gun?

[Aubrey]

Good stuff Aubrey, no fact or substance, ignore the facts, resort to childish insults. Rest my case.

What? You're the jumped up little goon who started throwing out insults like asshole, prick, insulting Britain and France. Just like a snotty nosed little bitch you can dish it out but you can't take it back. Nothing I've written is in fact false, pretty much everything you have written is just an insult or is in fact false.

You never had a case to begin with Keyboard Warrior, or should I say Princess, so I suggest you go rest your head, your brain needs it mate.

[misha9999]

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[Ozi]

Good stuff Aubrey, no fact or substance, ignore the facts, resort to childish insults. Rest my case.

What? You're the jumped up little goon who started throwing out insults like asshole, prick, insulting Britain and France. Just like a snotty nosed little bitch you can dish it out but you can't take it back. Nothing I've written is in fact false, pretty much everything you have written is just an insult or is in fact false.

You never had a case to begin with Keyboard Warrior, or should I say Princess, so I suggest you go rest your head, your brain needs it mate.

No, your right, I can't compete with Keyboard Warrior and Princess. Wouldn't know how to respond to something so sharp and scathing, so I give up, you win. (That'll teach me to debate with the intellectually handicapped.) Over and out.

[Aubrey]

Good stuff Aubrey, no fact or substance, ignore the facts, resort to childish insults. Rest my case.

What? You're the jumped up little goon who started throwing out insults like asshole, prick, insulting Britain and France. Just like a snotty nosed little bitch you can dish it out but you can't take it back. Nothing I've written is in fact false, pretty much everything you have written is just an insult or is in fact false.

You never had a case to begin with Keyboard Warrior, or should I say Princess, so I suggest you go rest your head, your brain needs it mate.

No, your right, I can't compete with Keyboard Warrior and Princess. Wouldn't know how to respond to something so sharp and scathing, so I give up, you win. (That'll teach me to debate with the intellectually handicapped.) Over and out.

See ya.

[Ozi]

"A French 50 times less likely to be killed by gun an American, if you believe the statistics of the United Nations Office against Drugs and Crime.

Homicide by firearm speak for themselves. In the United States, they were 9,149 in 2011, or 2.97 per 100,000. In France, the same year there were 35 cases, or 0.06 per 100,000"...

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Don't doubt that figure, but from the other perspective, murders account for 1 in 100,000 in France compared to slightly under 5 per 100,000 in America. That's not a multiple of 50 so the French are still finding ways to kill people but, just like the Russians, they are finding other weapons to do it. What's the likelihood of stabbings or being beaten to death?

All the figures prove is that if people want to murder people they will find a way. They also show that there isn't a single solution for everyone, countries that have high gun ownership with low murder rates prove this.

You also have to consider, the amount of violence occurring in countries like America at the moment, those murder rates could be much worse if the population wasn't armed.

Given the choice, I'll err on the side of caution and keep my guns.

[Aubrey]

And hope that you're faster to the draw then the punk that tries to mug you, he will most likely also be armed due to easy access to guns.  It's just like the Wild West, that isn't progress.

The US murder rate per 100,000 is 14,000 odd,  Russia, 13,000 odd.  Those figures are crazy. 14 people in every 100 were  murdered in 2012.  In France it is 600 odd, 600 odd in Britain too. 0.6 in every 100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Where are guns freely available? Russia and the US. There is a direct correlation here that says a culture that embraces guns and makes them available to ordinary citizens has a higher murder rate.  Why?  Because the punks that mug you think you've probably got a gun to protect yourself, so they naturally want to stab, brain, strangle or shoot you before you have a chance to use it.

[Aubrey]

And hope that you're faster to the draw then the punk that tries to mug you, he will most likely also be armed due to easy access to guns.  It's just like the Wild West, that isn't progress.

The US murder rate per 100,000 is 14,000 odd,  Russia, 13,000 odd.  Those figures are crazy. 14 people in every 100 were  murdered in 2012.  In France it is 600 odd, 600 odd in Britain too. 0.6 in every 100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Where are guns freely available? Russia and the US. There is a direct correlation here that says a culture that embraces guns and makes them available to ordinary citizens has a higher murder rate.  Why?  Because the punks that mug you think you've probably got a gun to protect yourself, so they naturally want to stab, brain, strangle or shoot you before you have a chance to use it.

Fuck that, that's me reading wikipedia incorrectly. that's the sum total for that year!! I couldn't see how 14% of Americans are murdered each year could be right!!

But here is the total number of reported gun homicide deaths in the US, 2012 8,896.

Of 14,000 murders, 9,000 were the result of a gun used as the weapon.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

[Ozi]

And hope that you're faster to the draw then the punk that tries to mug you, he will most likely also be armed due to easy access to guns.  It's just like the Wild West, that isn't progress.

The US murder rate per 100,000 is 14,000 odd,  Russia, 13,000 odd.  Those figures are crazy. 14 people in every 100 were  murdered in 2012.  In France it is 600 odd, 600 odd in Britain too. 0.6 in every 100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Where are guns freely available? Russia and the US. There is a direct correlation here that says a culture that embraces guns and makes them available to ordinary citizens has a higher murder rate.  Why?  Because the punks that mug you think you've probably got a gun to protect yourself, so they naturally want to stab, brain, strangle or shoot you before you have a chance to use it.

Mate, I told you should keep your head shoved up your arse because every time you come up for air, you show your ignorance.

Using your reference Wikipedia, it states that 14,173 people were murdered in the United States in 2012, which represents 4.8 per every 100,000. In France it was 665 in 2012, which equates to 1 per every 100,000.

As for the Russian / American comparison, its states that Russia had three times the murder rate as America even with some of the strictest gun controls possible. Three times as many people died in a country that had no guns compared to America that probably has at least one weapon for every man, woman and child.

[Aubrey]

Keep up Princess.

[Ozi]

And hope that you're faster to the draw then the punk that tries to mug you, he will most likely also be armed due to easy access to guns.  It's just like the Wild West, that isn't progress.

The US murder rate per 100,000 is 14,000 odd,  Russia, 13,000 odd.  Those figures are crazy. 14 people in every 100 were  murdered in 2012.  In France it is 600 odd, 600 odd in Britain too. 0.6 in every 100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Where are guns freely available? Russia and the US. There is a direct correlation here that says a culture that embraces guns and makes them available to ordinary citizens has a higher murder rate.  Why?  Because the punks that mug you think you've probably got a gun to protect yourself, so they naturally want to stab, brain, strangle or shoot you before you have a chance to use it.

Fuck that, that's me reading wikipedia incorrectly. that's the sum total for that year!! I couldn't see how 14% of Americans are murdered each year could be right!!

But here is the total number of reported gun homicide deaths in the US, 2012 8,896.

Of 14,000 murders, 9,000 were the result of a gun used as the weapon.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

So in Russia, they had three times the murder rate as America when the comparison was done. So based on that equation, of a possible 20,535  murders, none of them were committed with a gun.

[Aubrey]

And hope that you're faster to the draw then the punk that tries to mug you, he will most likely also be armed due to easy access to guns.  It's just like the Wild West, that isn't progress.

The US murder rate per 100,000 is 14,000 odd,  Russia, 13,000 odd.  Those figures are crazy. 14 people in every 100 were  murdered in 2012.  In France it is 600 odd, 600 odd in Britain too. 0.6 in every 100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Where are guns freely available? Russia and the US. There is a direct correlation here that says a culture that embraces guns and makes them available to ordinary citizens has a higher murder rate.  Why?  Because the punks that mug you think you've probably got a gun to protect yourself, so they naturally want to stab, brain, strangle or shoot you before you have a chance to use it.

Fuck that, that's me reading wikipedia incorrectly. that's the sum total for that year!! I couldn't see how 14% of Americans are murdered each year could be right!!

But here is the total number of reported gun homicide deaths in the US, 2012 8,896.

Of 14,000 murders, 9,000 were the result of a gun used as the weapon.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

So in Russia, they had three times the murder rate as America when the comparison was done. So based on that equation, of a possible 20,535  murders, none of them were committed with a gun.

I put the other country's figures for an idea of what's happening in some other countries.  I choose countries that are players on the world stage, that meant leaving out Australia mate. 

Your repeated attempts to sidestep the figures that don't support your confirmation biased warped thinking are pathetic. As is your juvenile attempt at fudging the figures. 3 time the total murder rate in Russia compared to America's gun only murder rate???  Nice try Princess.

But here is the total number of reported gun homicide deaths in the US, 2012 8,896.

Of 14,000 murders, 9,000 were the result of a gun used as the weapon.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

[Ozi]

And hope that you're faster to the draw then the punk that tries to mug you, he will most likely also be armed due to easy access to guns.  It's just like the Wild West, that isn't progress.

The US murder rate per 100,000 is 14,000 odd,  Russia, 13,000 odd.  Those figures are crazy. 14 people in every 100 were  murdered in 2012.  In France it is 600 odd, 600 odd in Britain too. 0.6 in every 100.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Where are guns freely available? Russia and the US. There is a direct correlation here that says a culture that embraces guns and makes them available to ordinary citizens has a higher murder rate.  Why?  Because the punks that mug you think you've probably got a gun to protect yourself, so they naturally want to stab, brain, strangle or shoot you before you have a chance to use it.

Fuck that, that's me reading wikipedia incorrectly. that's the sum total for that year!! I couldn't see how 14% of Americans are murdered each year could be right!!

But here is the total number of reported gun homicide deaths in the US, 2012 8,896.

Of 14,000 murders, 9,000 were the result of a gun used as the weapon.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

So in Russia, they had three times the murder rate as America when the comparison was done. So based on that equation, of a possible 20,535  murders, none of them were committed with a gun.

I put the other country's figures for an idea of what's happening in some other countries.  I choose countries that are players on the world stage, that meant leaving out Australia mate. 

Your repeated attempts to sidestep the figures that don't support your confirmation biased warped thinking are pathetic. As is your juvenile attempt at fudging the figures. 3 time the total murder rate in Russia compared to America's gun only murder rate???  Nice try Princess.

But here is the total number of reported gun homicide deaths in the US, 2012 8,896.

Of 14,000 murders, 9,000 were the result of a gun used as the weapon.

http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states

Mate, you've come up for air again haven't you. It's not 3 times the American count, actual murders or gun murders. It's based on the rate per 100,000. So it becomes 3 times the comparison rate, based on the period the comparisons were made. I'm not going to give you a maths lesson.

I kept it to the lowest year and very conservative as the figure is greater than that, but at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter. The fact is whether there were 20,000 or 30,000 or 50,000 deaths  none of them were murdered with a gun.

As for choosing countries on the world stage so leaving out Australia, I didn't even quote figures from Australia, I used Russia. Russia is not a key player on the world stage?

Also, if you could actually understand my post, I stated that all the figures proved was there was no correlation between owning or not owning guns and no simple fix that works for everyone. Some countries with guns had high murder rates and some had very low. Whereas the opposite was also applicable. Due you need a lesson in English as well, or is it my Australian accent that confuses you?