HarleyFatboy Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Draft the mail mr1010.I am in.Instead of sending individual mails,lets address this issue jointly.I have sent them an email regarding this earlier when Christy Left.They have not responded. I will sit this one out but thank you for considering me! I have already cancelled with them and sent them a pretty lengthy email of displeasure. They have yet to responded to my email (probably because they are trying to get through all of mr1010's first) so I am done with them! I wish you all the luck and in the future if I see where improvements have been made due to you all's diligence, I may come back to the fold. Have a great day and good luck!! PS I'm just messing with you mr1010 :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natres Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 mr 1010 Thanks for the offer, but another useless being tired myself, I'm sorry. trouble finding someone to do business is vv I do not think we ll take back the answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natres Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 out party today, another day wasted :no: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timewarp Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Unsy, cassy, tallguy, sat11, jabbath, yadevol, nack, natres, beancounter, miscvoyeur,timewarp, dfCcap, spielo, bookmaster and others on this site regularly, please read the preceding post by Bullit19 about an email idea to complain in a unified front to VV about the issues we all have with their site. I also responded to him about it and said I would communicate with everyone about the idea he has. Any who agree, let us come up with a joint "communique" we can send to VV to insist they address our concerns. I suggest someone who has not complained to them much before (in other words, not me) send the joint email with everyone's names on it, with the threat that we could get many of us to cancel our subscriptions if they fail to address our concerns promptly. They also must respond back to us by email of the steps they are taking to address our concerns. We can all put forward ideas here for the verbiage to be used, come up with a draft and then after everyone is agreed, have someone send out the email with the names of anyone here that wishes to join in it. I, for one, have felt extremely frustrated and powerless and have on my own kind of flailed at them to no avail. That is because I and others do it on our own. If we do it together, they will have to listen. I am going to bed now, but I will check back in a few hours to see what people think. Thank you to anyone who has listened to us. I tried to look at this from the perspective of someone who has actually run a business and the following thought came to me. While you do pay attention to your customers, you don't let the inmates run the asylum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1010 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 DfCcap, how true. They haven't gotten through all mine, lol! Thanks for responding. I knew you were not paying, wanted to include you in case you were interested. Will do my best and we will see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1010 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Timewarp, I also have run a business. While it is true you don't listen to every single thing customers suggest, they listen to almost none. And customers can vote with their pocketbook. Joint has more impact than individually. And I am not insane person. I hope you were only using an expression, because otherwise it was extremely rude. Lots of people express the things I do, but few want to take action. The union leader, the community organizer, the socially conscious leaders of our societies, are they insane also? You can snipe if you want, it's what you are good at. Instead, I try to help people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miscvoyeur Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Please do not include my name in any of this sort of email as I find the idea of complaining to VV to be an utter ridiculous idea. Let's be clear here, these complaints only come from people just wanting to see sex... which is the same thing people used to criticize Tver for only being about. You people have no idea what you even want and quite frankly I'm getting real tired of seeing the same whining about not seeing sex, and especially from mr101 who once again, have stated that you acknowledged that you were way too focused on wanting to see sex and then turn around and had the last 20 or so posts complaining that there is no sex. There is a reason that not only myself but multiple people on this forum have said you need to take a break from VV or just stop watching. You're like a man obsessed. And as for this email you plan on sending to VV, what exactly do you want them to do? Do you want them to send in more porn stars? Do you want them to send in more couples? This would turn the apartment exactly into what you find boring and uninteresting in Tver. How do you not see that? VV takes the gamble of bringing in single people and watching them interact with one another. Sometimes it works, and when it does it works great. Christy was brought in for Phil but she wound up getting with Messa at the end. And even before in the early days, Roma and Sabina were a couple, but when Sabina left Roma and Lilu wound up having arguable THE hottest sex VV has ever seen. It's that level of spontaneity and uncertainty that puts this site over RLC. And sometimes it doesn't work, like with the psycho bitch they brought in before Christy, or like in this case with Natasha and Akira, although we don't even know if she was brought there for Akira or not. Take the good with the bad so when the good actually does happen it's even more fun to watch. But only someone that isn't obsessed with just watching people fuck in the apartment can appreciate this. I like watching sex like anybody, but I like real interactions more, and the only thing all your whining and complaining to VV is going to do is bring another Julia and Gavin couple or another Nataly (or Nikki or whatever her name is) for the same people complaining about wanting to see sex will then turn around to whine and complain that they're bringing in porn stars. Seriously people, grow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1010 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Tallguy, unsy, cassy, jabbath, beancounter, miscvoyeur, spielo, natres, yadevol, gavrunkel and others, do you agree with me about a joint communique email to VV? I will start drafting a letter. We need to see who else is interested in joining in the email. Now, anyone can choose what they want to do depending on their response, if any, with their subscription. Just let's let VV think we may all cancel. We needn't actually do it if we don't want. It doesn't seem that anything is changing. Same old hanging out in Tver. No signs of any chemistry between Akira and Natasha. No new people. Petra hugs Natasha all the time. She could try to work on her, get her sexy like she has done with Christy. Or talk to both of them, or talk to Akira. In other words, an intervention. She is the only one who can do it. But it seems like Petra is out of that business. That seems to imply that she knows it is a done deal, that nothing will change. So, no hope basically. VV doesn't seem to care about our concerns at all, doesn't even respond to anyone. This communique may be our last chance to effectuate any change! Please let me know how you feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yadevol Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I agree with miscvoyeur. This is unlikely to have any effect. Please leave me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unsichtbarer Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I agree with yadevol. Leave me out pls. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natres Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I do not think it would be useful to send a message, I wrote before, I think they will not even answer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spielo Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Tallguy, unsy, cassy, jabbath, beancounter, miscvoyeur, spielo, natres, yadevol, gavrunkel and others, do you agree with me about a joint communique email to VV? I will start drafting a letter. We need to see who else is interested in joining in the email. Now, anyone can choose what they want to do depending on their response, if any, with their subscription. Just let's let VV think we may all cancel. We needn't actually do it if we don't want. It doesn't seem that anything is changing. Same old hanging out in Tver. No signs of any chemistry between Akira and Natasha. No new people. Petra hugs Natasha all the time. She could try to work on her, get her sexy like she has done with Christy. Or talk to both of them, or talk to Akira. In other words, an intervention. She is the only one who can do it. But it seems like Petra is out of that business. That seems to imply that she knows it is a done deal, that nothing will change. So, no hope basically. VV doesn't seem to care about our concerns at all, doesn't even respond to anyone. This communique may be our last chance to effectuate any change! Please let me know how you feel. Please leave me out, I am in direct contact with VV since many months almost from the beginning in may. Sometimes they are following me, sometimes not. The last information I got, was that they will have new good people after the Russian Christmas (jan 7). This I had communicated here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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