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16 minutes ago, golfer06 said:

not true. but you know that & run back to oppositeland & the comfort of dear leader's ass when confronted with reality.

Just more true blue fact based democratic ignorance at its best !!!

Governors and Mayors Failed to Protect Citizenry, Property and Jobs

“Don’t burn, please . . . Kids live upstairs.” The Wall Street Journal reports one Minneapolis resident spray painted the shops below the apartment where he and his family live. The downtown area of Minneapolis has been decimated by the riots while many shops still have not reopened. Residents told reporters they asked the local government about their plan to help them rebuild, but no answer has been forthcoming. Even more disturbing were the countless reports detailing residents’ calls for help during the riots when police failed to come.

Similarly, New York’s Fifth Avenue and Soho were destroyed by looters while police were either absent or simply stood by. Looters also ravaged shops in Los Angeles and Chicago. Not only major cities, but even smaller cities and towns were affected. Businesses in downtown Eugene were looted and burned, as were businesses in Indianapolis. In Seattle, the police abandoned their precinct while sections of the city were destroyed. While downtown Portland was being ravaged, Portland police were given orders that severely restricted their ability to respond.

Police and Mayors Stood by and Let Destruction Happen

Louisville police told reporters that they had been instructed to stand down during the riots. Baltimore police reported having received a similar stand-down order. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey publicly defended the stand-down order he gave to police. A 911 dispatcher in Columbus told a motorist who called seeking help after being surrounded by protesters that police would not be responding because they had been told to stand-down. When protesters seized a six-block area in downtown Seattle, far from defending the property and citizenry, Mayor Durkan allegedly referred to the zone as a perpetual block party and a “summer of love.”

The LA Times reported that some of the looting appeared to be coordinated. Looters seemed to be organized, driving to certain locations at opportune times to steal the best merchandise. New York City police commissioner Dermot Shea stated that he believed the looting of luxury stores appeared to be organized. Across the nation, 250 CVS pharmacies and 350 Walgreens, both of which housed drugs and controlled substances, were looted. The coordinated looting and drug theft were the sort of crime authorities should have responded to but, in many cases, they did not. Only in 21 states did governors call in the National Guard. New York City was one of the worst hit areas of the country and yet Governor Cuomo never activated the New York National Guard. In addition to the destruction of property, cities across the nation from Miami to Milwaukee are seeing violent crime rates and homicides steadily increase. New York reported 65 shootings and, in Chicago, 87 were reported during the first weekend of July. In America’s 25 largest cities, murder rates are up an average of 16.1%. The current riots have spread to 140 cities. Preliminary reports from Minneapolis estimate that 1,025 properties were damaged. In Cook county, including Chicago, it is estimated that 135 businesses were damaged. The Chicago mayor said she planned to invest tremendous effort to convince businesses to reopen while some large retailers, such as Walmart and Target, have already said they may not reopen all of their locations. 

The so-called Seattle “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone,” or CHAZ or CHOP, is one of the most glaring examples of damage done by rioters and of a mayor who failed to instruct the police to defend the city’s citizenry and property. Capitol Hill was home to an estimated 30,000 residents who owned or rented in the zone. Protesters moved in, looted nearly all of the shops, destroyed public infrastructure, and banned the police and emergency services from entering. Some reports claim that nearly 100% of the businesses in the zone were closed. The lawful residents of Capitol Hill reported repeatedly calling the police for help but that the police did not come. Amazon and other services refused to make deliveries into the zone, making it even harder for lawful residents to get food, medicine, and essentials.

In addition to the cost to families and individuals who lost their homes, businesses, and livelihood, cities were also faced with tremendous costs in destroyed infrastructure, police overtime, and equipment. Just to put this number in perspective, the City of Tucson, with a population of only about 500,000, estimated that in a single night of riots they spent $100,000 in police overtime. Multiply this by the number of cities and the number of nights of riots and the figure becomes staggering. In addition to police salaries, private and public entities will now be spending much more on private security. Chicago is planning to spend $1.2 million to hire private security firms to protect businesses.

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Just now, golfer06 said:
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Many of Trump’s supporters claim that he couldn’t possibly be guilty of inciting the attack on the U.S. Capitol building on Jan. 6, citing one of the following reasons: Others were already planning “something”...

 

Planning a civil war dumb ass and who has really been inciting this violence ? The Hate spewing left wing crazy's like these two trolls on this this thread.

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2 minutes ago, Thestarider said:

Just more true blue fact based democratic ignorance at its best !!!

Governors and Mayors Failed to Protect Citizenry, Property and Jobs

“Don’t burn, please . . . Kids live upstairs.” The Wall Street Journal reports one Minneapolis resident spray painted the shops below the apartment where he and his family live. The downtown area of Minneapolis has been decimated by the riots while many shops still have not reopened. Residents told reporters they asked the local government about their plan to help them rebuild, but no answer has been forthcoming. Even more disturbing were the countless reports detailing residents’ calls for help during the riots when police failed to come.

Similarly, New York’s Fifth Avenue and Soho were destroyed by looters while police were either absent or simply stood by. Looters also ravaged shops in Los Angeles and Chicago. Not only major cities, but even smaller cities and towns were affected. Businesses in downtown Eugene were looted and burned, as were businesses in Indianapolis. In Seattle, the police abandoned their precinct while sections of the city were destroyed. While downtown Portland was being ravaged, Portland police were given orders that severely restricted their ability to respond.

Police and Mayors Stood by and Let Destruction Happen

Louisville police told reporters that they had been instructed to stand down during the riots. Baltimore police reported having received a similar stand-down order. Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Frey publicly defended the stand-down order he gave to police. A 911 dispatcher in Columbus told a motorist who called seeking help after being surrounded by protesters that police would not be responding because they had been told to stand-down. When protesters seized a six-block area in downtown Seattle, far from defending the property and citizenry, Mayor Durkan allegedly referred to the zone as a perpetual block party and a “summer of love.”

The LA Times reported that some of the looting appeared to be coordinated. Looters seemed to be organized, driving to certain locations at opportune times to steal the best merchandise. New York City police commissioner Dermot Shea stated that he believed the looting of luxury stores appeared to be organized. Across the nation, 250 CVS pharmacies and 350 Walgreens, both of which housed drugs and controlled substances, were looted. The coordinated looting and drug theft were the sort of crime authorities should have responded to but, in many cases, they did not. Only in 21 states did governors call in the National Guard. New York City was one of the worst hit areas of the country and yet Governor Cuomo never activated the New York National Guard. In addition to the destruction of property, cities across the nation from Miami to Milwaukee are seeing violent crime rates and homicides steadily increase. New York reported 65 shootings and, in Chicago, 87 were reported during the first weekend of July. In America’s 25 largest cities, murder rates are up an average of 16.1%. The current riots have spread to 140 cities. Preliminary reports from Minneapolis estimate that 1,025 properties were damaged. In Cook county, including Chicago, it is estimated that 135 businesses were damaged. The Chicago mayor said she planned to invest tremendous effort to convince businesses to reopen while some large retailers, such as Walmart and Target, have already said they may not reopen all of their locations. 

The so-called Seattle “Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone,” or CHAZ or CHOP, is one of the most glaring examples of damage done by rioters and of a mayor who failed to instruct the police to defend the city’s citizenry and property. Capitol Hill was home to an estimated 30,000 residents who owned or rented in the zone. Protesters moved in, looted nearly all of the shops, destroyed public infrastructure, and banned the police and emergency services from entering. Some reports claim that nearly 100% of the businesses in the zone were closed. The lawful residents of Capitol Hill reported repeatedly calling the police for help but that the police did not come. Amazon and other services refused to make deliveries into the zone, making it even harder for lawful residents to get food, medicine, and essentials.

In addition to the cost to families and individuals who lost their homes, businesses, and livelihood, cities were also faced with tremendous costs in destroyed infrastructure, police overtime, and equipment. Just to put this number in perspective, the City of Tucson, with a population of only about 500,000, estimated that in a single night of riots they spent $100,000 in police overtime. Multiply this by the number of cities and the number of nights of riots and the figure becomes staggering. In addition to police salaries, private and public entities will now be spending much more on private security. Chicago is planning to spend $1.2 million to hire private security firms to protect businesses.

along with your endless load of crap show me how to solve the problems that caused these actions? simply blaming others & complaining won't cut it.

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Just now, Thestarider said:

Planning a civil war dumb ass and who has really been inciting this violence ? The Hate spewing left wing crazy's like these two trolls on this this thread.

wrong again as usual. go back up dear leader's ass with ridge & the rest of the cult where you belong.

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1 minute ago, golfer06 said:

along with your endless load of crap show me how to solve the problems that caused these actions? simply blaming others & complaining won't cut it.

SAYS YOU WHO BLAMES EVERYTHING ON A ONE TERM PRESIDENT ? These problems have been brewing for years and long before this last president. A civil war is brewing, and there is no way this current administration will do anything to stop it, matter of fact they are making much worse in just a few weeks.

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Everyone deserves a legal defense, even if in this case, all that will be advanced is a Big Lie about election fraud, and the supermajority “jury” result will be denied by 45 GOP senators.  David Schoen represented...

 

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1 minute ago, Thestarider said:

SAYS YOU WHO BLAMES EVERYTHING ON A ONE TERM PRESIDENT ? These problems have been brewing for years and long before this last president. A civil war is brewing, and there is no way this current administration will do anything to stop it, matter of fact they are making much worse in just a few weeks.

dilohead did not start the problems. he simply made them much worse. he also managed to somehow brainwash a lot of people including you. the current administration could not possibly be worse than your hero's! now go back to your orange ass home & stop embarrassing yourself.

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1 minute ago, golfer06 said:

dilohead did not start the problems. he simply made them much worse. he also managed to somehow brainwash a lot of people including you. the current administration could not possibly be worse than your hero's! now go back to your orange ass home & stop embarrassing yourself.

Wow now you see how real trolls operate on the internet ? I am not embarrassing myself. I am not brainwashed.  I see with both eyes wide open. I do not have to make my political points with insults like you and your troll brothers do. So I would ask you who is really inciting the violence ? The left or the right ?

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10 minutes ago, golfer06 said:

dilohead did not start the problems. he simply made them much worse. he also managed to somehow brainwash a lot of people including you. the current administration could not possibly be worse than your hero's! now go back to your orange ass home & stop embarrassing yourself.

Who Is Guilty of Inciting Riots?

In the wake of the storming of the Capitol, many are blaming President Trump for the violence. Of course, he never instructed anyone to engage in violence. Nevertheless, his critics argue that he stoked people's passions, which he did, and can therefore be held accountable. 

If this is the standard—inflammatory rhetoric—then Trump's critics are at best ethically compromised. Consider the following remarks, made by the kind of people who are now hammering the president.

  • "I need you to get out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face." Presidential candidate Barack Obama, 2008

  • "When they go low, we kick 'em. That's what this new Democratic Party is about." Former Attorney General Eric Holder, 2018

  • "Let's make sure we show up wherever we have to show up. And if you see anybody from that [Trump] Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and create a crowd. And you push back on them. And you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere." Rep. Maxine Waters, 2018

  • "Please, get up in the face of some congresspeople." Sen. Cory Booker, 2020

  • "People will do what they do." House Speaker Nancy Pelosi commenting on violent protesters, 2020

  • "You know, there needs to be unrest in the streets for as long as there is unrest in our lives, and unfortunately there is plenty to go around." Rep. Ayanna Pressley, 2020

  • "They're [left-wing protesters] not gonna stop before Election Day in November and they're not gonna stop after Election Day. And that should be—everyone should take note of that on both levels, that this isn't, they're not gonna let up and they should not. And we should not." Sen. Kamala Harris, 2020

  • "And please, show me where it says protesters are supposed to be polite and peaceful." CNN host Chris Cuomo, 2020

  • "When you see a nation, an entire nation, simultaneously grappling with an extraordinary crisis seeded in 400 years of American racism, I'm sorry, that is not the same question as the understandably aggrieved store owner or the devout religious person who wants to go back to services." New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio justifying illegal street protests that violated social distancing norms while he restricted church services, 2020

  • "I can't imagine what it would look like if we said to people, 'Actually, you have to stay in. You have to ignore systemic racism—I'm sorry, just ignore it. Stay in.'" New Jersey Gov. Phil Murphy justifying illegal street protests that violated social distancing norms while restricting church services, 2020

  • "As public health advocates, we do not condemn these gatherings as risky for COVID-19 transmission. We support them as vital to the national public health and to the threatened health specifically of black people in the United States." Twelve-hundred health and medical colleagues justifying illegal street protests that violated social distancing norms, 2020

  • "Destroying property, which can be replaced, is not violence." Nikole Hannah-Jones, New York Times journalist, 2020

  • "We don't have to finger-wag at protesters about property. That can be rebuilt." David Remnick, New Yorker journalist

  • "The notion that nonviolence is tactically more effective...has not only been proven wrong over the past week by sheer numbers; it cannot be historically supported." R.H. Lossin, Ph.D., The Nation magazine, 2020

  • "A siege [of the White House] only works if it is sustained. We witnessed this—the multiplying power of a strategic occupation—nine years ago. You dig in, hold your ground, and the tension accumulates, amplifies, goes global." Adbusters, the group that started Occupy Wall Street, 2020Many more examples could be given. In fairness, these comments, while incendiary, are not direct calls for violence. But it is also true that nothing Trump said was a direct call for violence either. 

    Left-wing commentators and activists (pretty much the same these days) have no moral authority to lecture the rest of us about violence committed by right-wing protesters. They nurtured a climate of violence over the past year by giving Antifa and Black Lives Matter their blessings. 

    If they were principled, they would do as the Catholic League does and condemn violent protesters regardless of their cause. But they are not.

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9 minutes ago, Thestarider said:

Wow now you see how real trolls operate on the internet ? I am not embarrassing myself. I am not brainwashed.  I see with both eyes wide open. I do not have to make my political points with insults like you and your troll brothers do. So I would ask you who is really inciting the violence ? The left or the right ?

you listen to dear leader & qanon type bullshit with no regard for truth.  you continue to embarrass yourself with every post. you are an idiot.

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