same confusion about where the relationship could and/or should go. She still has feelings for the guy. She's not "stringing him along" or whatever was said in one of the posts. Nothing she has ever done during her 3 tours with RLC even hint at her being a manipulative person. Quite the contrary. She wears her emotions on her sleeve at all times. What you see is what you get with her. She is a stunningly beautiful woman and has no need whatsoever to string him or any other guy along to be her transportation and entertainment provider. I'm very confident that, if she needed those things (or pretty much anything else), she would have very little difficulty finding multiple volunteers to provide her with them. Whether their relationship continues or ends abruptly in the near future, I have every confidence that Kamila's decision will be based on what she wants her future to be like and how much she is willing to "compromise" in order to accept a long-term, committed, relationship. So, to sum it up, I believe we are seeing "real life" here (imagine that) and it amazes me that some people don't seem to allow themselves to even consider that possibility because they hate RLC so much. Sorry if I sound preachy to you. That was certainly not my attention.