Timewarp Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Quite some time ago I made it clear that I would not do political argument here. At this point in time I rarely do it anywhere and I won't open up any specific issues here because in my world view it is pointless. The reason is that except for this recent press laden anomaly the extreme right is enjoying at the moment, they are losing. The GOP has no realistic shot at the White House and frankly unless they find a better platform my grand children may be voting before they have a serious shot again. The next Democratic president will appoint a few Supreme Court Justices securing a more liberal tone to this body for the next 30 or 40 years. The next election will see the Democrats take back the Senate and some of the HR. Hopefully they can begin to undo the gerrymandering a voter suppression that might bring even more seats to the other side of the isle. Young voters don't really support the GOP point of view and let's face it, who will be voting in ten years? So..... as you see. Arguing about it is pointless. Some of us would really like to actually make this country great again and get on with the business of the 21st century. We are falling behind other nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 The GOP have no coherent point of view for sensible right-leaning voters to support. They have clearly and unashamedly sold their political allegiances to the Koch brothers and other multinational companies. Meanwhile they preach the politics of fear and division to the warped/skewed people in the electorate. Those people that are unable to think critcally for themselves and go for this neo-con bullshit because to have those kinds of belief doesn't require anything else from them - just blind faith, the willingness to hate other people and the idiocy to carry on voting for a party that gave them George W. Bush and the Tea Party. Believing that Obama is a communist is absolutely laughable but the worrying thing is is that there are a generation of Americans who actually do believe this because that is what Fox News has told them to believe. These kinds of people are the real threat to America, and these warped people, although they think they are more patriotic, more 'Murican, than the next guy are actually the main reason why over the last three decades America has slipped so far from where it once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamy T. Squirrel Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 It's amazing how State Capitalists spend their time arguing about which brand of socialism can give the most power to the government. Bolsheviks vs Mencheviks, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Quite some time ago I made it clear that I would not do political argument here. At this point in time I rarely do it anywhere and I won't open up any specific issues here because in my world view it is pointless. The reason is that except for this recent press laden anomaly the extreme right is enjoying at the moment, they are losing. The GOP has no realistic shot at the White House and frankly unless they find a better platform my grand children may be voting before they have a serious shot again. The next Democratic president will appoint a few Supreme Court Justices securing a more liberal tone to this body for the next 30 or 40 years. The next election will see the Democrats take back the Senate and some of the HR. Hopefully they can begin to undo the gerrymandering a voter suppression that might bring even more seats to the other side of the isle. Young voters don't really support the GOP point of view and let's face it, who will be voting in ten years? So..... as you see. Arguing about it is pointless. Some of us would really like to actually make this country great again and get on with the business of the 21st century. We are falling behind other nations. I have seen liberalism destroy many European countries. And one only has to look at Greece to see what out of control spending and socialism can do. And if you don't believe in the constitution, and in personal responsibility, then yes, the Democrats would be your party of choice. But to any thinking person, or to anyone who doesn't just drift through life with their eyes closed, knows just how detrimental the Democrat party has been to this country, especially within the last several years. Lets see now, you have the anti-constitutionalist, socialist, Bernie Sanders, and the astonishingly corrupt, and proven liar, Hillary Clinton for the Democrats leading candidates. And you say that the GOP platform is screwed up? To a deranged liberal, like Bernie Sanders, and Barak Obama, 'Climate Change' is the chief cause for Isis and for Islamic terrorism. That alone tells me that some of you people who support that view are either very stupid, or very gullible. It's that, or at least they both think you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I have seen liberalism destroy many European countries. And one only has to look at Greece to see what out of control spending and socialism can do. And if you don't believe in the constitution, and in personal responsibility, then yes, the Democrats would be your party of choice. But to any thinking person, or to anyone who doesn't just drift through life with their eyes closed, knows just how detrimental the Democrat party has been to this country, especially within the last several years. Lets see, you have the anti-constitutionalist, socialist, Bernie Sanders, and the astonishingly corrupt liar, Hillary Clinton for the Democrats leading candidates. And you say that the GOP platform is screwed up. To a deranged liberal, like Bernie Sanders, and Barak Obama, 'Climate Change' is the chief cause for Isis and for Islamic terrorism. That alone tells me that some of you people who support that view are either very stupid, or very gullible. It's that, or at least they both think you are. Can you tell me which European countries have been destroyed by liberalism? I take it that by applying the term liberal to European politics you mean socialism - so which socialist countries, there are quite a few, have been destroyed by clinging on to failing socialist ideology? I don't think you understand the roll of the trifecta in destabilising the Greek economy for political ends, but if you feel that you do then I'm interested in your take on how the Eurozone crisis is a direct result of liberal/social policies. Bernie Sanders should be getting the vote of all working class Americans, that's by far the majority of voters. His platform is about reigning in the power of banks and multinationals - bringing jobs back to America, lower taxes for middle and lower income families - paid for by making corporations and top earners pay their progessively taxed way. How is that not fair, and why is such a policy anathema to you? It seems like you believe what Murdoch et al tells you to believe if you think Sanders is deranged. Why is it that you think he's deranged? It's not good enough to just call any politician or a political theory names, thinking that by doing so you are making a decent contribution to a debate, you aren't. What is it, specifically, that you don't like about Sanders and what is it, specifically, about socialism that you think is worse than what America has been suffering under for the past 30 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 To have to explain those things that are blatantly obvious in the realm of cause and effect to someone like you is pointless. I have said it before, and I will say it again. Arguing with a liberal is futile, and will only lead to someone's utter frustration. And I refuse to bang my head against the wall, or pull my hair out in an attempt to get you to finally see reason. :bang head: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maturin Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 To have to explain those things that are blatantly obvious in the realm of cause and effect to someone like you is pointless. I have said it before, and I will say it again. Arguing with a liberal is futile, and will only lead to someone's utter frustration. And I refuse to bang my head against the wall, or pull my hair out in an attempt to get you to finally see reason. :bang head: That's just not good enough, sorry. You've made a load of questionable statements and called people and political ideologies names and that's all you've brought to the conversation. Indeed that's all you ever do, so if you don't want to argue with a liberal then why do you post in the political forum? At some point a man has to back up what he's saying and prove he's able to support his position by showing he has the relevant facts and knowledge, or else no one will take him seriously. So, in the spirit of debate (I am genuinely interested and want to give you the chance to show that you know what you're talking about) answer the two main questions above: 1) Can you tell me which European countries have been destroyed by liberalism/socialism? 2) What is it, specifically, that you don't like about Sanders' policies? Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 What is it, are you bored? Why don't you just enjoy yourself sitting there in the Alpine mountains of Switzerland and leave the politics of this country to those of us who actually live here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 The GOP have no coherent point of view for sensible right-leaning voters to support. They have clearly and unashamedly sold their political allegiances to the Koch brothers and other multinational companies. Meanwhile they preach the politics of fear and division to the warped/skewed people in the electorate. Those people that are unable to think critcally for themselves and go for this neo-con bullshit because to have those kinds of belief doesn't require anything else from them - just blind faith, the willingness to hate other people and the idiocy to carry on voting for a party that gave them George W. Bush and the Tea Party. Believing that Obama is a communist is absolutely laughable but the worrying thing is is that there are a generation of Americans who actually do believe this because that is what Fox News has told them to believe. These kinds of people are the real threat to America, and these warped people, although they think they are more patriotic, more 'Murican, than the next guy are actually the main reason why over the last three decades America has slipped so far from where it once was. You only have to read this to see what a hypocrite you really are. It is filled with nothing but hate from you in your attack against those of us that are conservatives. And you now pretend to be open to an honest debate. What a gulling nerve you have. And the mere fact that you obviously can't see how un-American, and how un-constitutional Bernie Sanders is to those of us who still believe in our right to hold onto our own personal property is, tells me just how far out there you really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodworker Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Now, I'll leave this for others to continue with, if they even care to. Personally, it just isn't worth my time anymore to even bother with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewarp Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 I am not going to wade into this as I stated and I feel even better about my comments after seeing the responses. I will bet they will get even better as the next few days unfold. I can't help but notice that a simple question was asked of woodworker. Prove your claim by naming one country that was destroyed by liberalism. The answer does not require an essay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foamy T. Squirrel Posted December 25, 2015 Author Share Posted December 25, 2015 . . . 1) Can you tell me which European countries have been destroyed by liberalism/socialism? . . . Cheers. Whelp, let's start with the Weimar Republic. Then let's also move on to virtually every country in Eastern Europe. The history is there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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