Epikouros Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Il y a 2 heures, maxfactor a dit : I have been to Russia...seen them with my own eyes. Everything we have seen in this war is Russian. That is the way they are. No sympathy. They played a game of "ignore politics" and now they are getting fucked. They cannot claim it is not them...IT IS ALL OF THEM! Just like the Germans befor them in WW2...to this day they blame ze Nazis. Fuck them, it was the Greman people that did it...just like the Russian people are doing this! If you go far enough back in history, you could collectively blame any group or nation as a whole at a certain point in time. Including Americans. Just ask the Native Americans, among others. This is an alley without end... Let's just say Homo Sapiens as a species is capable of horrible things in the right, or rather the wrong, circumstances (such as manipulative dictator types with a big propaganda machine gaining power, or religious fanatics stirring people up, or...), as history so often shows. Nothing inherently makes Germans or Russians biologically or genetically more (or less) prone to cruelty than other humans. Those are external influences, and can change over time. In the next big conflict, it will be "all of them" of nation/group X (maybe yours, or mine,...) that will be the bad guys. "It is all of them", is exactly what Russians are now being spoonfed about "nazi satanic gay-loving" Ukrainians. Apparently you're thinking the same way, just the other way round. Do you still hate the Germans? They are now the country with the strongest anti-nazi laws on Earth. Germans (in general) are now much more allergic to nazi-style propaganda than - for example - Americans. Or Russians. You would get very cold, even hostile, reactions from most Germans (exceptions exist, as always) if you went there saying shit like "the nazis weren't all that bad". Things change. The victims of today can be the perpetrators of tomorrow, and vice versa. Every nation has dark pages in their history (or present, & probably future) not to be proud of (though they all have their portion of extremists & apologists who try to be anyway). Saying "it is all of them" (fill in enemy of your, or rather that of the manipulator behind the scenes, choice) is propaganda lesson 1.1. Saying "it is all of them" is a clear sign of ignorance, no matter who says it, against no matter which enemy. It's a manipulated frame of mind designed to make collective punishment of "the enemy" possible. That's how soldiers go as far as to mass execute civilians without their conscience bothering them (for now), as it's "all of them" and "they deserve it". It's called "demonizing the enemy" & it's an essential propaganda tool for making your people & soldiers ethnically cleanse the enemy population, for example. Saying "It is all of them" is also a slap in the face of all the Germans who resisted Hitler & died for it, and all the Russians who are currently being detained or otherwise in trouble, for opposing the war & their country turning into a dictatorship. As for those who keep silent, they're no heroes but it's how most humans act in comparable situations. Would you (or I) 1) be hero and resist & risk your life/freedom if a dictator came to power? Or 2) keep your head down? Or 3) support him wholeheartedly? Only one way to find out... In practice most humans pick the second of those three options, with the outliers choosing the first or the third. Option 2 is most common, though part of the people tend to gravitate (some for show, some out of belief) towards option 3 when a dictatorship is establishing itself / is on the rise, and towards option one (again, some out of pragmatism, others because their eyes opened) when a dictatorship starts unraveling (due to crises, such as suffering from war, famine, shortages,...) If it is "all of them", why were so many Germans (not even counting the Jewish Germans) arrested & often killed by their nazi government? Why are so many Russians becoming political prisoners and dying strange deaths the last few years or even longer? Surely there would be no Russian political prisoners & assassinations if it was "all of them"?... "Having been somewhere" is not valid as proof of how every single individual over there says, let alone thinks. Lots of people have been there, including foreign correspondents with no love for Putin, but talking to people off the record who are not happy with the direction their country is going (mostly younger people, the older generation tends to want to "make Russia great again" - generalizing here), but (understandably) afraid to publicly speak up. A lot also refuse to be interviewed out of fear. The only ones who aren't afraid to be recorded are Putin supporters or even bigger fanatics like Prigozhin fans - though the latter have had their "night of long knives" recently, too. Case in point, and back on topic: if it was "all of them", there is no way that Ukrainian & Russian RLC tenants could get along or even be able to live in the same house. Still, they clearly do. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northguy Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 5 hours ago, corvette08 said: Electric shitbox Tesla is #1 in the two biggest car markets, China and the EU. US is as always behind in new tech. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ddhm Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 5 hours ago, Epikouros said: If you go far enough back in history, you could collectively blame any group or nation as a whole at a certain point in time. Including Americans. Just ask the Native Americans, among others. This is an alley without end... Let's just say Homo Sapiens as a species is capable of horrible things in the right, or rather the wrong, circumstances (such as manipulative dictator types with a big propaganda machine gaining power, or religious fanatics stirring people up, or...), as history so often shows. Nothing inherently makes Germans or Russians biologically or genetically more (or less) prone to cruelty than other humans. Those are external influences, and can change over time. In the next big conflict, it will be "all of them" of nation/group X (maybe yours, or mine,...) that will be the bad guys. "It is all of them", is exactly what Russians are now being spoonfed about "nazi satanic gay-loving" Ukrainians. Apparently you're thinking the same way, just the other way round. Do you still hate the Germans? They are now the country with the strongest anti-nazi laws on Earth. Germans (in general) are now much more allergic to nazi-style propaganda than - for example - Americans. Or Russians. You would get very cold, even hostile, reactions from most Germans (exceptions exist, as always) if you went there saying shit like "the nazis weren't all that bad". Things change. The victims of today can be the perpetrators of tomorrow, and vice versa. Every nation has dark pages in their history (or present, & probably future) not to be proud of (though they all have their portion of extremists & apologists who try to be anyway). Saying "it is all of them" (fill in enemy of your, or rather that of the manipulator behind the scenes, choice) is propaganda lesson 1.1. Saying "it is all of them" is a clear sign of ignorance, no matter who says it, against no matter which enemy. It's a manipulated frame of mind designed to make collective punishment of "the enemy" possible. That's how soldiers go as far as to mass execute civilians without their conscience bothering them (for now), as it's "all of them" and "they deserve it". It's called "demonizing the enemy" & it's an essential propaganda tool for making your people & soldiers ethnically cleanse the enemy population, for example. Saying "It is all of them" is also a slap in the face of all the Germans who resisted Hitler & died for it, and all the Russians who are currently being detained or otherwise in trouble, for opposing the war & their country turning into a dictatorship. As for those who keep silent, they're no heroes but it's how most humans act in comparable situations. Would you (or I) 1) be hero and resist & risk your life/freedom if a dictator came to power? Or 2) keep your head down? Or 3) support him wholeheartedly? Only one way to find out... In practice most humans pick the second of those three options, with the outliers choosing the first or the third. Option 2 is most common, though part of the people tend to gravitate (some for show, some out of belief) towards option 3 when a dictatorship is establishing itself / is on the rise, and towards option one (again, some out of pragmatism, others because their eyes opened) when a dictatorship starts unraveling (due to crises, such as suffering from war, famine, shortages,...) If it is "all of them", why were so many Germans (not even counting the Jewish Germans) arrested & often killed by their nazi government? Why are so many Russians becoming political prisoners and dying strange deaths the last few years or even longer? Surely there would be no Russian political prisoners & assassinations if it was "all of them"?... "Having been somewhere" is not valid as proof of how every single individual over there says, let alone thinks. Lots of people have been there, including foreign correspondents with no love for Putin, but talking to people off the record who are not happy with the direction their country is going (mostly younger people, the older generation tends to want to "make Russia great again" - generalizing here), but (understandably) afraid to publicly speak up. A lot also refuse to be interviewed out of fear. The only ones who aren't afraid to be recorded are Putin supporters or even bigger fanatics like Prigozhin fans - though the latter have had their "night of long knives" recently, too. Case in point, and back on topic: if it was "all of them", there is no way that Ukrainian & Russian RLC tenants could get along or even be able to live in the same house. Still, they clearly do. Very good post , many truths behind most of the sentences , educated people will understand a lot easier , even more , people living in Europe we have an even bigger knowledge of the majority of the things you mention . Congratulations on taking / dedicating time to develop your thoughts and post them in an adults forum . 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxfactor Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Epikouros said: If you go far enough back in history, you could collectively blame any group or nation as a whole at a certain point in time. Including Americans. Just ask the Native Americans, among others. This is an alley without end... Let's just say Homo Sapiens as a species is capable of horrible things in the right, or rather the wrong, circumstances (such as manipulative dictator types with a big propaganda machine gaining power, or religious fanatics stirring people up, or...), as history so often shows. Nothing inherently makes Germans or Russians biologically or genetically more (or less) prone to cruelty than other humans. Those are external influences, and can change over time. In the next big conflict, it will be "all of them" of nation/group X (maybe yours, or mine,...) that will be the bad guys. "It is all of them", is exactly what Russians are now being spoonfed about "nazi satanic gay-loving" Ukrainians. Apparently you're thinking the same way, just the other way round. Do you still hate the Germans? They are now the country with the strongest anti-nazi laws on Earth. Germans (in general) are now much more allergic to nazi-style propaganda than - for example - Americans. Or Russians. You would get very cold, even hostile, reactions from most Germans (exceptions exist, as always) if you went there saying shit like "the nazis weren't all that bad". Things change. The victims of today can be the perpetrators of tomorrow, and vice versa. Every nation has dark pages in their history (or present, & probably future) not to be proud of (though they all have their portion of extremists & apologists who try to be anyway). Saying "it is all of them" (fill in enemy of your, or rather that of the manipulator behind the scenes, choice) is propaganda lesson 1.1. Saying "it is all of them" is a clear sign of ignorance, no matter who says it, against no matter which enemy. It's a manipulated frame of mind designed to make collective punishment of "the enemy" possible. That's how soldiers go as far as to mass execute civilians without their conscience bothering them (for now), as it's "all of them" and "they deserve it". It's called "demonizing the enemy" & it's an essential propaganda tool for making your people & soldiers ethnically cleanse the enemy population, for example. Saying "It is all of them" is also a slap in the face of all the Germans who resisted Hitler & died for it, and all the Russians who are currently being detained or otherwise in trouble, for opposing the war & their country turning into a dictatorship. As for those who keep silent, they're no heroes but it's how most humans act in comparable situations. Would you (or I) 1) be hero and resist & risk your life/freedom if a dictator came to power? Or 2) keep your head down? Or 3) support him wholeheartedly? Only one way to find out... In practice most humans pick the second of those three options, with the outliers choosing the first or the third. Option 2 is most common, though part of the people tend to gravitate (some for show, some out of belief) towards option 3 when a dictatorship is establishing itself / is on the rise, and towards option one (again, some out of pragmatism, others because their eyes opened) when a dictatorship starts unraveling (due to crises, such as suffering from war, famine, shortages,...) If it is "all of them", why were so many Germans (not even counting the Jewish Germans) arrested & often killed by their nazi government? Why are so many Russians becoming political prisoners and dying strange deaths the last few years or even longer? Surely there would be no Russian political prisoners & assassinations if it was "all of them"?... "Having been somewhere" is not valid as proof of how every single individual over there says, let alone thinks. Lots of people have been there, including foreign correspondents with no love for Putin, but talking to people off the record who are not happy with the direction their country is going (mostly younger people, the older generation tends to want to "make Russia great again" - generalizing here), but (understandably) afraid to publicly speak up. A lot also refuse to be interviewed out of fear. The only ones who aren't afraid to be recorded are Putin supporters or even bigger fanatics like Prigozhin fans - though the latter have had their "night of long knives" recently, too. Case in point, and back on topic: if it was "all of them", there is no way that Ukrainian & Russian RLC tenants could get along or even be able to live in the same house. Still, they clearly do. Looks like I offended a square head. IT WAS AND IS ALLL OF THEM 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moules Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 11 hours ago, maxfactor said: I have been to Russia...seen them with my own eyes. Everything we have seen in this war is Russian. That is the way they are. No sympathy. They played a game of "ignore politics" and now they are getting fucked. They cannot claim it is not them...IT IS ALL OF THEM! Just like the Germans befor them in WW2...to this day they blame ze Nazis. Fuck them, it was the Greman people that did it...just like the Russian people are doing this! I have been to Russia numerous times. Ukraine also, numerous times On a person-to-person level, and my interactions were with professional people for the most part, the I concluded that the people who were most like them are the Americans. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moules Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 No one has posted, but I believe that T&T, like Elvis [Presley], have left the building! I know Timur was up around 08:00 taking a shower, as Rachel was getting ready to leave for her new job. I have not checked replay for the time, but their belongings can no longer be seen on 3-12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moules Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 RLC Replay REPLAY.REALLIFECAM.COM Watch your favorite cams in 24-hour recording Tereza leaving. RLC Replay REPLAY.REALLIFECAM.COM Watch your favorite cams in 24-hour recording Father Timur leaving shortly before Tereza. No one to say good-bye. How sad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
omedo Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 17 minutes ago, moules said: Repetición del RLC REPLAY.REALLIFECAM.COM Mira tus cámaras favoritas en grabación de 24 horas Teresa se va. Repetición del RLC REPLAY.REALLIFECAM.COM Mira tus cámaras favoritas en grabación de 24 horas El padre Timur se marcha poco antes que Teresa. Nadie para decir adiós. Qué triste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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