Political correctness.

[Guest BJon]

Well said my friend..

[KarenKraft]

I'm not almost always wrong?  You mean I was wrong about that? 

Anyway, as a Christian, I believe in the Zionist goal and spirit to guarantee two things:  first, that Jews continue to have a homeland that is their own; and second, that so long as the Jews run the place, Muslims, Jews, Christians, and Atheists can all come and enjoy the historical magnificence that is The Holy Land.  If the cockroaches take over, nobody will get to visit anything. 

My point about Germans and Nazis was this: The people who will decide if there will be a war against Islam is the moderate Muslims, not you and not me.  But they must understand that they can be treated the same way other enemies have been treated (or mistreated in the case of the Japanese Internment Camps).  They shall decide if they want to be a religion and join Christians and Jews in a civilized society or if they instead elect to favor Sharia Law here in the West and, if so, be treated as the enemy or, at very least, agents of a foreign power (with the need to register as such). 

In the end, America did not bomb Nazis; America bombed Germany.  America did not bomb Japanese Nationalist Militants; America bombed Japan.  Germany and Japan are our friends today, now that they understand what we won't put up with.  Same for the USSR. 

And please, you and I both know that the loss of every military misadventure since 1945 has been the result of pussy rules of engagement.  LBJ wanted to win the hearts and minds instead of bombing the dams and levies.  Truman didn't want to piss of the ChiComs and Russians so he pussy-footed around.  MacArthur would have ended that war in a month.  Goldwater would have ended the Vietnam war in about three days.  To a very sad extent, the U.S. leaders (not the military itself) lost its balls on V-J Day.

ISIS?  No problem.  You don't send in F-16s and F-18s with some precision b.s. bombing of empty buildings in the middle of the night.  No, you send in the B-52s dropping ton after ton after ton of shit down on them for a month.  The have a good little cry and light a candle for all the good and moderate "civilians" who bought it in that effort.  Simply say, "Sorry 'bout that!" and walk away.

Lastly, NO MORE VISAS for Christsakes.  No tourist visas for Saudi students, tourist visas for ragtops who want to come see the ball drop at Times Square.  Want to see some dropped balls?  Go watch a cricket match.  No more STUDENT visas!  OMG,  what could be more stupid than giving visas and scholarships to people who learn from us and then use that knowledge against us in Jihad or Chink-hack.  Fuck 'em. Let Allah build them an MRI machine. 

[woodworker]

You couldn't be more right.  We play patty-cake now with our enemies.  Hell, we don't even really acknowledge them as our enemies.  Too timid and afraid to even do that.

Political Correctness has made fools and cowards of our so called leaders anymore.  And to fall for such a simple ploy as that ridiculous catch phrase is, just shows you how timid, or weak minded these charlatans in the political arena truly are.

Political Correctness, is nothing more than a 'Political Contrivance' brought about by some pencil neck liberal with the sole aim of making others too afraid to ever speak the truth or to even voice their own opinion.

It's the old story of "The Emperor's New Clothes".  And now we have the liars in the Democrat party still railing on about 'Global Warming',.. They have been trying to brainwash the young with that since the late sixties, only now they discovered that the world is actually cooling, so they now call it 'Climate Change.'

That's that old child's story of "Chicken Little".  Remember?  The one where the one frantic chick went running around crying "The sky is falling,.. The sky is falling"  Which of course wasn't the case.

So, these imbeciles that give an ear to these deceivers within the Democrat party, are what they count on in being able to manipulate into voting for them.

JFK junior recently said,.. "The people who didn't believe in climate change should be arrested".  A true liberal through and through.    Trying to bully, or intimidate, or put fear into the populace that opposed them.

So I say,.. Take your political corruption or correctness as you call it and shove it all the way up your fucking ass.    And to the others I say,.. Just remember this,..

It is through fear and cowardice that dictators manage to enslave the people.  And that is the hope of the Democrat party.  To ultimately make it near impossible for a conservative, or even a Republican to ever get elected again.   

       

[KarenKraft]

<< blush >>

Thank you, guys.

[Foamy T. Squirrel]

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[Ozi]

I'm not almost always wrong?  You mean I was wrong about that? 

ISIS?  No problem.  You don't send in F-16s and F-18s with some precision b.s. bombing of empty buildings in the middle of the night.  No, you send in the B-52s dropping ton after ton after ton of shit down on them for a month.  The have a good little cry and light a candle for all the good and moderate "civilians" who bought it in that effort.  Simply say, "Sorry 'bout that!" and walk away.

Oh dear, should have known better than to try and explain 60 years of the evolution of war, as well as throwing in other subjects, without causing both angst and confusion.

Like everything in this world, war is an evolving and dynamic science. What we did to Germany, didn’t work in Vietnam and what we ended up doing in Vietnam didn’t work in the middle-east. Indiscriminate bombing of targets is not only a waste of valuable resources, but does not achieve the desired effect. This has already been proven in both Vietnam and Iraq. Selective targeting is a two-fold strategy, it destroys valuable resources, including critical human targets, as well as reducing the enemy’s desire to fight. Unfortunately, this probably won’t work against Islam, as no model can yet allow for cultural implications.

Islam is a monotheistic religion articulated by the Qur'an. An adherent of Islam is called a muslim. Religious concepts and practices include the five pillars of Islam, which are basic concepts and obligatory acts of worship, and following Islamic law, which touches on virtually every aspect of life and society, providing guidance on a variety of topics from banking and welfare, to family life and the environment. By any stretch of the imagination, it is a theocracy. It will not wage war on itself.

Indiscriminate bombing resulting in the deaths of what are non-radical muslims will do nothing to win the war against ISIS but will ultimately awaken a sleeping giant. Current figures indicate approximately 23% of the worlds’ population are muslims and is the fastest growing religion in the world. 

As an example, Islam is the dominant religion in Indonesia, which also has a larger muslim population than any other country in the world, with over 200 million, 90% of its population. The Indonesian armed forces are voluntary. The available manpower fit for military service of males aged between 16 to 49 is 52 million, with a further 2 million new suitable males available for service annually due to the significant birth rate.

Indigenous Europeans are currently procreating at approximately 1.6 per family per annum. European muslim are procreating at approximately 8.1 per family per annum. Add converts and ever increasing migration, I’m sure you can do the maths.

China has more adherents to Islam than the European Union. Beijing bans some muslims from observing Ramadan, or boarding public transport while veiled, but it allows millions of others to practice their religion without hindrance. The road to Linxia, in China’s vast northwest is known locally as the Qur’an Belt, with a profusion of newly built mosques and Sufi shrines lining the motorway.  The Hui muslims are a 10.5 million-strong group that is the second largest of China’s 55 officially recognized ethnic minorities, where Sufi traditions remain vibrant.

Russian muslims represent 15% of the total population. Outside observers typically consider Russia’s large Muslim population to be a great challenge for the country and its leadership. President Vladimir Putin possibly has a different view and may see not only challenges but opportunities, including Russia’s diplomacy in the Middle East and elsewhere in the Islamic world.  Putin considers his country’s muslim citizens as a like-minded constituency in combating the perceived negative consequences of the encroachment of "Western" culture in the Middle East, with only China in the immediate region having a bigger population. However,  because China’s overall population is so large, it represents only 1.8% of the total, compared with 15% in Russia. Thus, while Beijing can afford to marginalize its muslim population, Moscow cannot.

Senator Lambie, our most outspoken politician, has voiced her desire to curtail the muslim growth and control in Australia. She recently suggested that if muslims wished to practice sharia law, they should return to their own country. She also said that the burqa should be banned.

Unfortunately, when asked what sharia law was, she said it meant terrorism. She was also not aware that aspects of sharia law are currently being written into law in the UK, the system ours is modelled on. When asked what to do with Australian born and bred muslims who had converted, she had no comment. When asked about muslim headdress, she didn’t know there was a difference between a burqa and a hijab.

Senator Lambie is not wrong in what she wants to happen, but like many of her kind, she is ill informed and in all honesty, doesn’t have a fucking clue what she is talking about. All she achieves is undermining the real fight against Islam.

Like the depleted population growth in Europe, we are reaching the point of no return. Muslims have probably already reached the 25% of the total population mark, but they are also getting close to control of a large number of western countries and economies.

The only thing that will stop the growth of Islam, is non muslims taking control of their own destiny.

Listen, and understand. That terminator is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead.

[KarenKraft]

Oz.  You and I agree on way too much for you to take the following as an insult or think for a moment that I say this without profound respect for both your knowledge and your articulation of that fine knowledge.  But let us begin:

Australia is not the U.S. and I am quite sure everybody on your continent agrees that that is a very very good thing.  And I agree.  Australia has the disadvantage of being much closer to the Islamic action than the U.S. is.  Our only hot spot is Minnesota, with Senator Al Franken championing the cause of Islamist acceptance.  He is likely to win reelection this term because the other fellow has no money and the ... other people ... have plenty to spare.  Australia has to be more careful than does the U.S. for geographical reasons as well as liberal political reasons.  Also, notwithstanding the most excellent bar fights, Australia is a peace loving  society with reasonable people.

Awaken a sleeping giant? Again, I apologize but that made me laugh.  You think that Islam is the sleeping giant?  I'm sorry Oz, but the United States is the sleeping giant, just as it was on December 7, 1941.  God bless Franklin Roosevelt (who I dislike for unrelated reasons) and Harry Truman (the last Democrat president with a pair) because they understood the rules of engagement are the following: do whatever you need to do to win.  September 11, 2001 was a wake-up call for the sleeping giant.  But the U.S., which is inherently isolationist (two large oceans help that), simply hit the snooze alarm and went back to sleep.  Before doing so, George W. Bush took some aggressive action (some pretty good, some jaw-drop stupid), but his rules of engagement were essentially like LBJ's -- the war was not lost in Vietnam, it was given away by foggy rules of engagement.  The recent Muslim beheadings have exhausted the snooze alarm pause and that wake-up alarm is once again sounding.  Over 50% of those asked (in the U.S.) whether we should send ground troops in to kill all the ISIL-ISIS folks, responded in the positive for the first time ever.

Whenever overseas tyrants talk about America and Americans, they exhibit their misunderstanding of the American psyche and the American government.  They always say that they do not consider Americans to be the enemy, but only the U.S. government and its policies, blah blah blah.  This is a joke.  This misunderstanding comes from said tyrants and others abroad thinking CNN and NBC speak the minds and hearts of America.  Those news sources speak for about 30-35% of us, most along the two coasts.  The rest?  We are far more belligerent and right wing than our government.  You may have noticed: we are not a cosmopolitan culture outside the population centers.  As I have pointed out, many people had no qualms about nuking Tehran in 1979.  But like Obama, Jimmy Carter's rules of engagement were: "Use your words!"  That's why, on Reagan's inauguration day, the Iranians made damn sure that all of the hostages had cleared Iranian air space before Reagan came to the mic for his inaugural address.  Would he have nuked Iran?  No, of course not.  But it's the perception that wins the game, not the pussy-red-line-drawing by ineffectual metrosexuals that wins the game.  Americans were singing a parody of the Beachboys' song: Bomb bomb bomb, bomb-bomb Iran..."  Americans didn't give a ship about Islam, Persia, pistachio nuts, etc.  They saw Iran as the enemy, so fuck 'em. 

What happens when the sleeping giant is awakened and doesn't have a hershey packer president?  Ask Dresden (with British partnership I might add).  Ask Hiroshima, Nagasaki.  They are foreigners, so fuck 'em.  Is this what the U.S. delegation says at the U. N.?  Nope.  But this is the mindset that must be recognized.

An awakened Islam?  Pissing them off?  Nah.  They already are pissed at us and want all of us to die, so.....  [wait for it]  .......  fuck 'em.  Now, the CNN person-on-the-street interview would not show that fact.  Such interviews in New York and San Francisco would show the opposite:  we need to try to understand the underlying causes and motivations of those  poor Muslim people and try to .....  blah blah blah.  And that's what the people overseas think Americans think.  Wrong.  We are as blood thirsty as ISIS but not hands-on.  We wouldn't think a thing about bathing fifty square  miles in napalm, so long as we didn't have any of OUR soldiers in harm's way.

But we have a president who bombs empty buildings in the middle of the night,  just as we had LBJ bombing empty rice paddies all day and all night.

We are at war with Islam, but only the Islamists knows that right now.  Does that mean we need to kill all the Muslims?  Of course not.  Probably much less than 1% of them -- those who self-identify in the usual ways.  But just like the Germans and the Japanese got the picture, THEN and ONLY THEN will the hearts and minds follow.  And only then will this Nazi 2.0 race of cockroaches be tamed and evolve into what may, indeed, be a religion of peace.  Until then?  Fuck 'em.  We don't want to learn their proud history, their factions and theologies, their sects and alliances.  We want to light them up.  Hate?  Nah.  Self-preservation.

Is the sleeping giant impotent?  Right now?  Yes, it is.  But with some pro-American leadership, that will change.

[van the man]

Islam is devil worship. The devil will not stop until the earth is covered by his religion. There is no reasoning with unreasonable people. Nelson Mandela was asked why he became a 'terrorist'. He replied that when you sit and talk with people who cannot see or cannot admit they are wrong then there is nowhere to go.

I keep saying that the fact there are so many Muslims who, at least on the surface, are peace loving matters not one jot. It is the activists and so called leaders that matter. Not all Germans were Nazis but this didn't stop the Nazis taking over a modern sophisticated country. All South Africans were not racist but they didn't stop state controlled segregation. All Russians were not communists but they couldn't stop the Communists taking over the country. Ditto China.

What matters is the leadership. The activists. These need to be 'eliminated'. Pure and simple. No compromise. No discussion. Kill the activists, then kill their replacements, then kill their replacements.....

The Western world simply needs to accept the fact that you cannot reason with the unreasonable. Civilised discussion doesn't work with the uncivilised.

The West has the money and the technical and scientific ability to destroy these people. Only the 'enemy' within is preventing decisive action. Wet liberals who only seek to acquiesce to the demands of the enemy get in the way.

We in the West need to fight 5th Century barbarism with 21st Century weapons. Imagine if we find an effective treatment and cure for Ebola and Ebola magically gets transported to the Islamic State territory. Natures very own 'chemical weapon' could do the job for us in a matter of months. At the rate it is spreading in Africa, if this was replicated in the Middle East our delightful IS members would be too busy vomiting and shitting their pants to bother beheading any of our people!!!

No need to fire a gun, no need to unleash a nuclear weapon. Let science and intelligence and Gods natural killer be our saviour!!!

 

[KarenKraft]

Islam is devil worship. The devil will not stop until the earth is covered by his religion. There is no reasoning with unreasonable people. Nelson Mandela was asked why he became a 'terrorist'. He replied that when you sit and talk with people who cannot see or cannot admit they are wrong then there is nowhere to go.

I keep saying that the fact there are so many Muslims who, at least on the surface, are peace loving matters not one jot. It is the activists and so called leaders that matter. Not all Germans were Nazis but this didn't stop the Nazis taking over a modern sophisticated country. All South Africans were not racist but they didn't stop state controlled segregation. All Russians were not communists but they couldn't stop the Communists taking over the country. Ditto China.

What matters is the leadership. The activists. These need to be 'eliminated'. Pure and simple. No compromise. No discussion. Kill the activists, then kill their replacements, then kill their replacements.....

The Western world simply needs to accept the fact that you cannot reason with the unreasonable. Civilised discussion doesn't work with the uncivilised.

The West has the money and the technical and scientific ability to destroy these people. Only the 'enemy' within is preventing decisive action. Wet liberals who only seek to acquiesce to the demands of the enemy get in the way.

We in the West need to fight 5th Century barbarism with 21st Century weapons. Imagine if we find an effective treatment and cure for Ebola and Ebola magically gets transported to the Islamic State territory. Natures very own 'chemical weapon' could do the job for us in a matter of months. At the rate it is spreading in Africa, if this was replicated in the Middle East our delightful IS members would be too busy vomiting and shitting their pants to bother beheading any of our people!!!

No need to fire a gun, no need to unleash a nuclear weapon. Let science and intelligence and Gods natural killer be our saviour!!!

Very well said, Van.

Although the U.S. doesn't condone biological attacks, as I said before, all we need is a combination drone / wood chipper and spray the pink foggy mist of Ebola corpses overhead.  As you said, the problem will fix itself in short order. 

Stupid people don't understand that mass killing is simply an event -- no value judgment is attached to that.  It is the REASON for the action that defines the morality. 

Nazis killed based on who their victims were.  That is immoral.

Killing based on what the targets do or have done may or may not be immoral, depending on what it is that they did or are doing.

But you see, these days, college students major in Feelings. 

They are not equipped to deal with complicated issues, particularly moral ones, that don't deal with (1) victimization of some grievance class; or (2) the temperature of the North Pole.  That's all they got.  And the truth is nothing but "hate facts."

[Aubrey]

An informed Fascist that is able to compose their narrow minded hate-think into reasoned arguments is a rare thing indeed. So rare in fact that the chances of finding two of them on the same forum, a forum about consenting voyeurism, are astronomical.  Of course I'm hardly referring to Woody or PeePee but KarenKraft and Ozi, both formerly known as The Artist Formerly Known As Pirate.

It is quite obvious that you're the same person and quite why you feel the need to debate the finer points of your own personal view in public as two separate avatars (the only benefit to that I can read is the, frankly odd, props you give yourself from each avatar) is beyond me.

Pirate started this thread, it died. Ozi went back to resurrect it, it died. KarenKraft went back to resurrect it and it would be dead already without my input.

Try again Pirate but next time try and modify the language each avatar uses, also the essay length polemic and mutual back slapping from each avatar is a dead give away.

Sorry Woody and PeePee, KarenKraft is not a woman, and he doesn't live in the US - you've got no chance fellas, get back in your box, down boys.

"But, but, but she must be a woman," I hear you whimper. "She wrote things like '<< blush >> Thank you, guys', that's what woman do right? Right? Huh? Huh? Me is confused again and my brainbox are hurts."

No gentleman it isn't.  That's what an old bloke puts when he wants to get some weird kick out of making other old blokes believe he is a woman.

[Ozi]

Sad to say, but if this thread is anything to go by, we are already fucked.

Military strategy 101: Know your enemy. ISIS wasn't the direct enemy of the USA, or the new coalition of the willing or whatever they call themselves now, until they interfered in a civil war. Why? If you want them all dead, they are doing half the job for you, killing each other off. Half the so called freedom fighters we are now supporting are terrorist groups, on our hit list a few months ago. Why do you think Turkey won't support their Kurds to go and fight, because to them they are just as much the enemy as ISIS.

How many Americans and Brits have they executed? Less than 5 maybe? A suicide bomber would be embarrassed by such a meagre figure. However, by making it personal, by beheading on the internet, they have achieved more than killing 50 or even 500 indiscriminately with a few bombs here and there could ever do.

ISIS is now the enemy, Islam has already won.

America a sleeping giant? Yeah right, if it sleep walks. It's been in and out of Iraq how many times since the Gulf War in 1990? And leading all the other blind and lame countries along with them.

We are at war with Islam, but Islam is not just in the Middle East, it's in every suburb, in every town, in every country in the world. It's a parasite, eating us from the inside.

Go ahead, bomb the crap out of Syria and Iraq, for all the good it will do. Sit back at the end of it and pat yourselves on the back and give each other a cigar, while in the background Europe collapses, British parliament approves sharia law, and our collective governments take even more muslim refugees from the countries we fucked over yet again.

[KarenKraft]

Turkey is stalling on ISIS because they want ISIS to kill the Kurds, and then Turkey will work with the U.S. to kill off ISIS. 

It's a classic power play that never crossed the mind of the ineffectual metrosexual in D.C.  Tee time!

But wait:  Audrey -- I'm "The Artist?"  Who is that?  I don't live in the U.S. of A.?  Where do I live, Cupcake?

I'm afraid you have outed yourself as a total paranoiac.  But it's not your fault, is it CupCakes?  It's those damn chemtrails making what passes as your brain foggy.  But just to allow you to reclaim what little cred you have around here: Tell us now, upon what evidence at your disposal, do you claim the things you said in the previous post regarding any of us.  We'll wait.