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Maybe my timing has been bad, but are both guests still at the apartment? No one is sleeping on the couch - and for that matter, I haven't seen anyone in the living room for a few days.

I thought for sure I'd get a few. Taking a position against the grain of popular opinion usually gets one in trouble. Maybe in this case, I hit on some logic at the right time. I think many of us are aware that we're all kinda pissed off, and there's no one to slap, so we take it out on each other over little stuff. Well, my subscription is over, so I'm watching the free cams now. I'll be hard pressed to be convinced to put out $45 again.

Ok. We probably should give them a chance to keep things clean until people get use to doing per the new layout. I understand the frustration, but as with anything - if people do it right, it should work. PS: And Harly is right about the frequency of posting as well. Not much going on recently. Between that and RLC hard-handed approach to banning, the pics/vids posted has dropped significantly. We'll have to see if this ultimately hurts RLC or not - nothing we're going to find out too soon...

I'm not sure I understand the complaint.... K&K Threads General Chat (172 posts) Pictures (9 posts) Videos (9 posts) Barcelona General Chat (1,087 posts) Pictures (109 posts, 31 comments) Videos (15 posts)

I agree they will cut down on the free cams, but they can't do all of them. People won't spend that kind for money if they don't know what they are going to see. I think they will get down to a half-dozen free apartments and the rest will be blocked without a subscription.

MrBox was making a point that he didn't want to see porn; I simply pointed out when someone purposely masturbates for a camera, it is, by definition porn.

I thought I answered that point. No difference other than the personalities involved. Zoya and Nelly have no issues masturbating for the camera, Kristy does. That doesn't make Kristy's masturbation "fake" - it makes her more modest. If you can't see that, we have no room to agree. PS: And Zoya and Leora masturbating for the camera IS, by definition, porn.

You are confusing "real life" with "expectations". REAL LIFE is what people do depending on their lifestyle, upbringing, and confidence. Kristy is has a moral code that will allow her to take a bath with a camera, but not masturbate or have sex in the apartment (so far). EXPECTATION is what makes many viewers here sit and watch these girls for hours and days in the hope of seeing masturbation and sex. As much as people here SAY they want to see "real life", the reason they pay $45/m or join CC is to see masturbation and sex. If this wasn't true, these discussions wouldn't be taking place. That's not to say it's a bad thing, but we have to accept it for what it is. We also have to accept these are not actors, nor are they porn stars. They are REAL people - ALL of which have DIFFERENT morals and backgrounds. Zoya has no issue with pointing her pussy at the camera and masterbating. I could question whether this is real life because I don't know if she's doing it to get off, or doing it specifically for us. Kristy masturbates under the covers hidden. I could question whether this is real life because I don't know if she's doing it to get off, or doing it specifically for us. The point is, once the cameras were installed, this failed to be real life. What it is are people living out their life in an apartment with cameras. Each and every one of them is going to react to that differently - and WE need to understand and accept that.

Geez, I can't believe we are AGAIN on this "fake" issue. Projection: I will get at least 3 Bad Reps for this post, and I guarantee you one of them will be from Harley. I swear to god that some of you have no understanding what-e-so-ever of the female orgasm... ORGASM 101 You DO know (god, i hope so) that females do not orgasm in the same way men do? Men get a hard on (I can't believe I'm writing this), and advance to ONE explosive orgasm. Women, in the same time it takes a man to reach his, can have many orgasms. If things go according to plan, and the guy actually does the things a female needs to get there, each female orgasm will build to a similar "explosive" orgasm. Something to think about - why do you think so many women claim their partner didn't pay attention to her needs? Kristy had an orgasm, period. If you actually paid attention, instead of moaning about her covering herself up, you would have noticed she was looking for something on her phone to get her aroused. The 3rd video(?) she found gave her enough time to get there. Yes, it was a small orgasm, but likely all she was looking for to ease the sexual tension she felt. Now, let's talk about the covers... The girl has some modesty. If you haven't figured that out by now, your not paying attention. She giggles when she sees Kami's pussy. She covers herself because she doesn't want to be seen on the internet with her hand in her panties - or worse, with her finger inside herself. Most of us would love a girl with a little modesty - only willing to get dirty and nasty behind closed doors. The trouble with some of you guys is you want a full blown squirting orgasm 3 inches from the camera. WTF, you paid $45 (at least some of you did) and you want to see it ALL. WHat you want, guys, is a porn star. And there are plenty of those all over the internet. Apparently, what you DON'T want is "real life"

Let me throw a curveball... Why couldn't they be teasing with one another? Remember the K&K bath with rabbit ears? They were all over each other AND enjoying it. Remember the time Kristy was going to lay between Kami's legs and saw her honey hole? I'll never forget that embarrassed giggle - it was real. Remember when Kristy's hands were under Kami's shorts rubbing her ass, and Kami finally pulled Kristy's hand out? I believe Kami was afraid to let it go any further. We shouldn't mistake them teasing with each other as teasing with us. In those moments, we're probably the furthest thing from their minds. Do they tease "us" sometimes? Sure. And we love it :) As far as Barcelona, I would agree. These girls don't know each other nearly as well as K&K and they certainly aren't soul mates the way K&K are. Now and then they know they should do something more than just walk around naked, and for some of them, bathing together or jumping around on the bed is a lot less personal than Bating. If we want them to stop, however, the next thing that will happen here, on CC, are complaints of how boring things are. It's already going on now because all three girls have basically stopped pretty much everything. Be careful what you ask for LOL

Ok. Let's take this from the top. If one is asking if the girl's would or would not do a massage with or without the camera - I would admit that if there were no cameras, maybe they wouldn't. You can't seperate the fact that some of their actions are done because the cameras are present. NOT because it's scripted, but because there is a benefit to them (either contract extension or bonus money) if they have a bigger audience. This is also why I have said many times, this isn't "real life" because real life situations don't have cameras. It is "real" only in the sense they live day to day more or less how they would if the cameras weren't there. HOWEVER - and there's a reason I put that in caps - SOME people will have sex MORE with cameras, and OTHERS will have sex less - and some will do things exactly like they would either way. Do you think Nelly and Bogden would act any differently in their own apartment without cameras? I don't think so. Do you think Leora would masturbate in the Guest room or bedroom if there were no cameras? Do you think Masha would masturbate as much if the cameras were gone? Do you think Demid would cover himself if there were no cameras? See my point? Everyone reacts differently. Vika's BF is scared to death someone might see his dingy. Nina and Kira, I think act the same way they would without cams. And I think K&K would act the same as well (although Kami would have more guys over). As I said before, there's no reason for RLC to control any of this, and there should be an expectation that everyone of the participants is going to act differently in front of internet cameras. That doesn't make anything fake, it makes it real - just not in the way everyone is expecting.

Here's the point; Does it really matter? Here we are grown men watching life play out for a couple girls we don't even know. Someone translates that one of the girls lived with a guy for months - it's reasonable to assume they slept together - and we are questioning whether the translator had reason to lie? I don't know why she didn't post any pics of her and him together, but that's certainly not proof they weren't sleeping together. Again, does it really matter? Not unless one wants to justify that they had sex the night before she left because RLC scripted the drama that way. That was the original claim I responded to because I do not believe RLC has script writers.

Love to know this stuff.

Most of the bathroom cams don't have "night vision" - so if the lights are off and the door closed, the room is black.

No hard feelings. Conversing by text without expressions and body language between two people that have never met is difficult, to say the least.

I ran this poll to make a point. Watching this apartment and the many visits of "Taboo" and the interaction between her and Zoya and Lev, it suddenly occurred to me that the common belief that "Taboo" is Lev's sister or Cousin didn't make as much sense as "Taboo" being Zoya's sister. Obviously, as little as we know about these people - and having no direct translator like we do for the Barcelona apartment, we have little to go on. Accepting that I could be totally wrong, ONE justification is the similarity between Zoya and "Taboo". I posted a picture in the poll (below) and asked; Is this Zoya or is it "Taboo"? I fully expected a 50-50 split since it is difficult. The results are (47 votes); Zoya - 67%, Taboo - 33% The Answer? It's Taboo. I know you might not be willing to accept that, but I happened to watching the apartment when I snapped that picture, and Taboo was actually talking to Zoya standing at the doorway to the living room at that moment. Reiterating my point, they almost look like twins, so believing they are sisters is not that difficult. Justification TWO; if you watch closely, Zoya and Taboo wear each others clothes a lot. PS: Yes, if Zoya and Taboo are sisters, the relationship between Taboo and Lev is a bit closer than one would expect. Then again, Lev might have known Taboo first, and it would be difficult for Zoya to complain too much since it's her sister.

MrBox, why do you want to make it so hard? I was referring to comment(s) that the action was faked. I was not responding directly to you. I am not blaming anyone for my actions - but a number of people who are accusing RLC of faking this are also mad at them. I was simply pointing out that even though I have reason to be mad, I don't think it's fake. There have been many discussions about Kami living 6 months with cokeboy prior to her moving into this apartment (unless we want to think they had no sex during that time).

Sorry guys, I don't buy into the "scripted fake sex" position at all. If there's anyone here that has a reason to hate RLC, it's me. 2 years, 4 accounts, 2 banned (one within a day of getting it), and my last account expiring in a few days and I'm going to let it go. Read this twice. There is NO reason for RLC to script what happens in these apartments. You treat this environment like it was a porn studio. "lift you left leg higher, move your hair". That's bullshit, and I think those of you with a brain know it. All you have to do is put an ad in the paper that offers a free apartment and food - an apt with cameras in every room, and act yourself. Oh, and sex would be appreciated - AND will be considered in your contract renewal as well as audience participation. Do you have any idea how many people would apply? The problem isn't getting these people, the problem is getting people that have a half brain to play this game right. By the way, whoever said Kami and cokeboy had their first sex the day before she went on vacation. Had you been following these girls as long as some of us, you would know that is laughable for reasons I won't even bother to state. Coke boy still thinks he can convince Kami to accept him, but I think she will ultimately see that he is not interested in HER happiness, only his own. I suspect this fake sex thing will go on as long as RLC goes on, but those of us that know better also know who pays attention and who doesn't by what position they take on this subject.

I know the photo was there originally - at least it seems most respondents found it, but I did re-add it above.

There's a good reason people say to never react immediately - sleep on it, THEN respond. There are three possibilities when considering what Kitek is doing... He is telling the complete truth, as best as his abilities will allow him. He is somewhat embellishing what he hear's for interest, or He is making up a story because it's fun. I don't know Kitek, but I find it difficult to wrap my head around #3. For a person to get on here and make shit up because he wants us to believe something entirely not true raises many questions - the biggest of which is what does Kitek get out of lying? Nothing. Any translation he writes will get him readers. The number of readers (or Reps) doesn't go UP because he lies. One could make the case that the real story is boring as hell, so he makes stuff up - but we've already seen that these girls (especially Kami) are driven by a need to fulfill their sexual desires. They aren't any different than we were at their age. How many times did you just LOOK at a girl and get a hard-on? No, I don't think Kitek is just making up stuff. So it comes down is he telling it like it is, or embellishing parts to make it more interesting? Why does it matter? Once we have eliminated the outright lie, we are left with at least a partial truth. Although we watch these girls 24/7, we really don't know them. We really don't see their "life" in the same detail we would if we knew them. ""How many friends have you had that you said at some point "I can't believe he/she did that! I thought I knew them?"" Whether we have the "exact" truth" or an "almost truth" we got a pretty good idea what Kami did on vacation. She fucked a guy - more than once - and she probably did it at least once without a condom. So what? It happens every day. It's really not news. The trouble with a site like this is we fall in love (yes, REALLY fall in love) with some of these girls. As such, we see them in the light of our "perfect woman". When something comes along that destroys that image, we get angry - and we take it out on the person that caused that destruction. Kitek is not at fault here. He provides some input for us to analyze. If we don't like it, don't read it, don't believe it.... but attacking him for doing it is , well, basically childish.

Reposting this for those who may have missed it. Will talk about results tomorrow. http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=57239cb0e4b010ceddec8b0a Not sure what happened to the photo, but here it is again...

http://www.easypolls.net/poll.html?p=57239cb0e4b010ceddec8b0a I'm not sure what happened to the photo but here it is again...

Zoya = 1 Taboo = 1 Anyone else? I do know the answer since I took the photo live :)

LOL, I know what your saying, but take the quiz ; Zoya or Taboo?