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Il y a 2 heures, Mark Thompson a dit :

I can't stand this insane pretzel logic ...

so an adult gets raped ? beat up ? maybe robbed or slandered  but decides not to do anything about it ... not to mention this person could have been  impaired, drugged  unconscious ??  and unwilling to get into trouble for the possible consequence  ( RLC could wield such pressure  - women in poverty?, passport or immigration issues, threats of violence  to them or family  -this is Pimps and criminals  people ) Who knows ) 

the point many of us with care and conscience are saying from the abundantly clear evidence that Moron perpetrated is still WRONG  regardless of what Lilith says are can't or wont say ( and luckily she did not get physically harmed or fully raped ) 

It is wrong ! and RLC is not surprising,  putting you NEW GUY on the Forum and other plants to try and change, manipulate the Narrative 

 to just comment and not voice upwards to RLC  and cancel ones subscription ( and why because of another level of porn industry abuse of women and men  - the hypocrisy is sickening ) but they would never get a penny of mine  and nor have they 

so again welcome to REAL LIFE   but don't you dare try and deflect and deny that this episode sucks, is wrong on many levels and Moron and RLC will get their Karma card punched real good one day 

You are assuming a lot, making exaggerated comparisons, and jumping to conclusions. Not saying you couldn't possibly be (partly) right, but the way you are ranting screams kangaroo court mentality.

You are also wrongly (and insultingly) assuming I'm defending Miron. Some people did, but not me. You're letting your emotions get the upper hand. We just don't know enough now

I could just as well assume (note that I don't, actually!) that Miron and Lilith are some kind of friends with benefits at the moment, and she's all ok with what happened, or doesn't really care. But I won't do that, as I don't know.

What is important is what Lilith feels inside about what happened (which we don't know). Not what RLC would want her to say about it (do they have leverage on her? We don't know, but she hasn't been in the project for a while now, while still apparently living in Barcelona). And also not what feelings you are projecting / imposing on her about what she 'should' feel. That's actually rather patronizing towards her.

As for Miron: he's out of the project soon after the event, but apparently still welcome to visit. Was his departure already planned beforehand, or was he 'let go' after what happened? Again we don't know. Pity we didn't see Lilith again yet. There would be less uncertainty if she was actually in the project at the moment and we could gauge her reactions, body language etc.

But alas, she isn't. A lot was probably discussed off cam, and what was said we can only guess. Your guess is as good as mine. To be clear: I'm talking about guesses, not conclusions. I try to never jump to conclusions as a general rule.

Did Lilith & Miron talk it out afterwards and are friends (again)? Or does she never want to see him again? Or something in between? We don't know... All is possible for now  (unbearable for some people, apparently). I would like her visiting again though, to find out more. If we don't see her again, that might be a bad sign. But still no certainty.

We do know that in the (rather recent) past, RLC has kicked out abusive & violent types like Bruno & Smith (Kitty's bf) though.

PS: if RLC were actually "pimps and criminals" as you suggest, we would have seen signs of that already, and the company would not be able to exist in the EU (and most other countries) for a long time, as a moderately high profile webcam site. Girls would certainly have less freedom, and be pushed to be less 'boring', put on more shows, or not disappear for days on end like some do. While that makes for boring streams sometimes, it is at the same time somewhat reassuring: an indication they're probably not whipped into obedience or such. But like the rest of what I said: this is just an educated guess.

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10 minutes ago, Epikouros said:

You are assuming a lot, making exaggerated comparisons, and jumping to conclusions. Not saying you couldn't possibly be (partly) right, but the way you are ranting screams kangaroo court mentality.

You are also wrongly (and insultingly) assuming I'm defending Miron. Some people did, but not me. You're letting your emotions get the upper hand. We just don't know enough now

I could just as well assume (note that I don't, actually!) that Miron and Lilith are some kind of friends with benefits at the moment, and she's all ok with what happened, or doesn't really care. But I won't do that, as I don't know.

What is important is what Lilith feels inside about what happened (which we don't know). Not what RLC would want her to say about it (do they have leverage on her? We don't know, but she hasn't been in the project for a while now, while still apparently living in Barcelona). And also not what feelings you are projecting / imposing on her about what she 'should' feel. That's actually rather patronizing towards her.

As for Miron: he's out of the project soon after the event, but apparently still welcome to visit. Was his departure already planned beforehand, or was he 'let go' after what happened? Again we don't know. Pity we didn't see Lilith again yet. There would be less uncertainty if she was actually in the project at the moment and we could gauge her reactions, body language etc.

But alas, she isn't. A lot was probably discussed off cam, and what was said we can only guess. Your guess is as good as mine. To be clear: I'm talking about guesses, not conclusions. I try to never jump to conclusions as a general rule.

Did Lilith & Miron talk it out afterwards and are friends (again)? Or does she never want to see him again? Or something in between? We don't know... All is possible for now  (unbearable for some people, apparently). I would like her visiting again though, to find out more. If we don't see her again, that might be a bad sign. But still no certainty.

We do know that in the (rather recent) past, RLC has kicked out abusive & violent types like Bruno & Smith (Kitty's bf) though.

on and on   he Molested her REGARDLESS of what your insane unimportant speculations are 

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12 minutes ago, ddhm said:

Loraine managed to teach Anthony all the tricks , not that we can understand things , but speaking low voice ( whispering style 😂 ) , he learned from the best 😂🤣😂🤣

its a shame he doesnt whisper when ha plays the guitar LOL

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It’s not fair jumping to conclusions but speculation occurs due to both low voice discussing / whispering , we see Kimberly then doing what she has been getting disappointed and sad , that is being commented by the others and now it looks like that the talk is gossiping for other fellow villa tenants .. I don’t say that she should be locked inside her room if she doesn’t like but you can’t blame something and then doing the same .. I hope my speculation is wrong but it doesn’t look like two people having a general talk with whatever subjects discussing and get to know one another , opinions and beliefs , it looks mostly a “ gossip “ for others in my humble opinion . 

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il y a 6 minutes, Mark Thompson a dit :

on and on   he Molested her REGARDLESS of what your insane unimportant speculations are 

And again, whether she felt molested or not, and if yes, how badly, is for Lilith to decide, not you.

But I'll stop now, as this discussion is most probably pointless. It's like talking to a wall.

Maybe, if you're so absolutely convinced of your righteousness beyond any doubt, you should just put your money where your mouth is and press charges, then? Not sure if Lilith would be so pleased with that, though... But, who knows...

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8 minutes ago, Epikouros said:

And again, whether she felt molested or not, and if yes, how badly, is for Lilith to decide, not you.

But I'll stop now, as this discussion is most probably pointless. It's like talking to a wall.

Maybe, if you're so absolutely convinced of your righteousness beyond any doubt, you should just put your money where your mouth is and press charges, then? Not sure if Lilith would be so pleased with that, though... But, who knows...

but who knows  but you beat the shit out of it  all the same 

as for righteous .. I have been making one point   It's about civil behavior and morality .  miron crossed the line in universal civil behavior society expects and protects  .

nothing to do with Lilith ( other than she is used as the example of it happening to her  

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2 hours ago, Epikouros said:

You are assuming a lot, making exaggerated comparisons, and jumping to conclusions. Not saying you couldn't possibly be (partly) right, but the way you are ranting screams kangaroo court mentality.

You are also wrongly (and insultingly) assuming I'm defending Miron. Some people did, but not me. You're letting your emotions get the upper hand. We just don't know enough now

I could just as well assume (note that I don't, actually!) that Miron and Lilith are some kind of friends with benefits at the moment, and she's all ok with what happened, or doesn't really care. But I won't do that, as I don't know.

What is important is what Lilith feels inside about what happened (which we don't know). Not what RLC would want her to say about it (do they have leverage on her? We don't know, but she hasn't been in the project for a while now, while still apparently living in Barcelona). And also not what feelings you are projecting / imposing on her about what she 'should' feel. That's actually rather patronizing towards her.

As for Miron: he's out of the project soon after the event, but apparently still welcome to visit. Was his departure already planned beforehand, or was he 'let go' after what happened? Again we don't know. Pity we didn't see Lilith again yet. There would be less uncertainty if she was actually in the project at the moment and we could gauge her reactions, body language etc.

But alas, she isn't. A lot was probably discussed off cam, and what was said we can only guess. Your guess is as good as mine. To be clear: I'm talking about guesses, not conclusions. I try to never jump to conclusions as a general rule.

Did Lilith & Miron talk it out afterwards and are friends (again)? Or does she never want to see him again? Or something in between? We don't know... All is possible for now  (unbearable for some people, apparently). I would like her visiting again though, to find out more. If we don't see her again, that might be a bad sign. But still no certainty.

We do know that in the (rather recent) past, RLC has kicked out abusive & violent types like Bruno & Smith (Kitty's bf) though.

PS: if RLC were actually "pimps and criminals" as you suggest, we would have seen signs of that already, and the company would not be able to exist in the EU (and most other countries) for a long time, as a moderately high profile webcam site. Girls would certainly have less freedom, and be pushed to be less 'boring', put on more shows, or not disappear for days on end like some do. While that makes for boring streams sometimes, it is at the same time somewhat reassuring: an indication they're probably not whipped into obedience or such. But like the rest of what I said: this is just an educated guess.

Great post Epikouros.  Very well put, objective, just the facts. Some folks here should maybe reel it in a bit. Anyone who just tuned into this forum should start by reading this first. It’s becoming a lynch mob mentality. 

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10 minutes ago, Maxbell said:

Great post Epikouros.  Very well put, objective, just the facts. Some folks here should maybe reel it in a bit. Anyone who just tuned into this forum should start by reading this first. It’s becoming a lynch mob mentality. 

Give me a break. Here's a simple thought: fingering an unconscious girl is bad.

The only possible way it would be acceptable behaviour is if Lilith had expressly told Miron that she was alright with it before she went to sleep/passed out. Given that he kept stopping whenever she showed any sign of waking up, I highly doubt that was the case. And if it was, surely he could have just told that to RLC and they could have confirmed it with Lilith. Instead he got kicked out.

Absent that permission, he's performing a sexual act on someone who's not capable of telling him no. That's sexual assault and it's fucked. Obviously Lilith is entitled to react to it in any way she wants to (assuming she even knows it happened), but Miron's willingness to do that is way more than enough reason to kick him out of the apartment. 

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