clivebb Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, stash said: shit, I just renewed my account after months because I saw things were getting spicy and they go on holiday... I'll have to wait a couple of weeks and be content with Dasha, Leora & various ex-queens... this is the lesson i have understand after some years on rlc now,never renew your suscription when there is interesting event with someone, always waiting some days after for see what's happen and if that's continue,when i see now kami/kristy left for two weeks,im really happy to have not suscribe the other night when kami have fuck with bf,i start thinking rlc create event sometime when they see the suscription fall. how many time i have see good action the first day with new couples or girls and after nothing.this is why now i stay freeloader with rlc, you pay and after some days the tenants left the project or go always in vacation,no more for me,thanks,i stay with free cams until rlc add new rules with the tenants, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanohio Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 16 minutes ago, MrBox said: Yesterday, I read the story about the sex with kami and her bf. Due to this, I spend $12 to this page (i still have no issue with that). ...:) ... I also considered to rejoin RLC. .... I did not. ... Very good. ... Because this would leave me kind of upset. Wow. 2 weeks vecation. ... Did they not just had holidays? ... Very strange. BTW, my opinion to the vacation: Visitors are "Real Life" and "Real Life" is what the customer are paying for. ... I thought that is clear and nice talking, like "There are still 13 other apartments" or "Kami's parents had every legal right to ask for the cameras to be turned off." seams to be a bit ridiculous. First, A lot of people are just interressed in a very small part of the apartments (me for example). Secondly, Someone who do not want to be seen on camera do not need to be in the apartment at all. ... Madness, I think, I will never understand this apartment and the reson for RLC to start this at all. BTW, secondly, there is a pattern: Each time kami leave for vecation she is giving some kind of event to create something like a cliffhanger. ... Even if the events are nice, why she avoid all this in the normal time? ... It is all a big show. ... Sorry, but that is what i think. ... Too bad. All I can do is shake my head. Why? Because your position is not based in reality. Period. According to you, the girls family cannot visit if they don't want to be on camera when taking a shower. According to you, if a guest wants to have sex with their spouse while visiting, they must do it in front of the camera. Why? Because you paid $45 to see everything, all the time, no matter who. Apparently, you have no concept of personal rights. These people did not sign an RLC agreement, and it is not legal to tell those that have that their parents can't visit without being filmed. Do us a favor and either get real, grow up, or keep your damn $45. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1010 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 5 minutes ago, MrBox said: Yesterday, I read the story about the sex with kami and her bf. Due to this, I spend $12 to this page (i still have no issue with that). ...:) ... I also considered to rejoin RLC. .... I did not. ... Very good. ... Because this would leave me kind of upset. Wow. 2 weeks vecation. ... Did they not just had holidays? ... Very strange. BTW, my opinion to the vacation: Visitors are "Real Life" and "Real Life" is what the customer are paying for. ... I thought that is clear and nice talking, like "There are still 13 other apartments" or "Kami's parents had every legal right to ask for the cameras to be turned off." seams to be a bit ridiculous. First, A lot of people are just interressed in a very small part of the apartments (me for example). Secondly, Someone who do not want to be seen on camera do not need to be in the apartment at all. ... Madness, I think, I will never understand this apartment and the reson for RLC to start this at all. BTW, secondly, there is a pattern: Each time kami leave for vecation she is giving some kind of event to create something like a cliffhanger. ... Even if the events are nice, why she avoid all this in the normal time? ... It is all a big show. ... Sorry, but that is what i think. ... Too bad. Mr. Box! My friend, i am surprised at what you say. Remember, they aren't our slaves! You must try to get out of the VV thinking mode. I know, I was there. I am firmly out of that mode now. Even on VV, guests do not have to be seen naked if they don't want to. You know that. They don't sign a contract. As to the conspiracy theory that this is all a "show", Kami's relationship with her bf is well documented by kitek and yury. She has been on and off with him for many months. They had sex before in his place. Now that she finally had it in her place where we could see (real life, right?), you complain? And there are 13 other apartments, right? Not a false statement, right? If you don't like it on rlc, don't join. Simple, right? As for $12 you paid. Please! Don't tell me that broke you! I won't even try to convince you that the K & K apartment is the most real apartment there is on rlc. But listen, if you want to see sex, it may not be the place for you. There is always free porn. Sorry that I had to hit you with some "cold water", pal. There is real life out there too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1010 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 3 minutes ago, alanohio said: All I can do is shake my head. Why? Because your position is not based in reality. Period. According to you, the girls family cannot visit if they don't want to be on camera when taking a shower. According to you, if a guest wants to have sex with their spouse while visiting, they must do it in front of the camera. Why? Because you paid $45 to see everything, all the time, no matter who. Apparently, you have no concept of personal rights. These people did not sign an RLC agreement, and it is not legal to tell those that have that their parents can't visit without being filmed. Do us a favor and either get real, grow up, or keep your damn $45. Alan, me too. And I know Mr. Box from our past VV days. I left VV a couple of months ago. I like the way you responded pal. You are learning that mere persuasion doesn't work with these "hooked" people. See my post above yours. Mr. Box is hooked on sex, others are hooked on a girl or two. Either way, they have the same response. These people need "cold water" splashed on their faces. But, I don't even think that will work. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanohio Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, mr1010 said: Alan, me too. And I know Mr. Box from our past VV days. I left VV a couple of months ago. I like the way you responded pal. You are learning that mere persuasion doesn't work with these "hooked" people. See my post above yours. Mr. Box is hooked on sex, others are hooked on a girl or two. Either way, they have the same response. These people need "cold water" splashed on their faces. But, I don't even think that will work. Sorry for my outburst, but it takes a lot to push my buttons, and he surpassed it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBox Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 2 minutes ago, mr1010 said: Alan, me too. And I know Mr. Box from our past VV days. I left VV a couple of months ago. I like the way you responded pal. You are learning that mere persuasion doesn't work with these "hooked" people. See my post above yours. Mr. Box is hooked on sex, others are hooked on a girl or two. Either way, they have the same response. These people need "cold water" splashed on their faces. But, I don't even think that will work. I like to see sex for sure. But I will go even further: I want to see "Real Life" and sex is only a part of it. If the parents are there, it would match the concept to let the cameras running. ... There is no: ... Oh ... A real life moment ... we need to ensure the cameras are offline ... Where is there the sense? .... That could not be the reson to join a page like "REAL LIFE CAM". 17 minutes ago, mr1010 said: ... Even on VV, guests do not have to be seen naked if they don't want to. You know that. They don't sign a contract. ... And there are 13 other apartments, right? Not a false statement, right? ... I do not want to force someone into showing something. ... If that is what my text looks to you, I have expressed myself badly. I like to think in the other way. Why this apartment is offline for guests, when all the others are still there? ... You could close at least half of the apartments when guest are a reason to switch off the cameras. RLC is for the "REAL LIFE". When they turn off the cameras every time real life is happening, they do not need this page at all. 21 minutes ago, mr1010 said: ... As for $12 you paid. Please! Don't tell me that broke you! ... No. I am very fine. :) .... No money issues at all. :) ... Even when i had spend 45$, it would not hurt me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanohio Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 17 minutes ago, MrBox said: I like to see sex for sure. But I will go even further: I want to see "Real Life" and sex is only a part of it. If the parents are there, it would match the concept to let the cameras running. ... There is no: ... Oh ... A real life moment ... we need to ensure the cameras are offline ... Where is there the sense? .... That could not be the reson to join a page like "REAL LIFE CAM". I do not want to force someone into showing something. ... If that is what my text looks to you, I have expressed myself badly. I like to think in the other way. Why this apartment is offline for guests, when all the others are still there? ... You could close at least half of the apartments when guest are a reason to switch off the cameras. RLC is for the "REAL LIFE". When they turn off the cameras every time real life is happening, they do not need this page at all. No. I am very fine. :) .... No money issues at all. :) ... Even when i had spend 45$, it would not hurt me. I think where people get hung up is this... Any apartment where there are cameras AND the tenants KNOW they are there CANNOT be real life no matter how you cut it. Sure, they go about what they do normally; eat; drink; watch tv; party; even have sex - but they DO KNOW they are being watched. If I were to agree to be a tenant, I would not expect my parents to visit and subject them to the same rules. Now, knowing that this is not really "real life" based on what I said above, we can move into what it really is... It is people agreeing to be filmed 24/7 going about their normal activities - but it does have exceptions. Let me explain. Let's assume me and my girlfriend like to get really kinky and reverse roles now and then with sex. We are contracted by RLC, we get free rent, we get food money, and maybe we get a bonus if our audience numbers increase... So we have sex in the bedroom, sometimes in the kitchen, and we try really hard to make it interesting. However, there might be times we feel "kinky", and we don't want the viewers to see us that way, so we go out to dinner, rent a room, and do our kinky stuff there. Are you starting to see the point? First, it is not scripted. It doesn't have to be. What we would perform in front of the camera is usually plenty for the audience to be happy with. Second, it's not real life because we are aware of the cameras and don't want to share our "kinky" side. Third, we have families, and this whole experience could easily backfire on us and effect friendships and family relationships. What we are watching are people willing to get naked in front of thousands to get free rent, food money, and maybe a bonus now and then. But don't think for a minute you are seeing their ENTIRE life. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1010 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 8 minutes ago, MrBox said: I like to see sex for sure. But I will go even further: I want to see "Real Life" and sex is only a part of it. If the parents are there, it would match the concept to let the cameras running. ... There is no: ... Oh ... A real life moment ... we need to ensure the cameras are offline ... Where is there the sense? .... That could not be the reson to join a page like "REAL LIFE CAM". I do not want to force someone into showing something. ... If that is what my text looks to you, I have expressed myself badly. I like to think in the other way. Why this apartment is offline for guests, when all the others are still there? ... You could close at least half of the apartments when guest are a reason to switch off the cameras. RLC is for the "REAL LIFE". When they turn off the cameras every time real life is happening, they do not need this page at all. No. I am very fine. :) .... No money issues at all. :) ... Even when i had spend 45$, it would not hurt me. OK, Mr. Box, I am glad you responded. I did think you did not express yourself well. Is English your primary language? I suspect not. I think you are starting to get it. The only thing you are now missing is that just because other apartments guests aren't always shy of the cameras, doesn't mean they all have to be the same way. BTW, you know Zoya and Lev's guest doesn't show nudity. And some of Kristy's angels did not. Not every guest at Nelly's or Dasha's have. And would you want to see Kami's parents in the nude, really? Again, the key is this: they are not our slaves! So, if we don't like that they don't show us everything we have two alternatives: stay and watch those that do show us, or leave altogether. Or I suppose we can just have some of you stay and complain to death every day and ruin it for us who do want to watch! I do not think you are in the latter category, Mr. Box. I think you are just disappointed, like i was in VV. But we need to learn to control our disappointment, to accept what we get (which is our "reality" I suppose). I look forward to talking with you more. I sense you are not like the other complainers here. Just try to see the other side too. I try to see your side. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBox Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 3 minutes ago, alanohio said: ... Any apartment where there are cameras AND the tenants KNOW they are there CANNOT be real life no matter how you cut it. Sure, they go about what they do normally; eat; drink; watch tv; party; even have sex - but they DO KNOW they are being watched. If I were to agree to be a tenant, I would not expect my parents to visit and subject them to the same rules. ... Yes. I agree. ... They tenants need to agree to the project and try to keep to have a life as normal as posible (not hiding, have friends visit, have arguments, ... ). ... Like they would do without cameras. I think, that is the idea. ... I also agree to the fact that we can not expect this from guests! ... I have no issues with guest hidding. ... But i would still like to see the apartment and the residents and do not like to see a 2 week vecation due to guests. 5 minutes ago, alanohio said: ... Are you starting to see the point? First, it is not scripted. It doesn't have to be. What we would perform in front of the camera is usually plenty for the audience to be happy with. Second, it's not real life because we are aware of the cameras and don't want to share our "kinky" side. Third, we have families, and this whole experience could easily backfire on us and effect friendships and family relationships. What we are watching are people willing to get naked in front of thousands to get free rent, food money, and maybe a bonus now and then. But don't think for a minute you are seeing their ENTIRE life. That is one of the best posts in this forum, i think. ... ... And this is exactly what I think, too. :) The difference is maybe, that i expect the residents to agree to the concenpt and try to be as "REAL Life" as posible. That is all. ... That is why i do not like to see D&D hiding, i wonder why all the girls in the barcelona apartment do not have sex at all and why K&K do have visitors for 2 weeks when they know, they need to turn off the cameras. ... Then you could perhaps use a hotel room for the overnight stay. ... I think, to go on vecation for to weeks is not very nice to the customers. Especially since there are probably people who just spent $45 because of recent events (kami and BF) and now have to wait half of the time waiting (to probably see them have there real life again somewere else, like they did before). But, I'm aware of the fact that we do not see their ENTIRE life. ... Hmm ... But, to see nothing at all .... I do not know ..... not a good idea ... i think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1010 Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 OK, guys, I have started a new thread, "Girls on vacation-why do they hate us so". Please feel free to browse, shop, and comment if you wish. I look forward to endless pages of complaints. Thank you all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBox Posted April 14, 2016 Share Posted April 14, 2016 28 minutes ago, mr1010 said: OK, Mr. Box, I am glad you responded. I did think you did not express yourself well. Is English your primary language? I suspect not. I think you are starting to get it. The only thing you are now missing is that just because other apartments guests aren't always shy of the cameras, doesn't mean they all have to be the same way. BTW, you know Zoya and Lev's guest doesn't show nudity. And some of Kristy's angels did not. Not every guest at Nelly's or Dasha's have. And would you want to see Kami's parents in the nude, really? No. Please :) ... BTW, Meine Muttersprache ist Deutsch. :) ... just use google translate ... like i need to do all the time ... ;) 29 minutes ago, mr1010 said: Again, the key is this: they are not our slaves! So, if we don't like that they don't show us everything we have two alternatives: stay and watch those that do show us, or leave altogether. Or I suppose we can just have some of you stay and complain to death every day and ruin it for us who do want to watch! I do not think you are in the latter category, Mr. Box. I think you are just disappointed, like i was in VV. But we need to learn to control our disappointment, to accept what we get (which is our "reality" I suppose). I look forward to talking with you more. I sense you are not like the other complainers here. Just try to see the other side too. I try to see your side. You are right. ... They are no slaves and that is very important for me. But this is not a real argument to my observation, because like for example a busdriver also is no slave (even if he did his job well) he still is doing his part of a agreement. ... I am sure that this also applies for K & K with there agreement with RLC. .... But, an offline apartment is like a bus not traveling. ... Both is posible and both is disliked by me. ;) BTW, I also like to talk to you. ... I consider myself not as bad and do not want to spoil the fun. ... But when i spend $ 12 it need to be possible to speak my mind, briefly. ... I'm not going to argue pointless ... at least i am not intend to do so. :) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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