B4 - General Topic 2025 #6 (February)

[moules]

9 hours ago, Epikouros said:

Having a book, especially a controversial book, doesn't necessarily mean you agree with the author.

When I was a student, several philosophy/history/political sciences students had that book in their rooms, alongside very different & opposing political tracts by other writers. None of them was a Nazi in the slightest, quite the contrary even.

I don't think I ever knew or heard about anyone who read it cover to cover though (not even the Nazi or fascist fanbase), as even the native German version is apparently in a ponderous, convoluted & hard to read style, even for Germans.

There is a newer, annotated scholarly version since a few years (from 2016 onwards, depending on the language it's translated in). It contains the complete uncensored original, but has annotations & footnotes by historians & other scholars, explaining context & debunking a lot of Hitler's claims. Seems like an interesting version to have. I don't know if this is the version Aziza has, I haven't seen it yet.

Edit: I saw it on her nightstand, but couldn't discern the version or publisher. The title is in Western (as opposed to Cyrillic) alphabet letters, but maybe that doesn't mean anything. I don't know in what language she's reading it.

But pretty sure she won't be reading it straight from beginning to end.

Edit 2: changed handstand in nightstand. Dunno what I (or corrector bot?) was thinking.

Edit 3: I wouldn't mind seeing Aziza (or another girl) doing a naked handstand. That must have been it. 

I tried reading it and soon gave up.  Here is an excerpt of the first two paragraphs of one chapter.  (The first paragraph is a single sentence.)

Quote

If the principal duty of the National Socialist People's State be to educate and promote the existence of those who are the material out of which the State is formed, it will not be sufficient to promote those racial elements as such, educate them and finally train them for practical life, but the State must also adapt its own organization to meet the demands of this task.

It would be absurd to appraise a man's worth by the race to which he belongs and at the same time to make war against the Marxist principle, that all men are equal, without being determined to pursue our own principle to its ultimate consequences. If we admit the significance of blood, that is to say, if we recognize the race as the fundamental element on which all life is based, we shall have to apply to the individual the logical consequences of this principle. In general I must estimate the worth of nations differently, on the basis of the different races from which they spring, and I must also differentiate in estimating the worth of the individual within his own race. The principle, that one people is not the same as another, applies also to the individual members of a national community. No one brain, for instance, is equal to another; because the constituent elements belonging to the same blood vary in a thousand subtle details, though they are fundamentally of the same quality.

Back in the day, while traveling in Russia and talking with Russians, the answer to the question, 'Which country do you fear most?' was always, 'Germany'.  Not the United States.

I truly have no idea why she would have.Mein Kampf on her nightstand.  Maybe she is playing a little trick on subscribers, seeing whether it is noticed.  Maybe she is rebelling against Marxist-Leninism.  Maybe the book was a gift from a 'client'.

[luvdoggy1111]

Cassie rubbing Aziza's belly.

[thinga69]

10 hours ago, Epikouros said:

Having a book, especially a controversial book, doesn't necessarily mean you agree with the author.

When I was a student, several philosophy/history/political sciences students had that book in their rooms, alongside very different & opposing political tracts by other writers. None of them was a Nazi in the slightest, quite the contrary even.

I don't think I ever knew or heard about anyone who read it cover to cover though (not even the Nazi or fascist fanbase), as even the native German version is apparently in a ponderous, convoluted & hard to read style, even for Germans.

There is a newer, annotated scholarly version since a few years (from 2016 onwards, depending on the language it's translated in). It contains the complete uncensored original, but has annotations & footnotes by historians & other scholars, explaining context & debunking a lot of Hitler's claims. Seems like an interesting version to have. I don't know if this is the version Aziza has, I haven't seen it yet.

Edit: I saw it on her nightstand, but couldn't discern the version or publisher. The title is in Western (as opposed to Cyrillic) alphabet letters, but maybe that doesn't mean anything. I don't know in what language she's reading it.

But pretty sure she won't be reading it straight from beginning to end.

Edit 2: changed handstand in nightstand. Dunno what I (or corrector bot?) was thinking.

Edit 3: I wouldn't mind seeing Aziza (or another girl) doing a naked handstand. That must have been it. 

My main concern, so to speak, is that Naziza doesn't seem to be the kind of girl that is studying Nazism. If she has some curiosity about the subject, she could have any other book about the subject rather than that. There are many new editions of the book that she could have bought, but she chooses an old edition that either she bought online or in a bookstore.

So to me there is a 70% that she's a supporter and 30% that she only have some curiosity about the subject because the majority of the people that buys that book is because that they support in a certain way. 

[thinga69]

According to Noldus Monthly Statistic, RLC has 13,23% of German audience, I wonder what they think about that.

[itohkata]

12 hours ago, Epikouros said:

Having a book, especially a controversial book, doesn't necessarily mean you agree with the author.

When I was a student, several philosophy/history/political sciences students had that book in their rooms, alongside very different & opposing political tracts by other writers. None of them was a Nazi in the slightest, quite the contrary even.

I don't think I ever knew or heard about anyone who read it cover to cover though (not even the Nazi or fascist fanbase), as even the native German version is apparently in a ponderous, convoluted & hard to read style, even for Germans.

There is a newer, annotated scholarly version since a few years (from 2016 onwards, depending on the language it's translated in). It contains the complete uncensored original, but has annotations & footnotes by historians & other scholars, explaining context & debunking a lot of Hitler's claims. Seems like an interesting version to have. I don't know if this is the version Aziza has, I haven't seen it yet.

Edit: I saw it on her nightstand, but couldn't discern the version or publisher. The title is in Western (as opposed to Cyrillic) alphabet letters, but maybe that doesn't mean anything. I don't know in what language she's reading it.

But pretty sure she won't be reading it straight from beginning to end.

Edit 2: changed handstand in nightstand. Dunno what I (or corrector bot?) was thinking.

Edit 3: I wouldn't mind seeing Aziza (or another girl) doing a naked handstand. That must have been it. 

Well.. I agree with you in theory (except on the naked handstand, where I'm 100% with you). 

In a practical manner... well, I don't remember seeing her ever reading a book. So displaying that specific one seems more of a statement of a kind rather than anything.

Which statement I'm not sure, but that's an odd one on an Elon Musk level.

 

[Rattlesnake316]

As a German, I don't care about the statistics

[Brit Guy]

So, the new girl is called Lunette @Noldus

[luvdoggy1111]

Welcome Lunette!

[news49]

Lunette? strange as a name if you are French

[Maxbell]

1 hour ago, thinga69 said:

My main concern, so to speak, is that Naziza doesn't seem to be the kind of girl that is studying Nazism. If she has some curiosity about the subject, she could have any other book about the subject rather than that. There are many new editions of the book that she could have bought, but she chooses an old edition that either she bought online or in a bookstore.

So to me there is a 70% that she's a supporter and 30% that she only have some curiosity about the subject because the majority of the people that buys that book is because that they support in a certain way. 

Thinga69, I this isn't directed at you personally but it is an opportunity for me to spout off, again.

Judging someone based on what they read is bigotry and can bring personal danger to to that person. I understand the intense hate people may have regarding Nazism as well, but we would be no better than Nazis if we label someone based on a book.

I can't explain why she has that book. She might be anti-Nazi and wants to understand the enemy.

[Brit Guy]

5 minutes ago, Maxbell said:

Thinga69, I this isn't directed at you personally but it is an opportunity for me to spout off, again.

Judging someone based on what they read is bigotry and can bring personal danger to to that person. I understand the intense hate people may have regarding Nazism as well, but we would be no better than Nazis if we label someone based on a book.

I can't explain why she has that book. She might be anti-Nazi and wants to understand the enemy.

I cannot believe his opinion on someone just because of a book she is reading. I saw the book on Aziza's bedside unit, and that was it, I moved on. I never decided to nickname her what he has which is pretty fucking disgusting and I have not gone on about it or judged like he has. Frankly I think this guy Thinga needs to get his fucking head checked. 

[Maxbell]

Lunette... sounds like loo-net, oh that's a easy one to make nicknames from. Heehee