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"A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear." --Marcus Tullius Cicero 42B.C.

Yes, really!

"My information tends to come not from websites but reputable news organisations." So these 'reputable' news organisations don't post on websites? Who are these 'reputable' news organisations? The German commander of the 5th Panzer Army, Hasso von Manteuffel said: The operations of the American 1st Army had developed into a series of individual holding actions. Montgomery's contribution to restoring the situation was that he turned a series of isolated actions into a coherent battle fought according to a clear and definite plan. It was his refusal to engage in premature and piecemeal counter-attacks which enabled the Americans to gather their reserves and frustrate the German attempts to extend their breakthrough I'm not even going to bother making any comment about Churchill. I would suggest you utilise the NATO System on your reputable news organisations: Reliability of Source- A - Completely reliable, B - Usually reliable, C - Fairly reliable, D - Not usually reliable, E - Unreliable, F - Reliability cannot be judged Accuracy of data- 1 - Confirmed by other sources, 2 - Probably True, 3 - Possibly True, 4 - Doubtful, 5 - Improbable, 6 - Truth cannot be judged An A1 is a rarity, but a D to F coupled with a 4 to 6 is the most common with news organisations.

These are the appalling facilities we are keeping asylum seekers in, some of the muslim scum coming out of the middle east that Australia has agreed to accept will probably end up here. Unbelievable squalid conditions, airconditioned, running water, three meals a day, medical support, recreational facilities. I know half our country's pensioners would move in tomorrow, but we can't afford to look after them like human beings, pensioners whose taxes paid for these facilities.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend, except in the middle east. Sometimes the enemy of my friend is my friend, the enemy of my enemy is my enemy, the friend of my enemy is my friend, the friend of my friend is my enemy, etc. etc. etc. Saudi Arabian Enemies: Al-Qaeda - supports the overthrow of the House of Saud Hezbollah – blacklisted as a terrorist organisation Iran – normal sunni / shi’ite conflict Iraq – they claim the Saudis support ISIS ISIS – some private donations but not state sanctioned Syria – wish to overthrow Assad with support from Qatar and Turkey Saudi Arabian Friends: Egypt – financial support for government Palestine – financial support Saudi Arabian Questionables: Hamas – support Palestinian unity but declared Hamas parent group, Muslim Brotherhood, terrorists Israel – both disagree on US policy regarding Iran and Syria Turkey – rivals for regional superiority

That's one version.

Churchill and Montgomery mavericks?

How many incidents in history have contributed to the refugee problem now facing Europe? Here's one: In March 1947, Mountbatten became viceroy of India with a mandate to oversee the British withdrawal. He established good relations with leading politicians, particularly with Nehru, but was unable to persuade the Muslim leader Mohammad Ali Jinnah of the benefits of a united, independent India. Mountbatten soon gave up hope of a united country and on 14-15 August 1947, British India was partitioned into the new states of India and Pakistan. This resulted in widespread inter-communal violence, particularly in the Punjab, which now sat in East India, and West Pakistan. There were huge population movements as 3.5 million Hindus and Sikhs fled from the areas that had become Pakistan and around five million Muslims migrated to Pakistan. The reality is that Britain were never serious about giving India independence. Mountbatten became so frustrated with the procrastination of the British government, he officially announced a date for British withdrawal without parliamentary approval, then flew back to London forcing Churchill to sign the appropriate paperwork. The repercussions are still being felt today and added significant fuel to the fires that still burn. As Britain had no real commitment to Indian and Pakistani independence, there was no plan in existence as to how it would occur. Mountbatten's announcement of a date left just 3 months to draw up arbitrary borders that, taking ethnicity, religion and culture into consideration, should have taken many years of negotiations. These are the worst lines the Brits ever drew.

Spot on. The Ford Falcon GTHO Phase III was built for homologation, it looked almost identical to the GT. The modified version the Falcon GT built in 1971 with a heavily upgraded engine, a 4 speed top-loader gearbox and Detroit locker 9" differential. It was also equipped with special brakes and handling package, plus a 36 imperial gallons (164 litres) fuel tank. Winner of the 1971 Bathurst 500, driven by Allan Moffat, the Phase III has been described as "...simply one of the best cars in the world, a true GT that could take on Ferraris and Astons on their own terms..." by Sports Car World.[3] The GTHO's 351 Cleveland engine output was understated as 300 bhp (224 kW) to satisfy insurers. It is generally accepted to produce in the region of 350-380 bhp (265 kW -283 kW). Initial cars were equipped with an electrical rev limiter which came into effect at 6,150 rpm. With the rev limiter disabled, the engine was reputed to pull in excess of 7,000 rpm, even in 4th gear. The Phase III GTHO was Australia's fastest four-door production car.

Well it appears that at least 719 muslims won't be making the trip across to Europe and I understand they don't qualify for any virgins either. Some people just can't win a trick.

Leora look alike competition entrant?

Again half a story, the USS Donald Cook, operating out of a forward base in Rota Spain, was conducting exercises at sea with the USS Taylor, in conjunction with the Romanian Navy’s ROS Regina Maria and ROS Marasesti. The exercise included a visit by the Romanian President Traian Bsescu. The U.S. Navy, on a normal and routine basis, operates ships in the Black Sea consistent with the Montreux Convention and International Law as part of the U.S. 6th Fleet area of operations contribution to regional maritime security, bilateral and multilateral training missions, and to support NATO operations and deployments throughout the region. The US doesn’t need to flex its muscles in an area they patrol on a regular basis. What would be surprising is the US not being scrutinised by the Russians. Addition, interesting post from someone who read the article:- The aircraft that flew near the Cook does not have any electronic countermeasures capability aside from a little bit of self-defense. Guess what...my JOB was Airborne EW and I have Military Subspecialty Code 0046S in EW. I can still take the old ERA-3B Skywarrior I used to fly and "black out" any Russian or American radars you throw me against. Jamming radars is not tough at all and certainly not enough to even raise the eyebrow on the EW Officer on the Cook IF it happened, which it did not. You guys REALLY need to stay away from http://www.nutbarconspiracy.com and http://www.tinfoilhatbrigade.org and quit wasting your money on all that tinfoil. Source(s): Disabled Vietnam Veteran - Navy Airborne Electronic Warfare Officer

Thanks for clearing that one up, I thought she was playing with Paul's camo paint.

Example: Posted 13/06/2014 12:16 BST ISIS could very well have become the world's richest terror organisation after an injection of £250m into their coffers following a raid on Iraq's northern city of Mosul. The militant jihadists currently advancing on the Iraqi capital of Baghdad are now rolling in riches, with an armed raid on Mosul's central bank reportedly resulting in a haul of 500 billion Iraqi dinars (£250m). Atheel al-Nujaifi, Ninevah's provincial governor, told the International Business Times that numerous banks across Mosul had been raided, with gold bullion taken as well as cash. It elevates the group to a wealth on a par with the Taliban, once believed to have been in possession of around £200m, and Hezbollah, which is believed to have a budget of around £200m, with £50m-£100m coming directly from Iran. Alternate version: A raid by Iraqi militants on Mosul's central bank and other smaller banks as they overran Nineveh province earlier this month likely did not provide the group with hundreds of millions of dollars, a senior intelligence official told NBC News on Tuesday. Two weeks ago, Mosul mayor and Nineveh governor Atheel al-Nujaifi had claimed that terrorists with the Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) had stolen as much as $400 million from the Bank of Mosul and numerous provincial banks, as well as large quantities of gold bullion. The Mosul heists did provide them with funds "to the tune of millions of dollars," said the official, but not "hundreds of millions." ISIS gets some money from foreign donors, but it "pales to what they get from extortion, robbery, kidnapping," said the official. "They require drivers to pay 'road taxes' in territories it controls," said the official, who estimated that the group takes in several million dollars a month. Either way, I think we get the picture that state funding is not the real problem.

Trying to explain the complexity of what happens in the middle east in this forum would be an impossibility. Yes, wealthy individuals in Qatar probably did fund ISIS. Up to 2014, possibly, but as I stated, so did many other wealthy donors, some with and some without state approval or knowledge. But ISIS obtains funds from many other sources, many other countries, including the UK, the US and Australia, as well as what they acquire along the way. As for some US diplomat (or maybe British) who said recently that he was told the Saudi policy was annihilation of Iran, just like Iran's policy to wipe Israel of the face of the Earth, you'll probably find that on 1000's of sites on the web. And yes, Saudi Arabia did bomb Yemen, along with another 9 allied countries. But don't forget the numerous US airforce bases in the country that the coalition depend upon. Same as allowing the Turks to bomb ISIS and Kurds, maybe ten or twelve attacks against ISIS, maybe what, 200+ against the Kurds, an unofficial US ally. I can't help but notice no one mentions the deals done between Assad and ISIS to take over Syrian cities to remove Assad's enemies. No one mentions the build up of Russian planes in Syria that are not designed for a defensive function anymore but aggression, which indicates a completely different strategy. Yes, Saudi Arabia does have a fairly significant air-force, recently updated by the US identical to those used by the US and supplied to Israel to create a level playing field. But actually not identical, they do not have the same tactical capabilities as the US planes, a budget version. I notice no one mentions the diplomatic talks between most of the coalition countries, who despite all the critics, have taken note of 'lessons learnt' by previous mistakes, particularly the French. Removing Gaddafi and Hussein created short term solutions but without a plan to fill the voids, left long term problems. Why do you think no one has really moved against Assad? Because the only force capable of filling the void is ISIS and then we will never get rid of them. One of the military think tank solutions was to let ISIS sort out Assad for us, but I think Russia intervention will lay that idea to rest. Then again, Russian success in the region, Afghanistan, is no better than ours. Imagine ISIS with all that Russian hardware. Today the middle east, tomorrow the world, 50 or so years earlier than expected. Why won't the coalition properly support the Kurds? Because providing them that much power will result in an independent Kurdistan, which will upset Syria, Iran and Iraq but totally piss of Turkey, a NATO member. And the US has to provide some compromise with Iran, otherwise the Russians certainly will. Imagine Russia with a stronghold in Syria and Iran. But nobody mentions the deals being negotiated between the US and Israel to compensate for the potential threats that the US has acknowledged do exist. The list goes on and on and on. There are two major conflicts going on the middle east, the Jews against the Arabs and the Shi'ites against the Sunnis. But unless you are aware of the other 100 or so major conflicts in the background, along with the factions and internal politics, you can't really understand the region and therefore will never come up with an adequate solution. And all of this helps the cause of Islam, creating millions of muslim refugees to populate the rest of the world, particularly Europe at the moment and subsequently the corrupt governments that are allowing this to occur in many other countries. Wait till Turkey gets into the EU, over 70 million muslims with freedom of movement, hell on earth. Millions of people still in the middle east are not in the countries where they belong and probably never will, except maybe the Jews. There's only about 6 million of them in Israel, maybe another 8 million spread around the world. Leaving them in peace will solve half of the middle east problems. Then maybe the rest of the region can sort out their problems and stop the refugees.

There's that arrogance again, you think this is only about you. You are not the only person posting on this thread though are without doubt the only fuckwit (fuckwit - A person who is not only lacking in clue but is apparently unable or unwilling to acquire clue even when handed it on a plate in generous portions.) My response about Saudi Arabia had nothing to do with anything you wrote. It may have been relevant but I wouldn't know because I've given up reading your bullshit. Maybe I'll start again to see how far you have strayed from actual facts. You now have the delusion that you know something about the middle east conflict as well as being an expert on Europe. We had a guy like you on here once before, can't remember what he called himself. He denied the muslim problem in Europe as well. Said he was off to Germany for a few days and would report back the real facts about the country. For some strange reason we never heard from him again. And what has the Iraqi invasion of 2003 got to do with what I wrote anyway? So your so called two sentences are actually irrelevant, like everything else you post. If you are going to respond at least reference the actual content.

What the fuck? I have read so much crap in the last 30 minutes, it's literally given me a headache. Saudi Arabia a threat, funding or supporting ISIS, or whatever? Totally confused. Yes there are groups and individuals funding ISIS in Saudi Arabia, same as there are in dozens of other countries, including Australia. ISIS gets most of their funds from selling captured oil, extortion, raiding banks with millions in their safes when taking towns, drugs, you name it. Saudi Arabia is under attack from ISIS. Saudi Arabia has bombed ISIS in Syria. Saudi Arabia is allowing anti ISIS, anti Assad rebels to be trained in country, the only other countries doing that are Turkey and Qatar. Saudi Arabia has some military equipment, but know their limitations and know their only reliable ally is the US. Saudi Arabia is pissed off at the Obama administration for not taking out Assad, especially after turning a blind eye to Assad's use of chemical weapons, that they got from Iraq. The forerunner to ISIS was originally started by a Jordanian named Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, operating out of Jordan as a terrorist for about 10 years, moving to Afghanistan in 1999. Although meeting with bin Laden, chose not to join al-Qaeda. He fled to Iraq in 2001 forced to move after the fall of the Taliban. It was claimed he was working with Saddam Hussein, but this was never proven and unlikely as he was establishing his own group. After the 2003 invasion he established the beginnings of the current movement, Jama’at al-Tahwid w’al Jihad. Unlike bin Laden, their target was Shi’ites. In 2005, he declared "all-out war" on Shi’ites in Iraq. In 2005, he was taken out by US forces. The vacuum left by Zarqawi’s death was picked up after the US withdrawals in 2011, by Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and the group morphed into al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) from a largely foreign to a largely Iraqi operation. Baghdadi himself, as his name suggests, is local. Another rebranding occurred to the Islamic State of Iraq, or ISI. Like Zarqawi, the Shiites were still his main targets, but now he sent suicide bombers to attack police and military offices, checkpoints, and recruiting stations and included civilian targets. ISI’s recruited former Sons of Iraq, many of whom had previously been commanders and soldiers in Saddam’s military, turning Baghdadi’s fighters into the semblance of an army with thousands of armed men now at his disposal, Baghdadi opened a second front against the Shiites in Syria, where there was a largely secular uprising against President Bashar al-Assad. In 2013 the group was now renamed the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), reflecting his greater ambitions and also Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant , covering a much larger section of the middle east for his caliphate. ISIS is Iraqi born and bred.

1971 Ford Falcon XY GTHO Phase III Sedan 4dr Man 4sp 351 V8 with 58,000 genuine kilometres One of the best 'muscle cars' ever produced. Ford had to produce a minimum of 500 to qualify for production car racing. Because it's based on a standard Falcon there are plenty of fakes around but normally easy to spot. Compliance plate makes it easy with only 500 to account for. I had the base model with the 302, but still an awesome vehicle. Wish I still had it. This one is genuine, asking price $370,000

Here we go again, another middle east expert. Great statement, based on what? (Hint - cut and paste some mind blowing facts from maturin).

The point of the article in The Telegraph is it provides facts that prove there was a muslim problem in Europe in 2009, the problem you claim doesn't exist.

I'll keep that in mind. But was happy to support the charity and got to sit in the front seat and fantasise about being out on a nice open road somewhere. Hope they don't find any more classics or I'll go broke.

Insults? You are a liar or a fool, That's not an insult, that's a fact. Quote: I can't refute anything you say about your personal experiences in a butcher's shop and all the rest - if I knew where you lived etc then I'm pretty sure it would become clear that you're not telling the whole story. That is just total arrogance, calling me a liar. But protected by your keyboard you can get away with bullshit all you like. It really is a shame we can never be face to face. I really hope you live long enough to see the shit that's coming, because you won't be capable of defending yourself and your muslim friends will ensure that morons like you will be amongst the first casualties. You have never provided any facts when asked in the past and never will, you simply ignore specific comments and then fall back on your normal bullshit. Here's an opportunity, what about the article from the Guardian August 2009. There's some facts quoted in there, dispute them? Don't ignore it, dispute them.

So what do you want, a picture of my local butcher shop before it was purchased by a muslim and became halal? A photograph of the taxi rank with all the Lebanese drivers? My lifestyle has changed, show me the facts that prove I am wrong? If you do any reading or research you would have read numerous articles of restrictions and limitations placed on various groups and societies because the fear of offending minority muslim groups. If you claim not to, there are only two options, you are stupid or you are a liar. Your choice. .................................so I can look up the actual information of each picture and show you where you've made an error. Right, so you are either stupid, or a liar and arrogant.

The Telegraph 8 Aug 2009: Britain and the rest of the European Union are ignoring a demographic time bomb: a recent rush into the EU by migrants, including millions of Muslims, will change the continent beyond recognition over the next two decades, and almost no policy-makers are talking about it. The numbers are startling. Only 3.2 per cent of Spain's population was foreign-born in 1998. In 2007 it was 13.4 per cent. Europe's Muslim population has more than doubled in the past 30 years and will have doubled again by 2015. In Brussels, the top seven baby boys' names recently were Mohamed, Adam, Rayan, Ayoub, Mehdi, Amine and Hamza. Europe's low white birth rate, coupled with faster multiplying migrants, will change fundamentally what we take to mean by European culture and society. The altered population mix has far-reaching implications for education, housing, welfare, labour, the arts and everything in between. It could have a critical impact on foreign policy: a study was submitted to the US Air Force on how America's relationship with Europe might evolve. Yet EU officials admit that these issues are not receiving the attention they deserve. ---------That was six years ago, but don't tell me, the Telegraph is a right wing propaganda tabloid as well. You can read all the reports all the reports you like, for everyone that's supporting your argument, there's another one to dispute it. The weather report says fine and warm with clear blue skies, but look out the window and it's pissing down with rain. So which is right? my street, my suburb, my city, my country, my way of life has been changed and impacted by islam, muslims and fucking refugees. i can't buy meat at my local butcher anymore, because it now only caters for halal approved products so won't sell pork. my local shopping centre doesn't promote christmas anymore because it's deemed offensive and provocative. my granddaughter's kindergarten didn't celebrate easter this year because one child belongs to a muslim family and they didn't want to offend them. my local council no longer starts their meetings with the lord's prayer, even though all are anglo saxon heritage but are scared to offend our local muslims. in sydney recently i was refused service by six taxis, all lebanese drivers, because they wouldn't take me out-side the confines of their own suburbs. so please, please, please show me a report that states that is'nt actually happening. please show me a report that states it's all just a dream. or maybe i will show you hundreds, thousands of similar situations right across australia and europe. you can quote all the fucking reports you want, walk around with your fucking blinkers on, but none of that changes what is actually happening. There, all lower case.

And I would suggest you pull your head out of your arse and wash all the shit out of your eyes, ears and mouth.