Maturin Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Totally agree BBsq69. Especially regarding the Saudis. People here are so desperate to look for bad guys, this regime is pretty much the catalyst for everything, yet they don't mention them. Right wing media, serving defence contractors, oil companies and the like, do not provide this information to right wing disciples however because they don’t want to harm the lucrative relationship with the Saudi "Royal" family. So nothing is ever done or mentioned at international level or on Faux News regarding their crimes. Back to the refugee crisis. There is a place called Mina, in Saudi Arabia. It is a global place of pilgrimage for some Muslim festival or other. 4 million Muslims descend on this place for 4 days a year, do their religious shit then fuck off home again. There are thousands upon thousands of air-conditioned tents with plumbed water supplies and excellent facilities standing empty for 361 days a year. Right now there is space for 4 MILLION Syrian refugees, to live in relative luxury compared to what they are facing now, yet the Saudis have taken ZERO refugees, in a country that shares their culture and language this is reprehensible. Non of our right wings friends on this board even knew such a place existed, because their glorious leaders and duplicitous mouth pieces do not want to upset the Saudis so you won't find that mentioned on Faux News. Article On Mina, Saudi Arabia - Entertainment Piece Not Connected to the Crisis http://www.amusingplanet.com/2014/08/mina-city-of-tents.html I don't know the political leanings of this outlet, however a Google search will show you other sources http://www.globalresearch.ca/saudi-arabia-takes-zero-refugees-despite-having-100000-tents-able-to-house-3-million-people/5475650 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonpied Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Totally agree BBsq69. Especially regarding the Saudis. People here are so desperate to look for bad guys, this regime is pretty much the catalyst for everything, yet they don't mention them. Right wing media, serving defence contractors, oil companies and the like, do not provide this information to right wing disciples however because they don’t want to harm the lucrative relationship with the Saudi "Royal" family. So nothing is ever done or mentioned at international level or on Faux News regarding their crimes. Back to the refugee crisis. There is a place called Mina, in Saudi Arabia. It is a global place of pilgrimage for some Muslim festival or other. 4 million Muslims descend on this place for 4 days a year, do their religious shit then fuck off home again. There are thousands upon thousands of air-conditioned tents with plumbed water supplies and excellent facilities standing empty for 361 days a year. Right now there is space for 4 MILLION Syrian refugees, to live in relative luxury compared to what they are facing now, yet the Saudis have taken ZERO refugees, in a country that shares their culture and language this is reprehensible. Non of our right wings friends on this board even knew such a place existed, because their glorious leaders and duplicitous mouth pieces do not want to upset the Saudis so you won't find that mentioned on Faux News. Article On Mina, Saudi Arabia - Entertainment Piece Not Connected to the Crisis http://www.amusingplanet.com/2014/08/mina-city-of-tents.html I don't know the political leanings of this outlet, however a Google search will show you other sources http://www.globalresearch.ca/saudi-arabia-takes-zero-refugees-despite-having-100000-tents-able-to-house-3-million-people/5475650 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Please do post more pictures of children that have been recruited into ISIS - they are children so it can hardly be deemed that they have a choice in the matter. Care to explain why you chose to use the picture as a reply to my information that the Saudis could deal with the refugee crisis at a stroke? Resize your illuminating pictures so they fit the effing page however. It's now a scroll mess after the second post, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozi Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 The USA policy is the cause of terrorism and war in midlle east!!! Here we go again, another middle east expert. Great statement, based on what? (Hint - cut and paste some mind blowing facts from maturin). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Here we go again, another middle east expert. Great statement, based on what? (Hint - cut and paste some mind blowing facts from maturin). Read them or not. I don't take you seriously anyway, and if you don't read them then I'll have verifiable justification that your comments are not worthy of discussion. It's a lose-lose for you Ozi and you've done it to yourself. See you on the "I hwate Maturine" thread I guess... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoGunne Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Non of our right wings friends on this board even knew such a place existed, because their glorious leaders and duplicitous mouth pieces do not want to upset the Saudis so you won't find that mentioned on Faux News. I've known about this place for quite some time, but I don't have a problem with Saudi Arabia's decision to not take in the refugees. Seems to me the Saudis are being pretty smart by keeping millions of people who don't care about their own country from coming in to not care about Saudi Arabia. The EU could probably learn a lesson or two from the Saudis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 I've known about this place for quite some time, but I don't have a problem with Saudi Arabia's decision to not take in the refugees. Seems to me the Saudis are being pretty smart by keeping millions of people who don't care about their own country from coming in to not care about Saudi Arabia. The EU could probably learn a lesson or two from the Saudis. So we go right back to the beginning. You see how circular you sound? In that case, what makes you so much better than them? It's certainly not the moral lowground you've bunkered yourself under. Defending Saudi Arabia, heard it all now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoGunne Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 So we go right back to the beginning. You see how circular you sound? In that case, what makes you so much better than them? It's certainly not the moral lowground you've bunkered yourself under. Defending Saudi Arabia, heard it all now!! ??? Who do you think I am so much better than? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 ??? Who do you think I am so much better than? The EU can do whatever they want...I don't really care. I mean, if they want the burden of tens of thousands of people straining their social and financial infrastructure...have at it. For the US, I don't think we should let any in our country...for the following reasons: 1. Security. I just don't trust that we can detect possible terrorists. 2. I'm sick and tired of people who have a hard time in their own country abandoning it, thinking they should be welcome in my country. Why would they care about my country if they don't care about their own? 3. I question whether they are really "refugees" from the civil unrest in Syria. Most of those going to the EU countries are not coming from Syria...they actually already left Syria and are coming from Turkey. They are trying to get to the EU because they'd rather live in a richer country. In my opinion, that makes them worse than our own illegal aliens because they are lying to get into the US. Looks like I'm getting the hang of this quoting business, huh. You can’t pass any of the above off as reasoned and informed points of view. You simply don't want different people messing up the status quo. This is what shows that you think you're better than them. Well done indeed for being better than refugees, who have only the clothes on their backs - oh and smartphones seeing as Syria was a reasonably prosperous country before it went tits up. I commend you for stating an opinion and confusing that with the truth! "LOL" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoGunne Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Looks like I'm getting the hang of this quoting business, huh. You can’t pass any of the above off as reasoned and informed points of view. You simply don't want different people messing up the status quo. This is what shows that you think you're better than them. Well done indeed for being better than refugees, who have only the clothes on their backs - oh and smartphones seeing as Syria was a reasonably prosperous country before it went tits up. I commend you for stating an opinion and confusing that with the truth! "LOL" Truth?? Ummm...let me clue you in, dude...when I say, "I think", I am expressing an opinion. I normally follow that up with an explanation of what informs my opinion. And that is all I did in that post that you quoted. Now...you are certainly free to disagree with my opinion and my explanation. Frankly, I don't care if you agree or not. But when you assign opinions and attitudes to me that I have not expressed, such as, "You simply don't want different people messing up the status quo." or "you think you're better than them", you are simply lying. If you want to keep doing that, then we have nothing to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Truth?? Ummm...let me clue you in, dude...when I say, "I think", I am expressing an opinion. I normally follow that up with an explanation of what informs my opinion. And that is all I did in that post that you quoted. Now...you are certainly free to disagree with my opinion and my explanation. Frankly, I don't care if you agree or not. But when you assign opinions and attitudes to me that I have not expressed, such as, "You simply don't want different people messing up the status quo." or "you think you're better than them", you are simply lying. If you want to keep doing that, then we have nothing to talk about. Sure thing, I'll take what you said on board, thanks for the advice: I think you simply don't want different people messing up the status quo. I think that the above quote shows that you think you're better than them. I know and have proved (whether you choose to read that proof or not) that your protestations and opinions are groundless, that they are not based upon evidence and this leads me to think that you haven't thought about your opinions to a standard necessary to back them up with a convincing counter-argument. You are of course free to think and say what you like. Whilst I respect your right to an opinion, I don't think I have to respect the content of the fact-free opinions that you think are sustaining this discussion. Don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 I find it remarkable that the slightest tardiness in my phrasing (missing think) immediately gets me called a liar, the guy that's only been referencing facts - yet, the guy who said whatever it was; Muslims ate my local butcher and stole my niece's Christmas, the Muslims are pissing on my ego as I type this etc etc*, no one bats an eyelid to that! I even generously agreed to give him the benefit of the doubt! LOL* We can leave this here as it's going nowhere. I never thought for a moment that any of you would take the time to see the argument from the other side or to read any of the evidence I posted. Again, I tell you it would do you all a favour to at least consider what you're opponents are talking about, read the evidence, instead of just writing them off under whatever the first lazy pejorative is that springs to mind - as you have seen a person with a grasp of both sides of the argument and evidence on his side is pretty unassailable. It also wouldn't hurt you to step outside the closed ideology echo-chamber of Camcaps and do what I've just done, but for your "team". Find some site full of those monstrous socialists and try to argue your case when everyone is against you - I guarantee that it will make you better people!!!! :D Thank you Comrades* *I'll leave out the(") that we've agreed will signify irony/satire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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