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Thank you for that. It blows my theory out of the water, because I thought the 3some may have been the first time for Nina and DE, oh what a fool I am. So the question is, does Kira know that they have had sex prior to the 3some, if she does not and then finds out... Well that will be the final crushing blow which could send Kira away for good!

Hi, the suitcase was used this morning 04:00 - 05:00 to pack some things in to it. Such as the posters she and DE made and some printed stuff from earlier in the night. Kira left and DE arrived later and the suitcase and some other things that looked like stands of some sort were taken away. (See page 11 3rd item down for a fuller description) Throughout the morning, Nina and DE came back with a coffee, then left. Kira came back a couple of times too, so they were not far away. Nina came back and grabbed some electrical extensions and dashed out again. Then later it appeared in the hall, I think it's now empty.

Mostly right on this one. There was an occasion a few weeks ago 08/30/17 where Nina "Serviced" (a horrible word, but fitting in this case) Kira completely. Each time Kira tried to reciprocate she was pushed back down and Nina, I must admit, did a splendid job. But, and it's a big But, Nina was not what you would call overly passionate about it, there was no trace of orgasm on her part. There was tenderness there afterwards towards Kira and it looked heartfelt, but with Nina I can never really tell. As for the 3some there was something that happened that made Kira leave the bedroom and she looked very unhappy about it. What should have happened was Nina should have followed her out and offered her support, she should have taken Kira back to the bedroom and banished Doe Eyes back to the couch. But apparently she did not. This is the moment when it all went wrong when Nina let Kira down, very, very badly. We all know the rest, and the fallout from that evening/morning has been immense.

HiYa, I like your take on this relationship as so much of it rings true. You are probably right about Kira just wanting a relationship. It is a classic case of someone not knowing their own worth. If she knew just how much she was Liked/Loved (you choose) on rlc, her self esteem would rocket and all the problems in her past (self harm etc) would diminish. The demons may not go away, but she would be in a better position to fight them. Nina being Nina will always take advantage of those around her, there is nothing anyone can do about that. As for changing! Deep down I think we all knew that was a non-starter, we just hoped that she would finally see reason and start pulling her weight. Alas this will never be so.

I will have to concede defeat on this Alokin, you are 100% correct. For most who view rlc they need action and stimulation, they most certainly are not going to get much of that from this apartment. I myself, more than most was hoping Nina would realise just what a "God Given Gift" Kira is. To find someone with such adoration for you, to dote upon you and give you unfettered LOVE is rare indeed. To find it in someone so beautiful (and I think we can agree on that) is even rarer. I was hoping Nina would change, the tidying of the apartment, the washing and cleaning was a start, and the welcome home was warm. But as you say, 30 minutes later and we are back to square one. Kira has popped back to the apartment a few times this morning to go to the toilet and to make herself a drink, so she is not far away. The problem is she is now looking so sad, as she did before she went away, it does not bode well.

Now I know why they went straight to sleep at 02:00. Because at 04:00 they are getting out of bed. Kira has to dress Nina in PJ's to get her out of bed, which is rather sweet, but boy that girl is lazy. A quick breakfast and then dressed, Nina in a very tight and fetching black lycra catsuit., Mmmm. purr purr. Kira in old dungarees and a top. They take the big suitcase out of the closet into the hallway. Then put their coats on and away, only for Nina to return with some things about 10 minutes later. She then packs the big suitcase with the masks from the balloons, the paperwork they printed earlier and some of the things she just brought up. Then from the kitchen she gets the artwork she and DE made the other night, and puts that in too. Maybe they are going on a protest march or more than likely to an exhibition. Of she goes, no sign of Kira. 30 minutes later 05 :45 and Nina is back again with Doe Eyes in tow, both carrying coffees and DE is looking very smart and wearing a skirt. Still no sign of Kira. 10 minutes of drinking coffee and they are off again. So somewhat different behaviour, rather intriguing don't you think?

Yes you are right, I totally understand. In my opinion I think their days are numbered on RLC any way. The end of the year will probably see someone else settled in the apartment.

Yes I can understand your frustration at the lack of sexual action, but to be fair they were both very, very tired. Kira from her journey and Nina from her "all night party" or whatever. Then they had to catch up on some work, cloning sims and printing contracts it seems. Bathtime was just a soak and a chat, again disapointing for some, but there were some tender moments. Once into bed Nina fell into the same old routine, preferring the ipad and phone to Kira. Which is a shame. To be honest, if it was me I would not be able to keep my hands off Kira, and she could do whatever she wanted with me and I would not resist one little bit... Nina is made of colder stuff. First and foremost it has to be what she wants, her needs come first, and if she's too tired, then that's it. I, like veryone else was hoping for a much warmer homecoming. Though the main fact is Kira came home. Let us see what tomorrow brings.

I wonder if Nina is going to take them out on a delivery, or are they preparing for a party. Strange at this time of night 23:40 their time. There are a lot of ballons. About 15 - 20 minuntes ago, Kira took a long hard look at camera 4, must have been for 6 -7 seconds, I don't think she likes being under their scrutiny right now.

They arrived back and sat on the floor and unpacked Kira's suitcase. Lots of little presents for NIna inside. Smiles and laughter and Kira is always trying to kiss and cuddle Nina. Into the kitchen to put things away, and Kira picks up Nina who wraps her legs around Kira's waist. My, that girl is strong, she has a tremendous core and brilliant balance, it's rather lovely and a privilege to watch. Nina playing a bit hard to get now, reverting to type, Kira is persistent and grabbing as many kisses and hugs as she can. The ring is on her finger, so she either put it back on as soon as she returned or I was mistaken in her taking it off before she left. Either way, it is important that it is on her finger.

Yes it is beautiful, I like nothing better than to see her happy. They are getting ready to go out. Nina still in yesterdays clothes, and Kira just changed her top, so they cannot be going far.

They are now in the kitchen having a heart to heart talk it seems, lots of smiles and laughter. Touching and caressing each others hands. It's looking good folks.

Nina showed kira the wall in the bedroom where she has posted a lot of photo's, presumably as a tribute to Kira. They both look very happy with each other. Here's hoping it's all OK between them.

Absolutely. It is so funny the way it is sleeping right now. Once again Nina is on Kira's side of the bed, or maybe the cat got there first.

So Nina arrives back home at 16:00 or so. Still in exactly the same clothes as she went out in, therefore she's been nowhere where she could get changed. So partying all night then??? 17:15 and she's just collapsed onto the bed. Obviously trying to get some much needed sleep.

As has been mentioned on here before, it is plain and simple blind LOVE that Kira has for Nina. She adores her and worships the ground she walks on. You can see it in her eyes, those beautiful deep eyes, in her body language and most of all in the soft and gentle caresses that she gives to Nina at every opportunity. To the massaging of Nina's back most mornings, because of that terribly flimsy bed and mattress they have to sleep on, which is crippling both of them. Nina has the personallity that everyone around her loves, she is the centre of attention and knows this. Kira it seems will forgive her for everything just so long as she is thrown a crumb of affection now and again. Despite the constant rejections she recieves, to the playing second fiddle to NIna's phone she will always go back for more. That is until now. The cracks were there, and Kira has gone away for this vacation. Like you say "damned if you would put up with it". Now it seems no longer will Kira. The problem is and always will be the amount of Love that Kira has for Nina, it is irrational and at times overwhelming for her, but she just cannot help herself. I suspect that there are a few on here who know exactly how that feels...

Yes! She left around 6 hours ago all dressed up in another very sexy outfit. I guess if you are not the one paying the bills, then you do not care how much energy you are wasting. It is not unusual for Nina to come home after 04:00 lately.

OMG! Nina doing housework, I hope she does not break her nails. Seriously, I am pretty sure that Kira will return this Saturday. Probably by early evening is my reckoning. I can understand NIna cleaning up and preparing for her return, I think she is trying to make a good impression on Kira, which is a positive sign. Let us hope they have reconciled their problems. Now am I the only one, or has anyone else wondered what Kira has been getting up to on her vacation. We think of Nina as being the villain here, thinking that she would cheat at the first opportunity and as far as we know she did not, we only speculated. But what if Kira has been having the time of her life, playing around with anyone willing. She may not be "as white as the driven snow" that we think she is. Just a thought. So by tomorrow this time, we will probably know what the future holds for our beloved Nina and Kira. I for one pray that it is positive.

Ah! she has just rolled over a little, but straight back to sleep. Considering Kira has been away she's has not been too bad at getting up. Just late as usual, but then she is a night person.

Well that was different. They obviously know each other very well, but maybe her first visit. She was getting close to Nina on the couch, but only to see the items on the phone that Nina selected. As she left it was just a friendly hug, nothing special, and certainly not sexual in any way. Will we see her again? maybe lets wait and see.. Thanks Alokin for your insight, it is greatly appreciated.

Hiya. Well this is interesting, a new guest that no one seems to have seen before. A brazen one at that, waving to the camera. I guess no one will be bored tonight.

Thank you. That is very generous of you. The most important time will be this Saturday, probably in the early evening when I suspect Kira will return from her vacation. What happens in those first few hours of Kira's return could affect their whole lives, for good or bad. So it will be important for those of us that care about them, that we get good information. I hope beyond hope that they can resolve their issues and once again be happy with each other. Therefore any translation you can supply, however small and modest, will be invaluable.

Hiya. Sorry had to pop off and get some lunch. Yes, you are 100% correct in your observation that things are slowing down in this apartment. This is life, this is reality. When a relationship starts it is usually in a blaze of glory, everything is new it's excitement all around. You meet new people, you make new friends you have new adventures together, it's a voyage of discovery as the saying goes. Culminating as here, in a marriage, and it's all good. Then Reality bites. You have to make a living, you have to go to work, as Kira has done, you have less and less time together and when the day is done, you are completely knackered and something has to give. If you are in a fair marriage, then you both bear the strain and support each other, doing things that they are unable to do, or do not have the time for, the cooking, cleaning, washing etc. Sadly this is not a fair marriage. Kira bears the brunt of all the work, whilst Nina acts as the Diva and does nothing significant to help. Despite Kira's constant tiredness, she is often willing to enjoy Nina's body and love. But so so often she is rejected in favour of the ipad or the phone. Quite frankly I'm amazed she has put up with it for so long, but true love shines in her eyes and she constantly awaits any chance for romance she can take. Lately, as those of us that care have noticed, the cracks are beginning to show. The arguments more frequent and damaging to both of them. Culminating in this much needed vacation for Kira. Why she has gone alone is up for debate. I just hope that Nina realizes what she has to lose. Because you do not know what you have until it is gone. Then it's too late. So to re-cap, it's not smart of them, its real. Now as you speak their language then you have a valuable insight in to what they are saying. So help us understand, enlighten us. Are they play acting, because if they are, then they are damn good at it.

Hello Alokin, nice to have you back, we've missed you. Although I think it is a little unfair to attack someone straight away when clearly they are trying to help, but then helping is not in your nature I presume. I feel sorry for you that you get bored so easily, if there is anything I can do to help you, let me know.

Yes! I remember that topic. I think it's a myth that there is a second shower (just a moment whilst I put on my flameproof jacket) ah that's better. The floor plan we see is not to scale and the entrance hall is much wider, so the entrance to the bathroom is to the right by about 0.75m. The toilet cubicle is to the left of the doorway and not on plan. Therefore these are my reasonable assumptions about this. Firstly I doubt there is enough room for one. 2 when watching this area you can see them leaning against a wall or something opposite the toilet (though the lighting has to be perfect for this to be able to see it). 3 they have to step up into the toilet cubicle which makes me believe that the pipework for the toilet travels beneath their feet towards the back wall (they sometime sit on this step). This back wall more than likely surrounds a service duct for all the plumbing in the bathroom/building. 4 It is logical to assume the bathtub and wash basin drain into this corner too. 5 And the most pertinent, as we know DE is camera shy, always turns her back to camera or dresses and undresses in the corners. She is not part of the project and has no obligation to act "normal". With the exception of the Bathroom. If there was a shower cubicle off cam, she would without a doubt use it, not only to shower but get dressed. 6 The sound of water issue, for those of us that have lived in apartment buildings we know that sound travels down through the floor. You can always hear what's happening above because they are literally walking on your head. 7 Sound is magnified in a bathroom so you hear more from above, so if someone fills a bathtub then you can clearly hear it. 8 The mics within the cameras are more than likely cheap condenser mics that are prone to noise. To test this find a quiet room on rlc and turn up the volume, you will hear this hiss which is easily mistaken for running water. Ok folks that's my reasoning, now it's time to run and get the fire extinguisher out.