Amy3

I don't really understand what you are saying. Are you saying that people aren't watching Lisa's shows live, whereas Katie's are viewed live. I don't think so. I do watch both of them and they both bate directly to the cam.

I don't see any difference between what Lisa and Katie do. Both are bating directly in front of the cam. As long as they are doing it because they want to and it's more for their pleasure then the viewer it's ok. The moment they do it for the viewer more then themselves, it's no longer in 2.0.

Katie has a schedule? I didn't know that. Seemed random to me.

But, like I said it's part of voyeurism 2.0 so it's acceptable. In voyeurism 1.0, that would never have been tolerated.

Lisa does casahot bate shows. Always the same.

Welcome to Voyeirism 2.0! Here are the new rules. 1. No looking directly into the cams. 2. No taking direct commands from the viewer to do anything. 3. Any sexual activity, even essentially cam shows (i.e. Lisa's and Katie bating, for example) must be done more than 50% for the pleasure of the tenant as opposed to the viewer. 4. No tipping. Once any of these rules get broken, Voyeurism 3.0 will begin.

Thank you! Somebody agrees with me finally!

I think she just wants enough to get by in and that’s all. She’s got it made.

2017 Honda Civic Coupe, white. It’s the girliest car I could buy for under 25k. It’s cute and drives awesome, I love it! She needs a name though. I’m stumped. 💗

Rock an Ana ! Nice view of Ana right now.

Who?

This is true. She was more interesting with Logan then she is with Sid. It's mean to say that, but from the outside looking in, it's true.

I'm having a hard time being interested in Em. The obvious reasons are Sid and those pajamas. But the tricky reason is that I can't read her very well. I don't understand her motivatios or her interests. I don't know what she likes and doesn't like. She like a blank slate to me and I just can't seem to be all that interested. She also doesn't seem to be good about pulling people out of their shells. She doesn't instigate fun or elicit fun out of others. Oh well, that's my take.

Lisa is smart and she knows exactly what she needs to do to keep this gravy train running. I hope she did get a job. The interaction with non voyeur people will keep her head turned on straight. Lisa wins!

My guess is the Ashley's of this world, will look back on their life in 20, 30, 40 years from now and think to themselves, "I wish I had just gone for it!" Don't be foolish, but life is short, make the most of it. Or it's possible that they won't. Who knows? For me, I regret some of my own hesitations. There were times where I wished I had said fuck it, let's do this.

Jeff painted his toenails pink. My kinda a guy!

Let this comment sink in everyone. This is by far the most profound comment I have ever made here. It took 4 years of watching, listening, and failing for me to be able to make it. Ok, I'll step off my soap box now. 💗

Bye Ashley II, whom I really thought looked exactly like Sally from the movie The Nightmare Before Christmas. Thanks for bringing all of this to a head. We don't always get to a have a round table meeting like this. Overall, I'm pretty happy that the discussion was relatively civil. Anybody want to go grab a beer? 🍺

Like I said this is a symbiotic relationship. We need them to fulfill our expectations, they need us to watch them perform them. It's up to them to figure out what those expectations are and then determine what limits they will set for themselves. It's funny to me how clearly the tenants understand this, but for some reason many of us have a hard time with it. I think we have a need to not think of tenants as cammers, but the truth is that is exactly what they are. The only differences are is that they don't look into the cams, they can't leave the set, and there is at least some hope that their sexual behavior is mostly to fulfill their own desires, not ours. I don't have a problem with Katie or Lisa doing essentially cam shows because no one is making them do them. They are choosing to do that. Whereas I do have a problem with hiders because what they are saying is that they know I am here and they don't want me to be here. That is, I'm paying, but I'm not welcome. Hiding is a fundamental breakdown of the symbiotic relationship. That's why I complain about it. I want to be accepted by anyone in the apt regardless of who they are. Get it?

I was informed directly by VH that Ashley was off the project. I think I posted this in the forums and within minutes Anna worked her magic and Ashley finally agreed to stop hiding. It was a last ditch effort by Anna that saved her and if you recall, it was after this point that she stopped hiding. She wasn't perfect, but she wasn't blatantly hiding as much. I, myself have made the argument that even guests should not be allowed to blantanly and purposefully hide on cam. I'm an honest person and I will tell that I lost that argument with VH. They made it clear that hiding from the cams was not a no no even from tenants. Even that is not a rule. It will however eventually cost them their spot on VH. But, we have seriously gotten away from the main point, which is that ALL of us have expectations for what we want to see. None of us are excluded from that so don't be telling me that I'm somehow less of a voyeur because I wish for things. The second part of this is that the tenants are under no obligation to fulfill those expectations; however they do so at their expense. Views are king! No views no money! At some point though the tenant becomes a liability, a cost, an overhead, and then that's when the VH hammer falls, we hope.

Wonder why Lisa never visits Rock and Ana?

She's not going to shower there. If she does she'll cover the cams. Both of them, I guarantee it. If I'm wrong I promise to not post any comments in CC for a full 24hrs! 😉

Hypocritical, like "expecting" Bree to bring over some guys to fuck while Drew is in the hospital and "expecting" Em to dump Sid cause he doesn't fuck her as good as Logan did? Yes, I suppose it is hypocritical. For the record, I never once made any comments about Nora. Go back and check it yourself. Not once to make any comments one way or the other. That, by definition removes me from this notion that I have a double standard and I am a hypocrite cause I'm not!

Ashley II makes it clear that she knows we are here and she adjusts herself accordingly. Nora acted as if the cams were not there. Even though she didn't get naked she didn't adjust her behavior because of the cans. Do you see what I mean?

It's cause this girl tries to hide herself from us, Nora didn't so much.