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Excuse me Pepe, I know this is yours.....Slipper, he was not having a go at you mate, he was refering to me in a general way......I think ! 😹🙀

Perhaps you are right, perhaps it takes time for us all to learn certain things, irrespective of where we come from..

I was in no way criticising you Slipper, I was merely picking up on what I thought could possibly be the reason it stopped...Perhaps I should not have attached my post to yours but made a seperate one...My apologies if you though I was attributing any blame on yourself..

Naturally people were dissapointed, but perhaps it was a question of what came first? Did the two girls stop before the criticism of the situation, or did the criticism accelerate the process of stopping it? I personally think the latter. We are talking about a matter of days, in the whole scheme of things its not much time at all to determine whether their actions are permanent, or whether it was a counter protest from them saying to us " Shut the fuck up, we are making the best of the situation we find ourselves in, If you don't like it we won't give you it " The past week or so has been flled with claims and counter claims, argument's and counter argument's, opinions and insults both to other members on the forum or more importantly directed mostly at Leora...Who on standing back and trying to make sense of it all, has been the victim of much unwarranted abuse from some of us who should know better. I include myself among those guilty of " overstepping " the mark and believe it was tantamount to bullying... She is a human being just like us all, with genuine feelings, not a slab of meat... Perhaps we should be more aware of that in the future before we are so venomous with our remarks. Because although it wouldn't bother a minority, Should our constant criticism drive her out of RLC, the great majority of people would be devastated.....In eleven days time it will be the anniversary of her being shut down in Russia, remember how you all felt then, and then remember how you felt when she reappeared in this apartment two months later...Although she could have planned it better.....She was on her period..lol 🙀😹😹🙃 Be nice people !! 🙃

There are several “IF’s” to take into consideration...1: If she has indeed met a new friend and it is a male, it doesn’t necessarily follow that he is her new “ boyfriend “...Merely a friend who happens to be a male.Who knows, he may in time become her “boyfriend “ but conversely it might not develop into any more than it is..How many people on here took their new friends home to meet the family in the first couple of weeks ? 2: If she has met a guy and it develops, and she feels she can trust him, and wants to invite him back to her apartment, she is no doubt morally and possibly legally duty bound to inform him that every move he makes is being filmed and watched in realtime by thousands of voyeurs..Therefor the timing and confidence in the relationship has to be right....The prospect of being on show to thousands may Very well terrify a great many men... As for the pseudo lesbian sex, Because of the situation of Leora now having a house guest, her normal freedom of expression has been seriously affected inasmuch as she only has the bedroom to express herself in..If she sat in the living room knitting or talking we would all complain there was no action..If she went out too often we would all complain that she was never at home....So they creat a scenario perhaps of giving us something more interesting to watch.....If we think that it is going to be full blown lesbian sexual relationships then that is in our mind, and it’s our mind that demands more and more from her...She never implied that it would be.....She can’t control our thinking.... So we don’t get what we demand and say we are being cheated, She goes out, we are being cheated, She stays indoors and does nothing, we are being cheated....and because we feel aggrieved about it we start getting into personal remarks about her, and trying to verbally bully her.....We haven’t been fair with her. If we enjoy watching what she has given us for many years, give her the chance to give it to us, she has never let us down, and I don’t believe she will now...

But some off the material posted has become very personal....That's the problem !

I try to say it as I see it. I'm by any standard not always right, but if I am wrong I have no problem admitting it.....My personal treatment of Leora has not been as kind as it could have been.

And in private lives people go out socialising ....That's what she is doing.

I am perfectly fine with what transpired on Saturday, naturally I was disappointed at not seeing Leora, but it wasn't the end of the world to me. I watched parts of it on Replay, mainly because Malia really doesn't do it for me, although that does not make her a bad person, just personal choice. You, me, uncle Tom Cobly, nobody apart from Leora and Malia know what the arrangements regarding that guy was....but people have put thier own spin on it to suit thier own conspiracies' .... As for Leora going out....There is nothing in her contract I wouldn't imagine that states that she has to be in the house 24/7 365 days of the year, to perform our wishes as we want.. She is entitled to some freedom, and to meet people...And what if she has met a guy? She can have a friend who is male, without him being her boyfriend and certainly doesn't imply they are shagging....But even if they were, what is it to do with us......NOTHING!! She's not a child, and is entitled to her space and her life outside of the apartment.....Thats my opinion.

What a sad bunch a perverts we have all become. Step back and look at ourselves...We are supposed to be grown men who in some cases hold or have held responsible position's in society. We, many of us at least have watched this girl blossom from a shy pretty youngster into a beautiful woman, who has by and large given the majority of us a huge amount of pleasure over the seven years we have known her...and during that time she has rode the blows both small and large that have been rained at her by various factions, including me sometimes on this forum, and life in general, and survived to become a strong independent person in her own right. As happens in many situations in life, we build people up only to slam them down when it suit's...I personally have had times when I have been dissatisfied with the way I perceived Leora was heading and made it known, not deliberately to hurt her as an individual personally, but to express what I thought was a valid point of view....Ignorant to the fact that as much as people like Leora shake the criticism off and say it doesn't bother them, it does eventually wear them down. I think that there are a combination of events that have occured in her life recently that have come together like a " Perfect Storm " filling her with anxiety, fear, bewilderment, happiness and great sadness...And we, the people who are supposed to appreciate her have sat back and watched her flounder , whilst making up stories and putting our own interpretations to facts that NONE of us apart from Leora are fully aware of. To suit ourselves we have turned her from victim to villain by the touch of a PC keyboard....The maxim of " live and let live " has been discarded because we though we owned her....We don't !! Give her a break guys, back off and give her breathing space...None of us know what she is going through, all we have done is form an opinion from little scraps of nebulous information and turned it on her....Without any consideration for her feelings..........It's beginning to take on the form of bullying....Not nice, clever or desirable ..

You dastardly code cracker !! Be sure you will get your comeuppance in the next episode ....

Nicely put Scouse !!😸

And we're not ???? 😹

Was all this torture and gratuitous violence inflicted on her before they started water boarding her or after? A night out in the nightclubs of Kabul can be quite challenging for a girl nowadays, perhaps next time she should force Malia to take her place and take one for the team....After all it's what Leora does so it seems by reading some post's on here....And after all, what are friends for unless you can use and abuse them.🙀😹

Sorry to disagree with you Joe...But to quote an old English colloquialism “ What a load of old bollocks “ RLC would not get involved because to their minds she has done no wrong.. Perhaps she’s not a scolded child, perhaps she has feelings like all of us and is tired of OUR...and I say OUR constant abuse...Personally, I can’t blame her. Perhaps she has scrutinised us like we do her, and she doesn’t like what she see’s, perhaps she thinks we are not worth the effort, just as we think she might not be worth the money.....And sometimes I have to ask myself the same question..

I am blaming no-one . If you read my post correctly you would see that I stated it was an hypothesis .

There was nothing to refute, my post stated at the time that until it was proven then it was merely conjecture....If since my original post it has been substantiated by a reputable source then it would no longer be conjecture but proven fact. And should that be the case, then good luck to her, I hope he's a nice guy. 😸

It wasn't a contradictory argument, it was a question...What about if Malia.....not Malia did !

Off what?

Some of us said at the time that we didn't believe conjecture until it was proven, which is fair enough where I come from...As for the rest of your post....What about if Mailia had asked the guy who came on Saturday to visit, and not Leora? And why wouldn't she want to talk in private on the phone sometimes...That's not unreasonable. It's no good trying to find and fit misdemeanors to something that is perfectly acceptable to many people. I respect your right to your opinion, but don't agree with it at all.

There have been times in the past she has gone three weeks without " performing " but people were more forgiving then and not quite so demanding...Perhaps because she did more in those days...But with a house guest she is limited in her options.....And before anyone mentions the girl on girl in the bedroom....I dont believe Leora was really comfortable with it, but I believe that Malia was, and it takes two to tango.😸

I have been as irritated and annoyed as anyone about not seeing her, but in the cold light of day, she is entitled to some " ME " time....like us all she has been under pressure, she having a house guest who inhibits what she can and cannot do....Perhaps she just needs to get out, and if she has met a new guy then good luck to her, I hope he treats her well and with respect.😸

She may well say exactly the same " good riddance " to you, 'cause I dont think she is going anywhere......😸

For those people who have never liked Leora it will not be a loss, but for those who have liked her in the past it will be a big loss.....I have said it before and I will repeat it.....Don't write her off yet.......She might just come back and surprise a few people, she's done it before......Make some allowances for the virus lockdown and the effect it's had on peoples temperament. 😸

Guys! There is a danger that this issue is spiralling out of control or any sense of reality come to that. Several opinions have been posted over the past few days, and some people have overreacted to a situation they have no control over and even less knowledge of what the true facts are. Yes we have seen with our eyes, certain things occur in the apartment and drawn our own conclusions, irrespective of whether they are the truth or not. Also many things have been said through disappointment and anger. Please indulge me, and allow me to put this hypothetical situation to you for your comments? We all have good imaginations, so put them to work on this scenario... What about if Malia arrived in Prague as a guest for a while, but because of the pandemic was forced to stay for in indefinite time.....Friends can be friends for many years but you really don’t know them until you are confined with them 24/7. Bear in mind also that prior to Malias arrival Leora was a free spirit , used to doing exactly what she wanted when she wanted....Irrespective of whether you liked her or not, she was rarely inactive for too long. It was mentioned by me and some others at the time, that in our opinions Malia brought very little to the table and if anything had been a hindrance to the harmony of the apartment. My opinion on that has never varied...She might be a nice person , I wouldn’t know, but I do know that since she arrived the apartment has deteriorated. Leora gets no space or privacy to express herself like she used to, only behind the closed door of the bedroom..Malia follows her around like a shadow, after a while this can become similar to a straight jacket and frustration and impatience can set in. Malia also may have brought different influences also, inasmuch as in all the years most of us have been watching Leora, we could only remember her drinking alcohol a couple of times....but since Malia arrived her alcoholic intake has increased tenfold. Imagine also that her and Paul have parted and only talk through friendship and interest in the dog...this entitles her to see anyone she wishes whenever she wishes without having to consult Paul, Malia or us....Because she goes out doesn’t necessarily mean she is with a guy, although what does it matter if she is....It’s her life! People making remarks on here about her grazed knees, and how that proves she is shagging someone is outrageous and laughable.. Think also about the visitor on Saturday night....What about if it was Malia who asked him to come to keep her company? And not a devious plot by Leora to get him comfortable and then desert him...There are two sides to every story . I would imagine Leora is pissed of at the moment with several things....Lack of privacy from her guest, Her breakup with Paul, Our opinions, which sometimes border on outrageous , and how to balance everything and still have a personal life if she wishes.... My opinion is that Malia is not a patch on Leora, and is revered at the moment by default. I know not everyone will agree with my thoughts on this matter, but it’s as credible as any others that have graced these pages for a few days now....give it some thought, and be patient....It will work out